And:
Just saying...........

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by Scrooge Mc Duck Company » Wed Jul 11, 2012 4:59 pm




by Condunum » Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:01 pm

by Seperates » Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:04 pm

by Seperates » Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:05 pm

by Scrooge Mc Duck Company » Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:06 pm
. Every time you win an argument with a believer (which happens almost always), he starts like: "Ohh you shouldn't have talked like that...." and staff. I'm tired of this. 

by Condunum » Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:07 pm
Seperates wrote:
Well, actually, it's not a belief. It's an observation of a sigularity (which has now been more or less confirmed by the recent discovery of the Higgs Boson) expansion of immense magnitude that can occur in any true vacuum, which thus through mindless natural processes that are akin to the formation of a snow-flake, eventually though certain conditions can become self replicating, and through another mindless process called natural selection eventually diversify and increase in complexity as the attempt to survive and create progeny in a certain enviorment.
It's the same observations and expieriments by the scientific community that brought you the internet and all other scientific advances. Living in denial about it makes you a parasite on the intellectual community.

by Condunum » Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:08 pm
Scrooge Mc Duck Company wrote:Condunum wrote:Yeah, except that sort of attitude is rarely ever respected, and you give atheists a bad name. Learn to tolerate, as many of the people who you are targeting have learned to.
Ok you now what... thats....annoying. Every time you win an argument with a believer (which happens almost always), he starts like: "Ohh you shouldn't have talked like that...." and staff. I'm tired of this.
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Learn to discuss and accept the fact that you can't have always right. And learn to stand on your feet and face the truth!
Jeez........

by Veladio » Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:10 pm
Scrooge Mc Duck Company wrote:Condunum wrote:Yeah, except that sort of attitude is rarely ever respected, and you give atheists a bad name. Learn to tolerate, as many of the people who you are targeting have learned to.
Ok you now what... thats....annoying. Every time you win an argument with a believer (which happens almost always), he starts like: "Ohh you shouldn't have talked like that...." and staff. I'm tired of this.
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Learn to discuss and accept the fact that you can't have always right. And learn to stand on your feet and face the truth!
Jeez........

by Dyakovo » Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:11 pm

by Seperates » Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:11 pm
Condunum wrote:Seperates wrote:Well, actually, it's not a belief. It's an observation of a sigularity (which has now been more or less confirmed by the recent discovery of the Higgs Boson) expansion of immense magnitude that can occur in any true vacuum, which thus through mindless natural processes that are akin to the formation of a snow-flake, eventually though certain conditions can become self replicating, and through another mindless process called natural selection eventually diversify and increase in complexity as the attempt to survive and create progeny in a certain enviorment.
It's the same observations and expieriments by the scientific community that brought you the internet and all other scientific advances. Living in denial about it makes you a parasite on the intellectual community.
Wait, you actually think I was being serious? Come on, you've got to have seen my posts on here enough to know that I'm about as religious as Big Jim.

by Condunum » Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:11 pm

by Seperates » Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:12 pm
Veladio wrote:Scrooge Mc Duck Company wrote:
Ok you now what... thats....annoying. Every time you win an argument with a believer (which happens almost always), he starts like: "Ohh you shouldn't have talked like that...." and staff. I'm tired of this.
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Learn to discuss and accept the fact that you can't have always right. And learn to stand on your feet and face the truth!
Jeez........
...sorry but just because someone has different beliefs than you does not mean you can ridicule them for it.

by Seperates » Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:14 pm
Condunum wrote:Seperates wrote:I tolerate people, but I do not tolerate bad ideas. There is a distinct difference.
The majority of Christians don't follow Evangelical Protestantism, which is what is often portrayed as Christianity on here. Are you referring to that, Christianity as a whole, or neither?

by Seperates » Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:14 pm

by Veladio » Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:17 pm

by Condunum » Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:17 pm

by Scrooge Mc Duck Company » Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:18 pm

by Condunum » Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:19 pm
Scrooge Mc Duck Company wrote:Holding a belief like that in 21 century is a direct insult to those who worked hard in some half-dark laboratories. Hence the attitude. Just because you hold a book-fairytail doesn't mean that you can judge everything.
Anyway I don't want to have a full discussion about it cause I was doing this in the age of 15. It is unimportant to me anymore.

by Veladio » Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:20 pm
Scrooge Mc Duck Company wrote:Holding a belief like that in 21 century is a direct insult to those who worked hard in some half-dark laboratories. Hence the attitude. Just because you hold a book-fairytail doesn't mean that you can judge everything.
Anyway I don't want to have a full discussion about it cause I was doing this in the age of 15. It is unimportant to me anymore.

by The Merchant Republics » Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:25 pm

by Seperates » Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:26 pm

by Seperates » Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:29 pm
The Merchant Republics wrote:
Perhaps I'm not doing any good for arguing, it seems you're very much committed to your beliefs and the idea that mine are ridiculous.
Nonetheless, look at the vastness of the universe and explain to me how we can be the only intelligent life in it?
That is to say, if you would indulge me in flipping your argument on it's head. Supposing the universe were created with us as nothing special in it. Why then have we not found a single trace of life that did not originate on this planet?
The sheer scale, akin to the idea that some 100^100 gamblers roll their dice 100 times and only a single one rolls 1 despite billions of years.
I don't love to use the Fermi paradox, because I don't really think alien life and Christianity are mutually exclusive, but it poses serious questions to the person who presupposes an uncaused, unpurposed universe.
EDIT: To make this more thread applicable.
Let me generalize the question. Suppose Earth was found to be the only planet in the entire universe that held life, how would it change your beliefs about the universe?

by Veladio » Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:29 pm
Seperates wrote:Condunum wrote:That really doesn't change much. If it doesn't impede progress (and mainstream christianity rarely, if ever, does), what need is there to prove it "silly" other than some sort of self-gratification?
What are you talking about? Have you seen the state of the U.S. Republican and Democratic Parties? Political use of christianity activly impedes onto the social progress and the policy of our government. The entire false idea of "trickle-down theory" that the Republicans base their tax models off of assumes that the rich are 'good philanthropic Christians', which is not true in practice. It promotes ill creation of ideas, gullibility and dampens discourse. It is only when religion ceases being moralistic and becomes secular that it actually does good, with secular colleges and aid-giving agencies. But the fact of the matter is that by that time it is already a secular organization, so why not just drop the pre-tense of religion altogether?

by Scrooge Mc Duck Company » Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:29 pm

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