All Y’all Atheists.

[Genivaria]

You should stand up for your principles and refuse to go to the Principal's office if you refuse to stand up.

I think I love you.

I'm Genivaria the real Genivaria all you other Genivaria's are just imitatinga, so will the real Genivaria please stand up? Please stand up? Please stand up?

[Hallistar]

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Thanks Mavorpen.

Oh please, science will never be able to provide all of the answers, and you're kidding yourself if you think it will. Faith isn't "scientific ignorance", it's simply another way of searching for truth.

The unfalsifiable is not a valid means of searching for the "truth", especially when you think you know the One True Set™ of unfalsifiable Beliefs®. Science is the only reliable way, as it is falsifiable, verifiable, free of confusion and within the hard sciences there is only one output to an input.

[Greater Shoggothia]

No they're not. They're doing exactly what their holy books are telling them to do. Thats not extremism.

The holy books are against murder. Well the Bible is. I am not sure about the other books

Do you want me to cite scripture? I can you know. God commands murder many times.

[Orcoa]

Wait, really? I thought he was a war god.

They're all war gods. That's the best part of Norse Mythology.

Even the Goddesses....they will rip your balls off if you cross them

[Caninope]

No. Ignorance is lack of knowledge. There are some things for which we must have proof, because there's no knowledge (or perhaps, no way of knowing anything) on the topic.

Take the Higgs Boson. Until recently, it would be fair to say that most scientists believed/had faith that such a boson existed. Until very recently, there was nothing concrete to support the idea of a Boson, only mathematical support (but that's hardly a guarantee of anything). In fact, we found very little evidence for the Higgs Boson initially, IIRC.

Having faith isn't a bad thing. Faith in a shared community is what makes a nation for instance.

Of course, but having unquestioning faith in anything is usually a bad thing.

I think that questioning your faith should actually lead to even better beliefs, religious or otherwise. A Hegelian dialectic sort of deal.

[Seperates]

Thanks Mavorpen.

Oh please, science will never be able to provide all of the answers, and you're kidding yourself if you think it will. Faith isn't "scientific ignorance", it's simply another way of searching for truth.

Really? Can you prove that statment? Philisophy is the only way to search for truth. Science is Natural Philisophy, and every other methology is more or less a derivitive. Theological Philisophy was professionally abandoned long ago as anything other than a way to study the manifestation and history of the concept itself, not a way to persue actual knowledge.

If religion were such a good way to persue knowledge, why is it still struggling for concrete answers to the same questions were asked in Voltaire's time? Science has moved far beyond that, and will countinue to move farther. We will eventually discern all of reality. But there will still be refuge for diety in the minds of the unrealistic.

[The Orson Empire]

Oh please, science will never be able to provide all of the answers, and you're kidding yourself if you think it will. Faith isn't "scientific ignorance", it's simply another way of searching for truth.

The unfalsifiable is not a valid means of searching for the "truth", especially when you think you know the One True Set™ of unfalsifiable Beliefs®. Science is the only reliable way, as it is falsifiable, verifiable, free of confusion and within the hard sciences there is only one output to an input.

Science isn't the only reliable way. Religion can explain a few things also. It has already explained it from beginning to end.

[Gordonisia]

Oh please, science will never be able to provide all of the answers, and you're kidding yourself if you think it will. Faith isn't "scientific ignorance", it's simply another way of searching for truth.

If you call announcing that you have the truth and then refusing to change your mind, "searching," then I don't even know where to begin.

I don't recall claiming to have the truth (if I did then I guess I misspoke), but I do claim to have the right way to the truth.

Just to be clear, I hold no animosity for any non-Christians (atheists, Jews, witch-doctors, whatever).
And Silvacian is right, this is a pointless argument. I won't make you change your beliefs (I can relate to them) and you can't change mine, so I'm just going to drop it.

[Hallistar]

Shouldn't the OT still be in force?

No. You see, the OT laws were given to the nation of Israel, not Christians. Seeing how I'm a Gentile, they wouldn't apply to me anyways. However, there's also the issue that whenever Jesus redeemed the world through his sacrifice, Christians believed that he broke the old covenant to form a new covenant with everyone (not just Jews).

Here's a general overview, and a few verses may be found here.

My beautiful spoilered quotes

Shouldn't the OT still be in force?

Malachi 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

James 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.


Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.


Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.


John 10:35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;


Matthew 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.[/b]

Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Romans 15:4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.

Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

2nd Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

James 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

2nd Peter 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

2nd Peter 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

Even if he revealed it to the Israelites or whomever, why doesn't it apply to us as well? Why do they have to follow everything, OT and NT?

[Divair]

Don't know much about Norse mythology, but I value wisdom and knowledge more then battle, got a god for me?

iirc, knowledge is still valued in Norse Paganism. I think Odin is the more knowledge oriented one, though. There's also Mimir, Snotra, and Vor.

In case you missed it, Genivaria.

[Greater Shoggothia]

The unfalsifiable is not a valid means of searching for the "truth", especially when you think you know the One True Set™ of unfalsifiable Beliefs®. Science is the only reliable way, as it is falsifiable, verifiable, free of confusion and within the hard sciences there is only one output to an input.

Science isn't the only reliable way. Religion can explain a few things also. It has already explained it from beginning to end.

But its explanations are demonstrably wrong, and at this point you're sounding increasingly deranged.

[Silent Majority]

It's a good thing I didn't call faith science. I said instead that faith fills the void of what we don't know, or can't know. That doesn't necessarily mean that faith is ignorance.

Do we really need this void filled? Is it that hard to accept that we don't know somethings, and that we maybe never will?

[Seperates]

You don't lose 'God' by being neutral. Infact a bunch of people believe in god but think that he has better things to do than waste time with us (aka Deists).

Lack of outward active faith in the unfalsifiable does not mean the belief in the lack thereof.

Waste time? We are supposed to pray all the time, so how is that wasting time? I shall always have faith in Him

Go build a home for a homeless man. Invest your time into something that actually produces fruits. Unless you are just content with wasting time, as I sometimes am. But if you are really trying to help, do good works instead of praying.

[Veladio]

No they're not. They're doing exactly what their holy books are telling them to do. Thats not extremism.

The holy books are against murder. Well the Bible is. I am not sure about the other books

I know my book of shadows doesn't have any "kill" spell...that would be black magic

[Zanzibarnia]

Thanks Mavorpen.

Oh please, science will never be able to provide all of the answers, and you're kidding yourself if you think it will. Faith isn't "scientific ignorance", it's simply another way of searching for truth.

Completely against the point.

Science has effectively explained countless phenomena previously ascribed to God. In every instance of the previously unexplained becoming explained by falsifiable methods, the pool of unexplainable phenomena shrinks, effectively leaving smaller and smaller pockets of the 'unknown' for God to hide in.

[Hallistar]

The unfalsifiable is not a valid means of searching for the "truth", especially when you think you know the One True Set™ of unfalsifiable Beliefs®. Science is the only reliable way, as it is falsifiable, verifiable, free of confusion and within the hard sciences there is only one output to an input.

Science isn't the only reliable way. Religion can explain a few things also. It has already explained it from beginning to end.

Considering that a great deal of religious explanations for events in the Bible are considered Metaphors by a bunch of Christians on here, how do you know to understand it exactly?

[The Orson Empire]

Waste time? We are supposed to pray all the time, so how is that wasting time? I shall always have faith in Him

Go build a home for a homeless man. Invest your time into something that actually produces fruits. Unless you are just content with wasting time, as I sometimes am. But if you are really trying to help, do good works instead of praying.

Praying is not a waste of time. If anything, it motivates you to get out there and help, thus making praying efficient.

[Orcoa]

Waste time? We are supposed to pray all the time, so how is that wasting time? I shall always have faith in Him

Go build a home for a homeless man. Invest your time into something that actually produces fruits. Unless you are just content with wasting time, as I sometimes am. But if you are really trying to help, do good works instead of praying.

Or do both, Such as the many other man and woman of faith have done. They do good works such as feed and help the homeless, help the community at large, and do what needs to be done while in your spare time pray to God.

[Genivaria]

No they're not. They're doing exactly what their holy books are telling them to do. Thats not extremism.

The holy books are against murder. Well the Bible is. I am not sure about the other books

How sad is it that some atheists on the internet know more about your religion then you do.

And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain. Deuteronomy 2:34
And we utterly destroyed them, ... utterly destroying the men, women, and children, of every city. Deuteronomy 3:6
And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them. Deuteronomy 7:2
And thou shalt consume all the people which the LORD thy God shall deliver thee; thine eye shall have no pity upon them. Deuteronomy 7:16
Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword. Deuteronomy 13:15
And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword. Joshua 6:21

[Seperates]

The unfalsifiable is not a valid means of searching for the "truth", especially when you think you know the One True Set™ of unfalsifiable Beliefs®. Science is the only reliable way, as it is falsifiable, verifiable, free of confusion and within the hard sciences there is only one output to an input.

Science isn't the only reliable way. Religion can explain a few things also. It has already explained it from beginning to end.

No it hasn't. And it's actually pitiable that you think it has...

[The Orson Empire]

Science isn't the only reliable way. Religion can explain a few things also. It has already explained it from beginning to end.

Considering that a great deal of religious explanations for events in the Bible are considered Metaphors by a bunch of Christians on here, how do you know to understand it exactly?

Because I just know. If I don't understand something in the Bible, I pray to God to help me understand it, and He helps me

[Seperates]

Go build a home for a homeless man. Invest your time into something that actually produces fruits. Unless you are just content with wasting time, as I sometimes am. But if you are really trying to help, do good works instead of praying.

Praying is not a waste of time. If anything, it motivates you to get out there and help, thus making praying efficient.

I just go out and do it. No sense in wasting daylight.

[Orcoa]

The holy books are against murder. Well the Bible is. I am not sure about the other books

I know my book of shadows doesn't have any "kill" spell...that would be black magic

Dirty Black Mage!

You have violated the Laws of Magic for to long! Prepare for a duel!

(Gets out my wizard hat and staff)

[Divair]

Considering that a great deal of religious explanations for events in the Bible are considered Metaphors by a bunch of Christians on here, how do you know to understand it exactly?

Because I just know. If I don't understand something in the Bible, I pray to God to help me understand it, and He helps me

So you hear voices in your head?

Might wanna get that checked out.

[Genivaria]

iirc, knowledge is still valued in Norse Paganism. I think Odin is the more knowledge oriented one, though. There's also Mimir, Snotra, and Vor.

In case you missed it, Genivaria.

Sorry Divair, I was busy quoting Bible verses.
And thank you. Now ahem, about the Norse's technology. Thats gonna need a few tweaks.