All Y’all Atheists.

[Divair]

How can a site not be credible if it says it is credible?

Same logic.

I truly believe the Bible explains how everything was created.

And you can "truly believe" whatever you want. Thankfully, the world doesn't change based on your belief.

[Caninope]

You would be wrong. Light was created on the 1st day, but the stars and two great bodies (presumably the Sun and the Moon) were created on the 4th day.

lrn2bible

Wouldn't that mean they are of the same age? (Genesis 1:16) "And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also."

No. Light was created in Genesis 1:3.

[Greater Shoggothia]

So you admit to being fundamentally close minded, and intolerant of other ideas.

This is the point at which any possibility of a rational conversation stops, because you've essentially stuck your fingers in your ears and gone, "lalalalala."

But enjoy living in ignorance if it pleases you.

Not that far. What I meant was I do believe in evolution up to a certain degree.

I don't care to what degree you believe in evolution, you just said "I only believe what the Bible says." That is a statement of willful close-mindedness and intellectual dishonesty.

[Wamitoria]

How can a site not be credible if it says it is credible?

Same logic.

I truly believe the Bible explains how everything was created.

Why does it not include information on the Higgs-Boson?

[Dyakovo]

How can a site not be credible if it says it is credible?

Same logic.

I truly believe the Bible explains how everything was created.

You "truly believe" lies.

[Hallistar]

We aren't talking about Genesis. We are talking about facts. They did not exist, that is a scientific and historical fact.

I only believe what the Bible says.

Agreed, and I only believe what our great lizard overlord in the book of Xthulu told us as well. Until science can disprove Xthulu's power, the book was his holy word and I might as well believe what he says about our upcoming intergalactic battle with the Benuzians.

Why don't these people understand that I'm simply doing what Xthulu told me?

[The Orson Empire]

Lies? I don't think so. How can it lies if it has commandments that are against lying?

Because the people who wrote it were hypocrites.

But the Bible speaks out against hypocrites also. Even still, I believe it is true.

[Greater Shoggothia]

Why stop there?

I bet we can find a pair of flatworms we're all descended from if we go back far enough.

I gave you three possibilities pointing out that science has not ruled out the existence of Adam and Eve, depending on how literally and liberally we want to interpret the story.

But that's sort of the problem. When all you've got is "science has not ruled out..." then your religion is an ever-retreating bubble of scientific ignorance.

[Caninope]

Not necessarily. While the biologically Adam and Eve were thousands of years apart, that doesn't preclude there being an earlier pair (the genome seems to indicate several convergences going back thousands of years), Adam's mythical first wife (Lilith), or Adam and Eve being a Stone Age pair that's not necessarily the source of all humans, but definitely the ancestors of all humans.

But that is not the way evolution and genetics works. There were probably several sources of evolution within the species of homo erectus (or even more inbetween stages). And the evidence goes to pointing the species of homo sapeins specifically emerging from Africa, not "Eden", wherever it is supposed to be. There is no defined transition where we can point and say, "Oh, there it is."

Whatever did I say that goes against genetics? I suggested three alternate theories:

1. That Adam and Eve were actually older than the most recent bottleneck
2a. That Adam and Eve weren't the only ones around.
2b. Adam and Eve were actually part of a group in one of the cradles of humanity, and are the ancestors of all human, but like I said, they aren't the only ancestors.

[Greater Shoggothia]

But that is not the way evolution and genetics works. There were probably several sources of evolution within the species of homo erectus (or even more inbetween stages). And the evidence goes to pointing the species of homo sapeins specifically emerging from Africa, not "Eden", wherever it is supposed to be. There is no defined transition where we can point and say, "Oh, there it is."

Eden was in Northern Africa, around that area.

That's a huge area. Also, prove it.

[The Orson Empire]

I truly believe the Bible explains how everything was created.

You "truly believe" lies.

No, I believe the truth. Why would anyone even spend time contributing to the Bible if it wasn't true?

[Venus Orange]

To answer the OP, I am from Kentucky.

And before someone again quotes me whilst referring to me as a him, I'm a girl. Get it? Okay, now that that's out of the way...

I came out of the atheism closet at fifteen. It's hard to believe it's been seven years, really. My parents are fundamentalists of the worst sort, Pentecostal/Baptist mix, and my father is a preacher, a pastor, a gospel singer, formerly a major televangelist reaching about a million people a week. They would always include me in on their Christianity circle-jerks by proclaiming "we are Christians in this household!" First, of course, they declared I needed to go to church more often. Next, the denial started, "there's no way my child is an atheist!" Finally, some bizarre acceptance. Acceptance, whilst still trying to get me into their clique in any way they could - my first job was working a camera at one of the churches they attended to. (Unbeknownst to them, I showed up every time really stoned and just listened to music while moving the camera around... usually Napalm Death or Megadeth. Praise je to Besus!)

I learned later it was a ploy, they thought I would convert being in church. Instead, it made my dislike of religion increase, as I saw all the helpless and hopeless people who, in their desperation, put their last dollars in the offering plate, thinking the pastors and preachers would use their money to spread the good news and also benefit their lives in some way. It was sad, and maddening, such sadness and anger every time a poor person put in their last bit of money with their children watching close by, looking at the money longingly, having barely clothes on their back, often with rips, tears, and stains, as if they had just escaped the wilderness.

Thankfully, most of the youth around this area tends to be of the more atheistic and agnostic varieties, and the Christians amongst them are often more Liberal Christians, being pro-gay marriage, pro-legalization, things of that sort.

The most marked and profound annoyance being atheist has caused unto me was somewhat my own doing: I started a grindcore band with elements of doom metal and black metal. With such gleefully appropriate titles as 'Holy Week', we could not get gigs, although we had a decent bit of local and national attention. A newspaper also ran a story claiming me to be a lesbian (half true) transgendered (true) atheist (true) communist (not true at that time, true now) amoral (true) heathen (here I must draw the line and detest that declaration).

[Mavorpen]

I gave you three possibilities pointing out that science has not ruled out the existence of Adam and Eve, depending on how literally and liberally we want to interpret the story.

But that's sort of the problem. When all you've got is "science has not ruled out..." then your religion is an ever-retreating bubble of scientific ignorance.

[Caninope]

I gave you three possibilities pointing out that science has not ruled out the existence of Adam and Eve, depending on how literally and liberally we want to interpret the story.

But that's sort of the problem. When all you've got is "science has not ruled out..." then your religion is an ever-retreating bubble of scientific ignorance.

The point of faith is to fill the void that cannot be filled by proof.

[Divair]

You "truly believe" lies.

No, I believe the truth. Why would anyone even spend time contributing to the Bible if it wasn't true?

Replace bible with any holy book/guide.

Now what? All religions are true?

[Greater Shoggothia]

You "truly believe" lies.

No, I believe the truth. Why would anyone even spend time contributing to the Bible if it wasn't true?

Koran. Avesta. Book of Mormon. Bhagavad Gita. I can go on.

[Mavorpen]

You "truly believe" lies.

No, I believe the truth. Why would anyone even spend time contributing to the Bible if it wasn't true?

Using this logic, Muslims, Jews, Hindus, Jains, etc. are all correct because they put in the time and effort into their religions.

[Zanzibarnia]

I'm not sure where the light came from. I'd assume the Big Bang. It's as good a guess as any other.

And like I said, I don't need the exact order of creation to be perfect in Genesis. My faith doesn't require that I take every word of the Bible as literal as possible. In fact, as far as I'm concerned, I can basically through out the Old Testament. My religion and my faith in God requires that I follow Christ's teachings, and accept him as my redeemer and savior.

Then why not just do exactly that and throw out the Old Testament instead of trying to defend its fundamental aspects with untenable reasoning?

[Greater Shoggothia]

But that's sort of the problem. When all you've got is "science has not ruled out..." then your religion is an ever-retreating bubble of scientific ignorance.

Damn, If only I had known he had two memes...

[Mavorpen]

But that's sort of the problem. When all you've got is "science has not ruled out..." then your religion is an ever-retreating bubble of scientific ignorance.

The point of faith is to fill the void that cannot be filled by proof.

No, it's to convince ourselves that we're right, even when we're wrong.

[Hallistar]

You "truly believe" lies.

No, I believe the truth. Why would anyone even spend time contributing to the Bible if it wasn't true?

Exactly. Why would the Great Lord Xthulu bother warning us mortals of the Benuzians if it wasn't true?

Atheists who just don't understand that boggle my mind. Science hasn't ruled out his existence, isn't that the point of having faith in his book?

[Madoka Kaname]

But that's sort of the problem. When all you've got is "science has not ruled out..." then your religion is an ever-retreating bubble of scientific ignorance.

The point of faith is to fill the void that cannot be filled by proof.

Which is ignorance if you are to interpret science liberally like that.

[Caninope]

I'm not sure where the light came from. I'd assume the Big Bang. It's as good a guess as any other.

And like I said, I don't need the exact order of creation to be perfect in Genesis. My faith doesn't require that I take every word of the Bible as literal as possible. In fact, as far as I'm concerned, I can basically through out the Old Testament. My religion and my faith in God requires that I follow Christ's teachings, and accept him as my redeemer and savior.

Then why not just do exactly that and throw out the Old Testament instead of trying to defend its fundamental aspects with untenable reasoning?

I'm not trying to defend it. Seperates made a false statement, and I called him on it. See here. Not all light obviously comes from the Sun.

Now, you then made a false statement here, and I called you on it.

Now stop getting so aggressive.

[The Orson Empire]

The point of faith is to fill the void that cannot be filled by proof.

No, it's to convince ourselves that we're right, even when we're wrong.

Faith is evidence not seen and the substance of all things hoped for. In order to have faith, you must have hope and pray.

[Seperates]

So they were created at the same time then?

After the earth?

So where did the light come from?

lrn2consistency

I'm not sure where the light came from. I'd assume the Big Bang. It's as good a guess as any other.

And like I said, I don't need the exact order of creation to be perfect in Genesis. My faith doesn't require that I take every word of the Bible as literal as possible. In fact, as far as I'm concerned, I can basically through out the Old Testament. My religion and my faith in God requires that I follow Christ's teachings, and accept him as my redeemer and savior.

Light comes from the sun and other stars, or electromagnetic currents and lightbulbs... I mean really. I guess you could argue that the energy for the nuclear fission and fusion of hydrogen and helium, which creates stellar light, came from the Great Expansion (there being no oxygen to create a meduim for an explosion, it was a lawyer's nickname, why physicists still use it is beyond me) but you would be grasping for straws.

The simple fact is that you can't have light before stars (including the sun). You just can't. The Great Expansion itself created no light. It created a hell of alot of energy, but no actual light as we would percieve it. In essence the light and the dark would be one in the same.

Your religion and faith are based on the illogies of priests and shepards who didn't understand even the most basic of scientific principles and observation. You may be content in your faith, but that means that you are content with ignorance.