All Y’all Atheists.

[Caninope]

In religion, I believe Adam and Eve did exist. However there is still much I need to learn about the Bible, but i know much of the basics. Because they were tempted by Satan, evil was created

No, they literally never existed. Evolution proves that to be completely incorrect.

Not necessarily. While the biologically Adam and Eve were thousands of years apart, that doesn't preclude there being an earlier pair (the genome seems to indicate several convergences going back thousands of years), Adam's mythical first wife (Lilith), or Adam and Eve being a Stone Age pair that's not necessarily the source of all humans, but definitely the ancestors of all humans.

[Greater Shoggothia]

Adam and Eve never existed. Their use in the Bible is specifically intended to establish the canon relationship between humanity and Satan according to the Christian Bible.

Should I even bother telling him that Satan originally meant "the enemy" and only became a specific person when the Romans took over Christianity?

Well from what I was taught, Adam and Eve did exist and they were the first Humans. The evidence is all over Genesis

The actual evidence, which is to say the stuff that is demonstrable and defensible, says otherwise.

[Seperates]

Wanna talk about atheism- lets talk about nudity, boys/girls kissing (ok), girls/girls kissing (HOT!), boys/boys kissing (NOT!)- these are things Atheism is made of.

Ask a scholar of Nietzscheism and they will tell you- living in a hyperindustrialized world, life is anything BUT religious and those seeking religion are simply fooling themselves....


just don't tell my girlfriend that!......

Hey, you there. Bugger off.

[Zanzibarnia]

Genesis, I believe, states that God created the rest of the stars after the sun. Hence, false.

You would be wrong. Light was created on the 1st day, but the stars and two great bodies (presumably the Sun and the Moon) were created on the 4th day.

lrn2bible

So they were created at the same time then?

After the earth?

So where did the light come from?

lrn2consistency

[Hallistar]

And 'God' planned for it all to happen, thus 'God' is evil.

Why are you putting God in quotes?

Why would you put the great lizard overlord Xthulu (Bless his holiness) in quotes?

[Greater Shoggothia]

No, they literally never existed. Evolution proves that to be completely incorrect.

Not necessarily. While the biologically Adam and Eve were thousands of years apart, that doesn't preclude there being an earlier pair (the genome seems to indicate several convergences going back thousands of years), Adam's mythical first wife (Lilith), or Adam and Eve being a Stone Age pair that's not necessarily the source of all humans, but definitely the ancestors of all humans.

Why stop there?

I bet we can find a pair of flatworms we're all descended from if we go back far enough.

[Dyakovo]

Wanna talk about atheism- lets talk about nudity, boys/girls kissing (ok), girls/girls kissing (HOT!), boys/boys kissing (NOT!)- these are things Atheism is made of.

None of those things have anything to do with atheism.

[The Orson Empire]

Well from what I was taught, Adam and Eve did exist and they were the first Humans. The evidence is all over Genesis

We aren't talking about Genesis. We are talking about facts. They did not exist, that is a scientific and historical fact.

I only believe what the Bible says.

[Wamitoria]

And 'God' planned for it all to happen, thus 'God' is evil.

Why are you putting God in quotes?

Because god as described in the Bible probably doesn't exist. I do believe that an omnipotent being does exist in the Universe, I just severely doubt that they are even actively involved in the goings on of earth, let alone actively involved with individual human lives.

[Caninope]

You would be wrong. Light was created on the 1st day, but the stars and two great bodies (presumably the Sun and the Moon) were created on the 4th day.

lrn2bible

So they were created at the same time then?

After the earth?

So where did the light come from?

lrn2consistency

I'm not sure where the light came from. I'd assume the Big Bang. It's as good a guess as any other.

And like I said, I don't need the exact order of creation to be perfect in Genesis. My faith doesn't require that I take every word of the Bible as literal as possible. In fact, as far as I'm concerned, I can basically through out the Old Testament. My religion and my faith in God requires that I follow Christ's teachings, and accept him as my redeemer and savior.

[Dyakovo]

Adam and Eve never existed. Their use in the Bible is specifically intended to establish the canon relationship between humanity and Satan according to the Christian Bible.

Should I even bother telling him that Satan originally meant "the enemy" and only became a specific person when the Romans took over Christianity?

Well from what I was taught, Adam and Eve did exist and they were the first Humans. The evidence is all over Genesis

The bible is nothing but lies.

[Dyakovo]

And 'God' planned for it all to happen, thus 'God' is evil.

Why are you putting God in quotes?

Because the available evidence indicates that he is not real.

[Caninope]

Not necessarily. While the biologically Adam and Eve were thousands of years apart, that doesn't preclude there being an earlier pair (the genome seems to indicate several convergences going back thousands of years), Adam's mythical first wife (Lilith), or Adam and Eve being a Stone Age pair that's not necessarily the source of all humans, but definitely the ancestors of all humans.

Why stop there?

I bet we can find a pair of flatworms we're all descended from if we go back far enough.

I gave you three possibilities pointing out that science has not ruled out the existence of Adam and Eve, depending on how literally and liberally we want to interpret the story.

[Greater Shoggothia]

We aren't talking about Genesis. We are talking about facts. They did not exist, that is a scientific and historical fact.

I only believe what the Bible says. I don't really even believe in evolution

So you admit to being fundamentally close minded, and intolerant of other ideas.

This is the point at which any possibility of a rational conversation stops, because you've essentially stuck your fingers in your ears and gone, "lalalalala."

But enjoy living in ignorance if it pleases you.

[The Orson Empire]

Well from what I was taught, Adam and Eve did exist and they were the first Humans. The evidence is all over Genesis

The bible is nothing but lies.

Lies? I don't think so. How can it lies if it has commandments that are against lying?

[Wamitoria]

We aren't talking about Genesis. We are talking about facts. They did not exist, that is a scientific and historical fact.

I only believe what the Bible says. I don't really even believe in evolution

Why? It's easier to understand the whole "Adam and Eve" thing as a foundation myth that propagated the ideas that the Catholic Church wanted instilled in its congregants.

You can believe in God and evolution at the same time, I do. Then again, I'm not a Christian nor am I an example of your usual theist.

[Divair]

The bible is nothing but lies.

Lies? I don't think so. How can it lies if it has commandments that are against lying?

How can a site not be credible if it says it is credible?

Same logic.

[The Orson Empire]

I only believe what the Bible says. I don't really even believe in evolution

So you admit to being fundamentally close minded, and intolerant of other ideas.

This is the point at which any possibility of a rational conversation stops, because you've essentially stuck your fingers in your ears and gone, "lalalalala."

But enjoy living in ignorance if it pleases you.

Not that far. What I meant was I do believe in evolution up to a certain degree.

[Greater Shoggothia]

The bible is nothing but lies.

Lies? I don't think so. How can it lies if it has commandments that are against lying?

Methinks he misspoke, he meant to say "lies and contradictions."

[Hallistar]

Genesis, I believe, states that God created the rest of the stars after the sun. Hence, false.

You would be wrong. Light was created on the 1st day, but the stars and two great bodies (presumably the Sun and the Moon) were created on the 4th day.

lrn2bible

Wouldn't that mean they are of the same age? (Genesis 1:16) "And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also."

[Seperates]

No, they literally never existed. Evolution proves that to be completely incorrect.

Not necessarily. While the biologically Adam and Eve were thousands of years apart, that doesn't preclude there being an earlier pair (the genome seems to indicate several convergences going back thousands of years), Adam's mythical first wife (Lilith), or Adam and Eve being a Stone Age pair that's not necessarily the source of all humans, but definitely the ancestors of all humans.

But that is not the way evolution and genetics works. There were probably several sources of evolution within the species of homo erectus (or even more inbetween stages). And the evidence goes to pointing the species of homo sapeins specifically emerging from Africa, not "Eden", wherever it is supposed to be. There is no defined transition where we can point and say, "Oh, there it is."

[Wamitoria]

The bible is nothing but lies.

Lies? I don't think so. How can it lies if it has commandments that are against lying?

Because the vast majority of books written after the death of Jesus were written by people with a clear advantage to be gained from lying.

[The Orson Empire]

Lies? I don't think so. How can it lies if it has commandments that are against lying?

How can a site not be credible if it says it is credible?

Same logic.

I truly believe the Bible explains how everything was created.

[Dyakovo]

The bible is nothing but lies.

Lies? I don't think so. How can it lies if it has commandments that are against lying?

Because the people who wrote it were hypocrites.

[The Orson Empire]

Not necessarily. While the biologically Adam and Eve were thousands of years apart, that doesn't preclude there being an earlier pair (the genome seems to indicate several convergences going back thousands of years), Adam's mythical first wife (Lilith), or Adam and Eve being a Stone Age pair that's not necessarily the source of all humans, but definitely the ancestors of all humans.

But that is not the way evolution and genetics works. There were probably several sources of evolution within the species of homo erectus (or even more inbetween stages). And the evidence goes to pointing the species of homo sapeins specifically emerging from Africa, not "Eden", wherever it is supposed to be. There is no defined transition where we can point and say, "Oh, there it is."

Eden was in Northern Africa, around that area.