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Postby Caninope » Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:36 pm

Seperates wrote:
The Orson Empire wrote:It's just the way things are. It's not time for the end of the world yet.

Really? Based on ONE book that can't even get something as basic as light coming from the sun right? (Read Genesis, you'll notice that light comes before the sun, which is false on even a metaphorical level)

This isn't false. It's perfectly reasonable to assume there was light before the sun. After all, our sun is under 5 billion years old, and this star is 13.2 billion years old.
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Me wrote:Just don't. It'll get you a whole lot further in life if you come to realize you're not the smartest guy in the room, even if you probably are.

Because Caninope may be in that room with you.
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Postby Wamitoria » Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:36 pm

The Orson Empire wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:So since Satan is a bad person because he created evil, then 'God' is also a bad person since he indirectly created evil.

Look, before Adam and Eve, there was no evil. But when they disobeyed God, evil was created. That is when the universe started dieing

Adam and Eve never existed. Their use in the Bible is specifically intended to establish the canon relationship between humanity and Satan according to the Christian Bible.

Should I even bother telling him that Satan originally meant "the enemy" and only became a specific person when the Romans took over Christianity?
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Postby Rocotia » Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:36 pm

Genivaria wrote:This thread seems pointless.

:) Good, I'm not the only one.
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Postby Caninope » Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:37 pm

Dyakovo wrote:
The Orson Empire wrote:Look, before Adam and Eve, there was no evil. But when they disobeyed God, evil was created. That is when the universe started dieing

And 'God' planned for it all to happen, thus 'God' is evil.

Is someone evil for the lack of action?
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Agritum wrote:Arg, Caninope is Captain America under disguise. Everyone knows it.
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Me wrote:Just don't. It'll get you a whole lot further in life if you come to realize you're not the smartest guy in the room, even if you probably are.

Because Caninope may be in that room with you.
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Postby Wamitoria » Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:37 pm

Caninope wrote:
Seperates wrote:Really? Based on ONE book that can't even get something as basic as light coming from the sun right? (Read Genesis, you'll notice that light comes before the sun, which is false on even a metaphorical level)

This isn't false. It's perfectly reasonable to assume there was light before the sun. After all, our sun is under 5 billion years old, and this star is 13.2 billion years old.

However, earth did not come before the Sun.
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Postby The Orson Empire » Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:37 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
The Orson Empire wrote:Look, before Adam and Eve, there was no evil. But when they disobeyed God, evil was created. That is when the universe started dieing

Adam and Eve didn't exist. Your entire religion falls apart.

In religion, I believe Adam and Eve did exist. However there is still much I need to learn about the Bible, but i know much of the basics. Because they were tempted by Satan, evil was created

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Postby Mavorpen » Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:38 pm

The Orson Empire wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:Adam and Eve didn't exist. Your entire religion falls apart.

In religion, I believe Adam and Eve did exist. However there is still much I need to learn about the Bible, but i know much of the basics. Because they were tempted by Satan, evil was created


No, they literally never existed. Evolution proves that to be completely incorrect.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:38 pm

Caninope wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:And 'God' planned for it all to happen, thus 'God' is evil.

Is someone evil for the lack of action?


With great power comes great responsibility, so yes.
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Postby Wamitoria » Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:38 pm

The Orson Empire wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:Adam and Eve didn't exist. Your entire religion falls apart.

In religion, I believe Adam and Eve did exist. However there is still much I need to learn about the Bible, but i know much of the basics. Because they were tempted by Satan, evil was created

Speaking of which, there is something Orwellian about having the creation of evil coincide with humanity's discovery of how to learn.
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Postby Zanzibarnia » Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:39 pm

Caninope wrote:
Seperates wrote:Really? Based on ONE book that can't even get something as basic as light coming from the sun right? (Read Genesis, you'll notice that light comes before the sun, which is false on even a metaphorical level)

This isn't false. It's perfectly reasonable to assume there was light before the sun. After all, our sun is under 5 billion years old, and this star is 13.2 billion years old.


Genesis, I believe, states that God created the rest of the stars after the sun. Hence, false.

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Postby Hallistar » Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:40 pm

The Orson Empire wrote:
Greater Shoggothia wrote:I think we've broken him. He's gone into baseless assertion mode.

I have a base. It explains it all in Revelation in the Bible. What I am saying came straight from the Bible. Also, all of the people who didn't make it in the rapture are going to be judged by God himself


I also hate how all of these people aren't willing to listen to the truth, you know? I'm just trying to warn them about our great alien lizard overlord Xthulu and the upcoming attack by the Benoozians, and how we must prepare so that we will be saved and reappear in intergalactic heaven. I'm just telling it how it is, I'm not trying to convert anyone I'm just telling the truth. They need to read the Book of Xthulu, using mere mortals who attempted to transcribe the words of Xthulu as best they could.
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Postby Caninope » Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:40 pm

Wamitoria wrote:
Caninope wrote:This isn't false. It's perfectly reasonable to assume there was light before the sun. After all, our sun is under 5 billion years old, and this star is 13.2 billion years old.

However, earth did not come before the Sun.

Fair enough. The Bible was written by fallible human beings transcribing the work of God.

I'm just pointing out that Seperates was raising a silly point.
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Agritum wrote:Arg, Caninope is Captain America under disguise. Everyone knows it.
Frisivisia wrote:
Me wrote:Just don't. It'll get you a whole lot further in life if you come to realize you're not the smartest guy in the room, even if you probably are.

Because Caninope may be in that room with you.
Nightkill the Emperor wrote:Thankfully, we have you and EM to guide us to wisdom and truth, holy one. :p
Norstal wrote:What I am saying of course is that we should clone Caninope.

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Postby Greater Shoggothia » Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:41 pm

The Orson Empire wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:Adam and Eve didn't exist. Your entire religion falls apart.

In religion, I believe Adam and Eve did exist. However there is still much I need to learn about the Bible, but i know much of the basics. Because they were tempted by Satan, evil was created

The mitochondrial Eve, our last female common ancestor died 50,000 years before our last common male decedent, Y-chromosome Adam, was born.

http://scienceblogs.com/authority/2007/ ... -never-go/

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Postby Dyakovo » Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:41 pm

Caninope wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:And 'God' planned for it all to happen, thus 'God' is evil.

Is someone evil for the lack of action?

If they created the situation and her the power to stop it, then yes.

In other words: If 'God' is omnipotent & omniscient as he is supposed to be, then he is evil.
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Postby Caninope » Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:41 pm

Zanzibarnia wrote:
Caninope wrote:This isn't false. It's perfectly reasonable to assume there was light before the sun. After all, our sun is under 5 billion years old, and this star is 13.2 billion years old.


Genesis, I believe, states that God created the rest of the stars after the sun. Hence, false.

You would be wrong. Light was created on the 1st day, but the stars and two great bodies (presumably the Sun and the Moon) were created on the 4th day.

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Agritum wrote:Arg, Caninope is Captain America under disguise. Everyone knows it.
Frisivisia wrote:
Me wrote:Just don't. It'll get you a whole lot further in life if you come to realize you're not the smartest guy in the room, even if you probably are.

Because Caninope may be in that room with you.
Nightkill the Emperor wrote:Thankfully, we have you and EM to guide us to wisdom and truth, holy one. :p
Norstal wrote:What I am saying of course is that we should clone Caninope.

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Postby Wamitoria » Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:42 pm

Caninope wrote:
Wamitoria wrote:However, earth did not come before the Sun.

Fair enough. The Bible was written by fallible human beings transcribing the work of God.

Assuming God was actually talking to them.
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Postby The Orson Empire » Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:42 pm

Zanzibarnia wrote:
Caninope wrote:This isn't false. It's perfectly reasonable to assume there was light before the sun. After all, our sun is under 5 billion years old, and this star is 13.2 billion years old.


Genesis, I believe, states that God created the rest of the stars after the sun. Hence, false.

He's right.

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Postby Wamitoria » Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:43 pm

The Orson Empire wrote:
Zanzibarnia wrote:
Genesis, I believe, states that God created the rest of the stars after the sun. Hence, false.

He's right.

It's times like these that I wish I had a copy of the bible around.
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Postby Ostrigonya » Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:43 pm

Wanna talk about atheism- lets talk about nudity, boys/girls kissing (ok), girls/girls kissing (HOT!), boys/boys kissing (NOT!)- these are things Atheism is made of.

Ask a scholar of Nietzscheism and they will tell you- living in a hyperindustrialized world, life is anything BUT religious and those seeking religion are simply fooling themselves....


just don't tell my girlfriend that!...... ;)

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Postby The Orson Empire » Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:43 pm

Wamitoria wrote:
The Orson Empire wrote:Look, before Adam and Eve, there was no evil. But when they disobeyed God, evil was created. That is when the universe started dieing

Adam and Eve never existed. Their use in the Bible is specifically intended to establish the canon relationship between humanity and Satan according to the Christian Bible.

Should I even bother telling him that Satan originally meant "the enemy" and only became a specific person when the Romans took over Christianity?

Well from what I was taught, Adam and Eve did exist and they were the first Humans. The evidence is all over Genesis

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Postby Wamitoria » Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:44 pm

Ostrigonya wrote:Wanna talk about atheism- lets talk about nudity, boys/girls kissing (ok), girls/girls kissing (HOT!), boys/boys kissing (NOT!)- these are things Atheism is made of.

Ask a scholar of Nietzscheism and they will tell you- living in a hyperindustrialized world, life is anything BUT religious and those seeking religion are simply fooling themselves....


just don't tell my girlfriend that!...... ;)

I'm 18 years old and what is this?
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Postby Divair » Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:44 pm

Ostrigonya wrote:Wanna talk about atheism- lets talk about nudity, boys/girls kissing (ok), girls/girls kissing (HOT!), boys/boys kissing (NOT!)- these are things Atheism is made of.

What? There's no connection.

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Postby Hochwalde » Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:44 pm

Dyakovo wrote:
The Orson Empire wrote:Look, before Adam and Eve, there was no evil. But when they disobeyed God, evil was created. That is when the universe started dieing

And 'God' planned for it all to happen, thus 'God' is evil.

Why are you putting God in quotes?

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Postby Mavorpen » Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:44 pm

The Orson Empire wrote:Well from what I was taught, Adam and Eve did exist and they were the first Humans. The evidence is all over Genesis


We aren't talking about Genesis. We are talking about facts. They did not exist, that is a scientific and historical fact.
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Postby Seperates » Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:44 pm

The Orson Empire wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:So since Satan is a bad person because he created evil, then 'God' is also a bad person since he indirectly created evil.

Look, before Adam and Eve, there was no evil. But when they disobeyed God, evil was created. That is when the universe started dieing

There was no Adam and Eve. And regardless, without evil, how could you even have the concept of disobedience (which to God was evil)? Even then, what you are really implying is that curiosity and intrepid behavior, along with liberal and progressive philsophy, is bad, without actually addressing the merits of such philsophies. Your story is trite, unsceintific, anti-philisophical, and anti-historical.
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