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Mavorpen
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Postby Mavorpen » Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:27 pm

The Orson Empire wrote:
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Why. Not. Now. Why must I suffer because God is too lazy to do anything about Satan now?

It's just the way things are. It's not time for the end of the world yet.


Why? Like I said in my most recent post, why is an all powerful being subject to laws he created?
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Postby Condunum » Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:27 pm

Hallistar wrote:
The Federated States of Chezchosiberia wrote:ATTENTION MY FELLOW CHRISTIANS
Athiests,they don't belive in anything, they are smaller and weaker ( in terms of size and influence )than christians.
Their all going to HELL anyway so when we are all dead we can laugh at them from our mansions in HEAVEN
Why do Athiests even need a forum?
So they can talk about everything that they don't belive in?
To complain about how Christians are trying to convert them every time they mention god?
(Paranoia)

"The Christians are trying to convert me, ALWAYS trying to convert me" :shock:
-every atheists EVER!!!!!

The guy who made this thread was looking for a fight, (typical Atheist)
he wanted to take a dump on our beliefs so he could feel better about his, like a bully, and this is true about all Atheists.
Yep that's right, don't feel sorry for atheists when they tell you they were bullied because now they are the bullies.
The deepest pit in hell is reserved for Atheists.

My belief in God is sound
it's as solid as the ground
and no servent of damnation
will ever shake its foundation


:rofl: This sounds like a Landover Baptist Church forum post.

I'm gonna search through to find out if this is a Copy-paste, because it is extremely suspicious.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:27 pm

Hochwalde wrote:
Also the idea of there being a being inherently better than I am is repugnant.


I consider that to be an insult towards me.
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The Orson Empire
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Postby The Orson Empire » Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:28 pm

Condunum wrote:
The Orson Empire wrote:He couldn't. It's just how the universe works- good vs evil. Don't forget Satan also did take 1/3 of the angels from Heaven with him

What says Satan is a bad person?

He created evil. He is the source of evil. And he turned the angels he captured into demons. In the end times, there will be a final huge battle between Satan and God, but God of course will win.
Satan knows he is going to loose, he is just trying to take as many people to Hell as possible

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Postby Seperates » Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:29 pm

The Orson Empire wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:
Why. Not. Now. Why must I suffer because God is too lazy to do anything about Satan now?

It's just the way things are. It's not time for the end of the world yet.

Really? Based on ONE book that can't even get something as basic as light coming from the sun right? (Read Genesis, you'll notice that light comes before the sun, which is false on even a metaphorical level)
This Debate is simply an exercise in Rhetoric. Truth is a fickle being with no intentions of showing itself today.

Non fui, fui, non sum, non curo

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Hallistar
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Postby Hallistar » Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:29 pm

The Orson Empire wrote:
Condunum wrote:What says Satan is a bad person?

He created evil. He is the source of evil. And he turned the angels he captured into demons. In the end times, there will be a final huge battle between Satan and God, but God of course will win.
Satan knows he is going to loose, he is just trying to take as many people to Hell as possible


No, god declared it evil. What is the whole point of Armageddon if we all know what's going to happen? It's the most arbitrary thing I've ever heard of. It's like we're just living out a rat race for the sake of pleasing Jesus or whomever, else we face pitchforks up our you-know-whats.

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Postby Greater Shoggothia » Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:29 pm

The Orson Empire wrote:
Condunum wrote:What says Satan is a bad person?

He created evil. He is the source of evil. And he turned the angels he captured into demons. In the end times, there will be a final huge battle between Satan and God, but God of course will win.
Satan knows he is going to loose, he is just trying to take as many people to Hell as possible

I think we've broken him. He's gone into baseless assertion mode.

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Postby Hochwalde » Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:30 pm

The Federated States of Chezchosiberia wrote:ATTENTION MY FELLOW CHRISTIANS
Athiests,they don't belive in anything, they are smaller and weaker ( in terms of size and influence )than christians.
Their all going to HELL anyway so when we are all dead we can laugh at them from our mansions in HEAVEN
Why do Athiests even need a forum?
So they can talk about everything that they don't belive in?
To complain about how Christians are trying to convert them every time they mention god?
(Paranoia)

"The Christians are trying to convert me, ALWAYS trying to convert me" :shock:
-every atheists EVER!!!!!

The guy who made this thread was looking for a fight, (typical Atheist)
he wanted to take a dump on our beliefs so he could feel better about his, like a bully, and this is true about all Atheists.
Yep that's right, don't feel sorry for atheists when they tell you they were bullied because now they are the bullies.
The deepest pit in hell is reserved for Atheists.

My belief in God is sound
it's as solid as the ground
and no servent of damnation
will ever shake its foundation


You know, I actually believed you were serious for a moment, good one mate!

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Postby Seperates » Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:31 pm

The Orson Empire wrote:
Condunum wrote:What says Satan is a bad person?

He created evil. He is the source of evil. And he turned the angels he captured into demons. In the end times, there will be a final huge battle between Satan and God, but God of course will win.
Satan knows he is going to loose, he is just trying to take as many people to Hell as possible

No, we've been over this. God created Satan. If Satan is the source of all evil, then God created the source of all evil and therefore, by your own logic, GOD IS THE SOURCE OF ALL EVIL.
This Debate is simply an exercise in Rhetoric. Truth is a fickle being with no intentions of showing itself today.

Non fui, fui, non sum, non curo

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Postby Condunum » Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:31 pm

The Orson Empire wrote:
Condunum wrote:What says Satan is a bad person?

He created evil. He is the source of evil. And he turned the angels he captured into demons. In the end times, there will be a final huge battle between Satan and God, but God of course will win.
Satan knows he is going to loose, he is just trying to take as many people to Hell as possible

How do you know he created evil, and wasn't actually a good-intentioned person, who wanted to let God's slaves think for themselves?
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Postby Hetland 2 » Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:31 pm

Greater Shoggothia wrote:
Hetland 2 wrote:This thread is bad at being athiest... Oh well...

I'm Het, I live in Minnesota, and I'm agnostic.

Ello m8, I'm in Minneapolis.


St. Paul for me, and hello.
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Postby Wamitoria » Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:31 pm

The Orson Empire wrote:
Condunum wrote:What says Satan is a bad person?

He created evil. He is the source of evil. And he turned the angels he captured into demons. In the end times, there will be a final huge battle between Satan and God, but God of course will win.
Satan knows he is going to loose, he is just trying to take as many people to Hell as possible

Ugh, Christian theological canon is boring as hell. "Oh look this guy represents evil and this guy represents good! Now let's totally rip off Norse Paganism and throw in a bunch of shit about Emperor Nero and BLAM! Book of Revelations."

Please, the only omnipotent being in the universe does not create other, weaker, creatures with the sole intent of "corrupting" the rest of us. If it did, Earth would essentially look like a low-tech version of Warhammer 40K.
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Postby Dyakovo » Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:32 pm

The Orson Empire wrote:
Condunum wrote:What says Satan is a bad person?

He created evil. He is the source of evil. And he turned the angels he captured into demons. In the end times, there will be a final huge battle between Satan and God, but God of course will win.
Satan knows he is going to loose, he is just trying to take as many people to Hell as possible

So since Satan is a bad person because he created evil, then 'God' is also a bad person since he indirectly created evil.
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:32 pm

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But having religion in the schools and other government institutions violates the right to freedom of religion by pushing a religion through the use of government.
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Postby The Orson Empire » Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:32 pm

Greater Shoggothia wrote:
The Orson Empire wrote:He created evil. He is the source of evil. And he turned the angels he captured into demons. In the end times, there will be a final huge battle between Satan and God, but God of course will win.
Satan knows he is going to loose, he is just trying to take as many people to Hell as possible

I think we've broken him. He's gone into baseless assertion mode.

I have a base. It explains it all in Revelation in the Bible. What I am saying came straight from the Bible. Also, all of the people who didn't make it in the rapture are going to be judged by God himself

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Postby Zanzibarnia » Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:33 pm

The Orson Empire wrote:
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You love him because otherwise he would not have mercy on you and send you to eternal damnation?

That is an absolutely horrible reason to love someone. Nor would that entity be worthy of love in the first place.

Love born of fear, one could argue, is not love at all.

That isn't the only reason I love him. That is just one of many. Thats the main reason I worship him, though, but its also because He is our creator


If it's the main reason you love him, it doesn't bode well for the rest of your reasons. If you honestly loved someone as you purport God loves us, would you really want them to love you back mainly because they're afraid that you'd torture them for eternity?

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Postby The Orson Empire » Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:33 pm

Dyakovo wrote:
The Orson Empire wrote:He created evil. He is the source of evil. And he turned the angels he captured into demons. In the end times, there will be a final huge battle between Satan and God, but God of course will win.
Satan knows he is going to loose, he is just trying to take as many people to Hell as possible

So since Satan is a bad person because he created evil, then 'God' is also a bad person since he indirectly created evil.

Look, before Adam and Eve, there was no evil. But when they disobeyed God, evil was created. That is when the universe started dieing

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Postby Condunum » Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:33 pm

The Orson Empire wrote:
Greater Shoggothia wrote:I think we've broken him. He's gone into baseless assertion mode.

I have a base. It explains it all in Revelation in the Bible. What I am saying came straight from the Bible. Also, all of the people who didn't make it in the rapture are going to be judged by God himself

No, no they aren't. They will be judged by Satan. Me and him talk, you see. Big Jim showed me how a long, long time ago.
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Postby Hochwalde » Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:34 pm

The Orson Empire wrote:
Condunum wrote:What says Satan is a bad person?

He created evil. He is the source of evil. And he turned the angels he captured into demons. In the end times, there will be a final huge battle between Satan and God, but God of course will win.
Satan knows he is going to loose, he is just trying to take as many people to Hell as possible

How do you know this?

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Postby Greater Shoggothia » Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:34 pm

The Orson Empire wrote:
Greater Shoggothia wrote:I think we've broken him. He's gone into baseless assertion mode.

I have a base. It explains it all in Revelation in the Bible. What I am saying came straight from the Bible. Also, all of the people who didn't make it in the rapture are going to be judged by God himself

You mean that chapter where Jesus tells his faithful to be intolerant? In direct contradiction to what you said about Jesus being tolerant?

One of you is wrong.

Source:
http://bible.cc/revelation/2-20.htm
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Postby Mavorpen » Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:34 pm

The Orson Empire wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:So since Satan is a bad person because he created evil, then 'God' is also a bad person since he indirectly created evil.

Look, before Adam and Eve, there was no evil. But when they disobeyed God, evil was created. That is when the universe started dieing

Adam and Eve didn't exist. Your entire religion falls apart.
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Postby Seperates » Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:35 pm

The Orson Empire wrote:
Greater Shoggothia wrote:I think we've broken him. He's gone into baseless assertion mode.

I have a base. It explains it all in Revelation in the Bible. What I am saying came straight from the Bible. Also, all of the people who didn't make it in the rapture are going to be judged by God himself

This man would be termed legally insane in any modern forum. But in Religion... :roll:
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Postby Condunum » Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:35 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
The Orson Empire wrote:Look, before Adam and Eve, there was no evil. But when they disobeyed God, evil was created. That is when the universe started dieing

Adam and Eve didn't exist. Your entire religion falls apart.

Even if they did, their story proved Satan was a benevolent creature.
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Postby Zanzibarnia » Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:35 pm

The Federated States of Chezchosiberia wrote:-snip-


See, this is just lazy and sad. Unoriginal and predictable.

You can do better! I believe in you! :)

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Postby Dyakovo » Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:36 pm

The Orson Empire wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:So since Satan is a bad person because he created evil, then 'God' is also a bad person since he indirectly created evil.

Look, before Adam and Eve, there was no evil. But when they disobeyed God, evil was created. That is when the universe started dieing

And 'God' planned for it all to happen, thus 'God' is evil.
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