All Y’all Atheists.

[Greater Shoggothia]

This girl right here:

Imagine how she must have prayed, imagine for how long. Do you think her conditions started to get better?

Well, yes. Unless the photographer is a heartless bastard and not give her some food and water.

Actually he was told not to interfere by the nurses at the refugee camp she was just outside of. They said that even if they tried to help her (with intravenous fluids and such), she would live another week at most. Best just to leave her to die a relatively quick agonizing death via talon and beak.

The photographer later killed himself.

[The Orson Empire]

He's helped us get through financial situations in the past. We had faith in Him, so the conditions started to get better

No. Good money managment, and luck in the financial sector helped you with your financial situation. I am lucky enough to have a father who relies on hard work and common sense to keep our financial situation relativly stable despite him being unemployed during the stock market crash, though we had to move when he found himself a well-paying (though stressful) job out of state, thanks to his connections and previous work expierience. No God.

And what about everybody else who is also poor, but they pray and have faith, and yet they never rise out of their conditions? Why do you think that He chose you? Why do you think he singled you out when there are probably millions in more need and that are more deserving of help than you?

Thats not what I am saying. And I know how it feels, my mom is sick with a disease right now. But sometimes you just may not be better. It may be your fate/ I don't know how it works, all I know is what the Bible tells me

[The Blaatschapen]

Well, yes. Unless the photographer is a heartless bastard and not give her some food and water.

Actually he was told not to interfere by the nurses at the refugee camp she was just outside of. They said that even if they tried to help her (with intravenous fluids and such), she would live another week at most. Best just to leave her to die a relatively quick agonizing death via talon and beak.

The photographer later killed himself.

[Mavorpen]

Thats not what I am saying. And I know how it feels, my mom is sick with a disease right now. But sometimes you just may not be better. It may be your fate/ I don't know how it works, all I know is what the Bible tells me

You never answered my question. Why does God have to cause some to suffer to please others? Is he not all powerful? Wouldn't an all powerful being be able to please everyone?

[Mavorpen]

Actually he was told not to interfere by the nurses at the refugee camp she was just outside of. They said that even if they tried to help her (with intravenous fluids and such), she would live another week at most. Best just to leave her to die a relatively quick agonizing death via talon and beak.

The photographer later killed himself.

And this is why I'm a misanthrope.

[Veladio]

You realize that without fail the most religious countries in the world are worse off, right?

How so?
Al I know is that if I am faithful, God will be gracious and reward me.

So it's for the reward? I am faithful, but it isn't for the reward. Our faith is all about using our earthly bodies to help nature and other beings, not relying on the gods to do it for us.

[The Orson Empire]

Thats not what I am saying. And I know how it feels, my mom is sick with a disease right now. But sometimes you just may not be better. It may be your fate/ I don't know how it works, all I know is what the Bible tells me

You never answered my question. Why does God have to cause some to suffer to please others? Is he not all powerful? Wouldn't an all powerful being be able to please everyone?

I don't know how it works. I only know what the Bible tells me. But there is also a lot of sin in the world, which contributes to the problems we face today.

[Silent Majority]

all I know is what the Bible tells me

You might want to expand your list of reading material a bit

[The Orson Empire]

How so?
Al I know is that if I am faithful, God will be gracious and reward me.

So it's for the reward? I am faithful, but it isn't for the reward. Our faith is all about using our earthly bodies to help nature and other beings, not relying on the gods to do it for us.

By reward I meant when I die I would go to Heaven. Thats the only reward I seek, is his mercy. That is one of the main reasons why i love him so he will have mercy on me and not send me to eternal damnation.

[Seperates]

No. Good money managment, and luck in the financial sector helped you with your financial situation. I am lucky enough to have a father who relies on hard work and common sense to keep our financial situation relativly stable despite him being unemployed during the stock market crash, though we had to move when he found himself a well-paying (though stressful) job out of state, thanks to his connections and previous work expierience. No God.

And what about everybody else who is also poor, but they pray and have faith, and yet they never rise out of their conditions? Why do you think that He chose you? Why do you think he singled you out when there are probably millions in more need and that are more deserving of help than you?

Thats not what I am saying. And I know how it feels, my mom is sick with a disease right now. But sometimes you just may not be better. It may be your fate/ I don't know how it works, all I know is what the Bible tells me

Then if it's a plan, why do you even bother praying? To paraphrase the late George Carlin, surely God wouldn't change his plan for every shmuck with a two dollar prayer-book. Either prayer works, or it doesn't. End of story. Because if it has inconsistent, dare I say random, results how is it a proper method of addressing the problems that we face in the world today.

[Divair]

all I know is what the Bible tells me

You might want to expand your list of reading material a bit

To non-fiction.

[Seperates]

You never answered my question. Why does God have to cause some to suffer to please others? Is he not all powerful? Wouldn't an all powerful being be able to please everyone?

I don't know how it works. I only know what the Bible tells me. But there is also a lot of sin in the world, which contributes to the problems we face today.

And where does sin come from... the being that created everything... God.

[The Orson Empire]

all I know is what the Bible tells me

You might want to expand your list of reading material a bit

What? I read other books. Thats not ALL that I know. I was just referring to how it works.

[Divair]

So it's for the reward? I am faithful, but it isn't for the reward. Our faith is all about using our earthly bodies to help nature and other beings, not relying on the gods to do it for us.

By reward I meant when I die I would go to Heaven. Thats the only reward I seek, is his mercy. That is one of the main reasons why i love him so he will have mercy on me and not send me to eternal damnation.

And this, ladies and gentlemen, is the only reason why religion still exists.

[The Orson Empire]

I don't know how it works. I only know what the Bible tells me. But there is also a lot of sin in the world, which contributes to the problems we face today.

And where does sin come from... the being that created everything... God.

No it comes from Satan, God's enemy

[Veladio]

Thats not what I am saying. And I know how it feels, my mom is sick with a disease right now. But sometimes you just may not be better. It may be your fate/ I don't know how it works, all I know is what the Bible tells me

Then if it's a plan, why do you even bother praying? To paraphrase the late George Carlin, surely God wouldn't change his plan for every shmuck with a two dollar prayer-book. Either prayer works, or it doesn't. End of story. Because if it has inconsistent, dare I say random, results how is it a proper method of addressing the problems that we face in the world today.

I pray to Joe Peschi sometimes

[Greater Shoggothia]

You realize that without fail the most religious countries in the world are worse off, right?

How so?
Al I know is that if I am faithful, God will be gracious and reward me.

Hmm... what are the most religious countries in the world?
Iran...
Yemen...
Afghanistan...

Oh that's not fair you say. Those are all Muslim countries, they're praying to the wrong god. So okay, let's just stick to Europe. What are the most religious countries in Christian EU?

Let's take a looksy:


Ouch, Romania, Greece, Italy, Poland, Ireland, and Portugal. Which is to say, all the economically weak, dependent and impoverished countries.

[Mavorpen]

I don't know how it works. I only know what the Bible tells me. But there is also a lot of sin in the world, which contributes to the problems we face today.

Why is there sin? Why can't God simply get rid of sin? And before you say he gave us free will, please explain why God cannot give us both free will and erase sin. Again, if God is all powerful, none of these things would be a problem. The fact the world is a bad place is testament that either 1)God doesn't exist. 2)God is a selfish asshole.

[Seperates]

You might want to expand your list of reading material a bit

What? I read other books. Thats not ALL that I know. I was just referring to how it works.

But the bible is inconsistant with the physical reality around us, so how can you be sure that it is right on metaphysical concepts?

[Veladio]

So it's for the reward? I am faithful, but it isn't for the reward. Our faith is all about using our earthly bodies to help nature and other beings, not relying on the gods to do it for us.

By reward I meant when I die I would go to Heaven. Thats the only reward I seek, is his mercy. That is one of the main reasons why i love him so he will have mercy on me and not send me to eternal damnation.

Do you believe that a good person, philanthropist, etc. will be sent to eternal damnation just because he isn't a Christian?

[Mavorpen]

No it comes from Satan, God's enemy

And who created Satan? God. By the way, I thought God created everything. How and why would God allow Satan to create anything?

[Seperates]

And where does sin come from... the being that created everything... God.

No it comes from Satan, God's enemy

But God if created Satan, ergo God created evil.

[Durandus]

I was raised a Christian and was subjected to religious "education" from grade school to my high school years. In my first year in college, I decided that I should actually sit down and read the book that my faith was based upon. This effectively forced me to re-evaluate what I had been "taught" during the majority of my life. I was shocked at what the educators and priests had skipped or glossed over. This prompted me to research my religion further and was what ultimately led me to my choice to become an Aethist. I can hardly begrudge a person for finding comfort where they might, but I can not bring myself to believe in something that either purposefully misled me or was "conveniently" ignorant of some of its more disturbing principles.

As an example I have included a sample of passages I found particularly disturbing:

"I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man. She must be quiet." (1 Timothy 2:12)

"Wives should be subordinate to their husbands as to the Lord." (Ephesians 5:22)

"Go, now, attack Amalek, and deal with him and all that he has under the ban. Do not spare him, but kill men and women, children and infants, oxen and sheep, camels and asses." (1 Samuel 15:3)

"You shall not let a sorceress live." (Exodus 22:18)

"Happy those who seize your children and smash them against a rock." (Psalm 137:9)

"And the males likewise gave up natural relations with females and burned with lust for one another. Males did shameful things with males and thus received in their own persons the due penalty for their perversity." (Romans 1:27)

"Slaves, be subject to your masters with all reverence, not only to those who are good and equitable but also to those who are perverse." (1 Peter 2:18)

[Wamitoria]

And where does sin come from... the being that created everything... God.

No it comes from Satan, God's enemy

Oh come now, an omnipotent being and master of the laws of physics does not have enemies.

[Silent Majority]

And where does sin come from... the being that created everything... God.

No it comes from Satan, God's enemy

If God is omnipotent, why does he not simply eliminate Satan, and Sin?