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Postby The Orson Empire » Wed Jul 11, 2012 7:58 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
The Orson Empire wrote:Well He has helped me out. And I can prove it.
This isn't meant to be trolling or against the rules.


Question: Why has God never healed amputees? Does he not like them?

It doesn't work like that. He won't heal you instantly, but you must continue praying and believing and it will help you get through the condition.

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Postby The Blaatschapen » Wed Jul 11, 2012 7:58 pm

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The last Word I cared about was from Microsoft.

Ok, that's definitly true... Ah, that was so damn punny though... Word as in Biblical Word, along with word as in "taking his word for it". Ah, language is so fun and stupid sometimes. :D


Word.

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The last Word I cared about was from Microsoft.

Nope, I use Libre Office :p


Me too, nowadays. Though I have on my old comp a version of Office 2007.

Anyway, so yeah, do we atheists need things like churches? Where do we gather usually?
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Postby Seperates » Wed Jul 11, 2012 7:58 pm

The Orson Empire wrote:
Seperates wrote:Why? What has prayer and worship ever done for anyone? I'll tell you. Nothing that can't be done by simple relaxation or meditation.

Have you ever heard the saying "God helps those who help themselves"? Well, that's because God doesn't do anything because he doesn't exist.

Adam and Eve never existed, so your conjecture is pointless.

Well He has helped me out. And I can prove it.
This isn't meant to be trolling or against the rules.

Really? How has he helped you?
This Debate is simply an exercise in Rhetoric. Truth is a fickle being with no intentions of showing itself today.

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Postby Seperates » Wed Jul 11, 2012 7:59 pm

The Blaatschapen wrote:
Seperates wrote:Ok, that's definitly true... Ah, that was so damn punny though... Word as in Biblical Word, along with word as in "taking his word for it". Ah, language is so fun and stupid sometimes. :D


Word.

Veladio wrote:Nope, I use Libre Office :p


Me too, nowadays. Though I have on my old comp a version of Office 2007.

Anyway, so yeah, do we atheists need things like churches? Where do we gather usually?

We call them bars usually... or Conventions.
This Debate is simply an exercise in Rhetoric. Truth is a fickle being with no intentions of showing itself today.

Non fui, fui, non sum, non curo

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Postby Mavorpen » Wed Jul 11, 2012 7:59 pm

The Orson Empire wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:
Question: Why has God never healed amputees? Does he not like them?

It doesn't work like that. He won't heal you instantly, but you must continue praying and believing and it will help you get through the condition.


So God doesn't cure cancer patients or other terminally ill patients like I've been told by countless Christians? Also, please explain why he doesn't want to heal you. It would make your life easier. It would help you get a job and provide for your family. Does God just want more attention? Is he that selfish?
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Postby Greater Shoggothia » Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:00 pm

The Orson Empire wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:
Question: Why has God never healed amputees? Does he not like them?

It doesn't work like that. He won't heal you instantly, but you must continue praying and believing and it will help you get through the condition.

He's never healed amputees gradually either.

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Postby The Orson Empire » Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:01 pm

Seperates wrote:
The Orson Empire wrote:Well He has helped me out. And I can prove it.
This isn't meant to be trolling or against the rules.

Really? How has he helped you?

He's helped us get through financial situations in the past. We had faith in Him, so the conditions started to get better
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Postby Divair » Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:01 pm

Greater Shoggothia wrote:
The Orson Empire wrote:It doesn't work like that. He won't heal you instantly, but you must continue praying and believing and it will help you get through the condition.

He's never healed amputees gradually either.

Nonsense, don't you read the news these days? Every other day there's a story about how a man has finally finished regrowing his chopped off balls after praying for three years.

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Postby Veladio » Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:01 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
The Orson Empire wrote:It doesn't work like that. He won't heal you instantly, but you must continue praying and believing and it will help you get through the condition.


So God doesn't cure cancer patients or other terminally ill patients like I've been told by countless Christians? Also, please explain why he doesn't want to heal you. It would make your life easier. It would help you get a job and provide for your family. Does God just want more attention? Is he that selfish?

...And prove his existence :eyebrow:
I am a Wiccan. Do not assume I am an Atheist in Religion threads simply because I support complete Secularization of Government Entities.

Social Libertarian (could care less about Economics, there are people who are more educated at it, so it is a waste of time to try and debate me on it.). As stated above I am a Wiccan, and I find solidarity with the Egyptian Deities. I support government secularization as well as complete freedom of religion, as I believe that to truly be secular, the state must respect all beliefs, and favor none. And I recently enlisted in the United States Navy.

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Postby Seperates » Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:01 pm

The Orson Empire wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:
Question: Why has God never healed amputees? Does he not like them?

It doesn't work like that. He won't heal you instantly, but you must continue praying and believing and it will help you get through the condition.

Right, God can't work against reality. :roll: Your God is pathetic.
This Debate is simply an exercise in Rhetoric. Truth is a fickle being with no intentions of showing itself today.

Non fui, fui, non sum, non curo

"The most important fact about us: that we are greater than the institutions and cultures we build."--Roberto Mangabeira Unger

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Postby Wirbel » Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:02 pm

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Wisconsin9 wrote:I'm originally from Virginia. I moved after 3rd grade, but my parents were atheist while I lived there (now I'm not sure what they believe), and so was I. I always refused to say "under God" during the Pledge of Allegiance, and was bullied for it--in 2nd grade.


Same thing happened to me in seventh grade, but eventually they got over it, and I gradually stopped saying the pledge at all.


Hahaha... I'm Christian and I don't say the pledge...
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Postby Mavorpen » Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:02 pm

The Orson Empire wrote:
Seperates wrote:Really? How has he helped you?

He's helped us get through financial situations in the past. We had faith in Him, so the conditions started to get better


Why has God not cured the United States of its financial problems in general?
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Postby The Orson Empire » Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:02 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
The Orson Empire wrote:It doesn't work like that. He won't heal you instantly, but you must continue praying and believing and it will help you get through the condition.


So God doesn't cure cancer patients or other terminally ill patients like I've been told by countless Christians? Also, please explain why he doesn't want to heal you. It would make your life easier. It would help you get a job and provide for your family. Does God just want more attention? Is he that selfish?

Like I said, it doesn't happen instantly. He may be using one illness to help someone else. But miracles do happen and people do get better

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Postby The Blaatschapen » Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:03 pm

The Orson Empire wrote:
Seperates wrote:Really? How has he helped you?

He's helped us get through financial situations in the past. We had faith in Him, so the conditions started to get better


If that is so, then why is Sweden, quite an atheist country, much better off than Greece, where people are still quite Christian?
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Postby Mavorpen » Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:03 pm

Seperates wrote:
The Orson Empire wrote:It doesn't work like that. He won't heal you instantly, but you must continue praying and believing and it will help you get through the condition.

Right, God can't work against reality. :roll: Your God is pathetic.


And God gave the ability to regenerate to beings such as starfish and lizards. Why would he not give it to his most prized creation? God is an asshole.
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Postby Greater Shoggothia » Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:03 pm

The Orson Empire wrote:
Seperates wrote:Really? How has he helped you?

He's helped us get through financial situations in the past. We had faith in Him, so the conditions started to get better

This girl right here:
Image

Imagine how she must have prayed, imagine for how long. Do you think her conditions started to get better?
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Postby Veladio » Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:04 pm

The Orson Empire wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:
So God doesn't cure cancer patients or other terminally ill patients like I've been told by countless Christians? Also, please explain why he doesn't want to heal you. It would make your life easier. It would help you get a job and provide for your family. Does God just want more attention? Is he that selfish?

Like I said, it doesn't happen instantly. He may be using one illness to help someone else. But miracles do happen and people do get better

So my friend dying of stage 4 breast cancer was just so your god could help someone else? wow...just...wow.
I am a Wiccan. Do not assume I am an Atheist in Religion threads simply because I support complete Secularization of Government Entities.

Social Libertarian (could care less about Economics, there are people who are more educated at it, so it is a waste of time to try and debate me on it.). As stated above I am a Wiccan, and I find solidarity with the Egyptian Deities. I support government secularization as well as complete freedom of religion, as I believe that to truly be secular, the state must respect all beliefs, and favor none. And I recently enlisted in the United States Navy.

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Postby Mavorpen » Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:04 pm

The Orson Empire wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:
So God doesn't cure cancer patients or other terminally ill patients like I've been told by countless Christians? Also, please explain why he doesn't want to heal you. It would make your life easier. It would help you get a job and provide for your family. Does God just want more attention? Is he that selfish?

Like I said, it doesn't happen instantly. He may be using one illness to help someone else. But miracles do happen and people do get better


What? Why does God need to use an illness to help someone else? He's GOD. He can do anything. He can solve both of the problems without causing one to have an illness, can't he? Unless He's not all powerful.

Face it, either God is an asshole, or he doesn't care.
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Postby The Orson Empire » Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:05 pm

The Blaatschapen wrote:
The Orson Empire wrote:He's helped us get through financial situations in the past. We had faith in Him, so the conditions started to get better


If that is so, then why is Sweden, quite an atheist country, much better off than Greece, where people are still quite Christian?

I don't know. Thats just the world in general. The world is full of sin, and that is probably whats contributing to all these illnesses, war, and other problems of the world.

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Postby The Blaatschapen » Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:05 pm

Greater Shoggothia wrote:
The Orson Empire wrote:He's helped us get through financial situations in the past. We had faith in Him, so the conditions started to get better

This girl right here:
Image

Imagine how she must have prayed, imagine for how long. Do you think her conditions started to get better?


Well, yes. Unless the photographer is a heartless bastard and not give her some food and water.
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Postby Greater Shoggothia » Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:07 pm

The Orson Empire wrote:
The Blaatschapen wrote:
If that is so, then why is Sweden, quite an atheist country, much better off than Greece, where people are still quite Christian?

I don't know. Thats just the world in general. The world is full of sin, and that is probably whats contributing to all these illnesses, war, and other problems of the world.

You realize that without fail the most religious countries in the world are worse off, right?

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Postby Seperates » Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:07 pm

The Orson Empire wrote:
Seperates wrote:Really? How has he helped you?

He's helped us get through financial situations in the past. We had faith in Him, so the conditions started to get better

No. Good money managment, and luck in the financial sector helped you with your financial situation. I am lucky enough to have a father who relies on hard work and common sense to keep our financial situation relativly stable despite him being unemployed during the stock market crash, though we had to move when he found himself a well-paying (though stressful) job out of state, thanks to his connections and previous work expierience. No God.

And what about everybody else who is also poor, but they pray and have faith, and yet they never rise out of their conditions? Why do you think that He chose you? Why do you think he singled you out when there are probably millions in more need and that are more deserving of help than you?
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Postby Divair » Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:08 pm

Greater Shoggothia wrote:
The Orson Empire wrote:I don't know. Thats just the world in general. The world is full of sin, and that is probably whats contributing to all these illnesses, war, and other problems of the world.

You realize that without fail the most religious countries in the world are worse off, right?

Here's the catch:
The gods only like atheists. We don't bother them with praying.

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Postby The Orson Empire » Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:08 pm

Greater Shoggothia wrote:
The Orson Empire wrote:I don't know. Thats just the world in general. The world is full of sin, and that is probably whats contributing to all these illnesses, war, and other problems of the world.

You realize that without fail the most religious countries in the world are worse off, right?

How so?
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Postby Seperates » Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:09 pm

The Orson Empire wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:
So God doesn't cure cancer patients or other terminally ill patients like I've been told by countless Christians? Also, please explain why he doesn't want to heal you. It would make your life easier. It would help you get a job and provide for your family. Does God just want more attention? Is he that selfish?

Like I said, it doesn't happen instantly. He may be using one illness to help someone else. But miracles do happen and people do get better

Only so long as they also have modern medicine... :roll:
This Debate is simply an exercise in Rhetoric. Truth is a fickle being with no intentions of showing itself today.

Non fui, fui, non sum, non curo

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