All Y’all Atheists.

[The Blaatschapen]

I'll tell you why you are allowed to screw up. God is a father to us all and every just father allows his children freedom to follow him or their own desires. And God did not create us perfectly, but of His own image meaning that we are modeled after God but we are inferior to him because we are not the same as God.

Thanks that we're allowed to "screw up". Now leave us be at our "mistakes"

[Greater Shoggothia]

...wow, talk about intolerance. The deepest pit is reserved for atheists? Not murderers or child molesters... I hope to the GODS that this is satire

Murder and Child Molestation are not as Amoral ( no concept of morality ) as Atheism

You know there is a whole thread on atheist morality. Why don't you go there?

[Demon Cleaner]

Oh you want an actual refutation of the ten commandments?

Okay: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwxvawKq_W8

Let's see:

His criticism of #1-4 and #10 are ultimately pointless when we talk about Jesus.

[Divair]

Murder and Child Molestation are not as Amoral ( no concept of morality ) as Atheism

Amoral>Immoral

Don't feed him.

[Demon Cleaner]

ATTENTION MY FELLOW CHRISTIANS
Athiests,they don't belive in anything, they are smaller and weaker ( in terms of size and influence )than christians.
Their all going to HELL anyway so when we are all dead we can laugh at them from our mansions in HEAVEN
Why do Athiests even need a forum?
So they can talk about everything that they don't belive in?
To complain about how Christians are trying to convert them every time they mention god?
(Paranoia)

"The Christians are trying to convert me, ALWAYS trying to convert me"
-every atheists EVER!!!!!

The guy who made this thread was looking for a fight, (typical Atheist)
he wanted to take a dump on our beliefs so he could feel better about his, like a bully, and this is true about all Atheists.
Yep that's right, don't feel sorry for atheists when they tell you they were bullied because now they are the bullies.
The deepest pit in hell is reserved for Atheists.

My belief in God is sound
it's as solid as the ground
and no servent of damnation
will ever shake its foundation

^Christian who does not endorse this statement.^

[Seperates]

ATTENTION MY FELLOW CHRISTIANS
Athiests,they don't belive in anything, they are smaller and weaker ( in terms of size and influence )than christians.
Their all going to HELL anyway so when we are all dead we can laugh at them from our mansions in HEAVEN
Why do Athiests even need a forum?
So they can talk about everything that they don't belive in?
To complain about how Christians are trying to convert them every time they mention god?
(Paranoia)

"The Christians are trying to convert me, ALWAYS trying to convert me"
-every atheists EVER!!!!!

The guy who made this thread was looking for a fight, (typical Atheist)
he wanted to take a dump on our beliefs so he could feel better about his, like a bully, and this is true about all Atheists.
Yep that's right, don't feel sorry for atheists when they tell you they were bullied because now they are the bullies.
The deepest pit in hell is reserved for Atheists.

My belief in God is sound
it's as solid as the ground
and no servent of damnation
will ever shake its foundation

Hey, your unorginality is cramping my style,
you should just go on back home because I think you're quite vile.
Take a shower man, because that shit does reek,
You can't fake me out because I'm here almost everyday of the week

A bully? Me? Sir, you're far too kind.
Your ideas are even worse than your rythym and rhyme.
So put on your glove on your tougue and prepare for a fight,
because you are posting on a muth'afucking debate website.

(Well, technically a debate forum, but fuck it, sometimes you have to go with the flow.)

[Wilsonbiggs]

The bible is interesting. I love the history and such behind it, but I don't believe in it. The "Dead Sea Scrolls" exhibit at my local science museum was VERY interesting. I atually want to read the bible someday, as a novel, instead of as a factbook.

[The Federated States of Chezchosiberia]

-SNIP-

Yes, the deepest pit is reserved for atheists. Not for child molesters, rapists, mass murderers, etc.

This kind of shit is why I'm a Deist.

Indeed the deepest pit of hell is reserved for atheists, so glad to see you agree with me

ha ha oh im a riot

[Greater Shoggothia]

Oh you want an actual refutation of the ten commandments?

Okay: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwxvawKq_W8

Let's see:

His criticism of #1-4 and #10 are ultimately pointless when we talk about Jesus.

So your defense of the ten commandments is that half of them are irrelevant anyway? This makes them even worse as a moral guide, not better.

[Demon Cleaner]

Yes, the deepest pit is reserved for atheists. Not for child molesters, rapists, mass murderers, etc.

This kind of shit is why I'm a Deist.

Indeed the deepest pit of hell is reserved for atheists, so glad to see you agree with me

ha ha oh im a riot

This isn't Divine Comedy.

[Demon Cleaner]

Let's see:

His criticism of #1-4 and #10 are ultimately pointless when we talk about Jesus.

So your defense of the ten commandments is that half of them are irrelevant anyway? This makes them even worse as a moral guide, not better.

Let me save myself the words and use the bold feature instead.

If you don't understand my point after that, then you haven't read the New Testament.

[Seperates]

Yes, the deepest pit is reserved for atheists. Not for child molesters, rapists, mass murderers, etc.

This kind of shit is why I'm a Deist.

Indeed the deepest pit of hell is reserved for atheists, so glad to see you agree with me

ha ha oh im a riot

Really, though, you are quite absurd.
What even makes you think that I care about your Word?
I've debated with teachers, I've debated with preists,
And I've come out stronger in my disbelief to say the least.

[The Federated States of Chezchosiberia]

ATTENTION MY FELLOW CHRISTIANS
Athiests,they don't belive in anything, they are smaller and weaker ( in terms of size and influence )than christians.
Their all going to HELL anyway so when we are all dead we can laugh at them from our mansions in HEAVEN
Why do Athiests even need a forum?
So they can talk about everything that they don't belive in?
To complain about how Christians are trying to convert them every time they mention god?
(Paranoia)

"The Christians are trying to convert me, ALWAYS trying to convert me"
-every atheists EVER!!!!!

The guy who made this thread was looking for a fight, (typical Atheist)
he wanted to take a dump on our beliefs so he could feel better about his, like a bully, and this is true about all Atheists.
Yep that's right, don't feel sorry for atheists when they tell you they were bullied because now they are the bullies.
The deepest pit in hell is reserved for Atheists.

My belief in God is sound
it's as solid as the ground
and no servent of damnation
will ever shake its foundation

Hey, your unorginality is cramping my style,
you should just go on back home because I think you're quite vile.
Take a shower man, because that shit does reek,
You can't fake me out because I'm here almost everyday of the week

A bully? Me? Sir, you're far too kind.
Your ideas are even worse than your rythym and rhyme.
So put on your glove on your tougue and prepare for a fight,
because you are posting on a muth'afucking debate website.

Well, technically a debate forum, but fuck it, sometimes you have to go with the flow.)

Okay that was pretty good
i'll concede, i'm tired of arguing

[Divair]

Indeed the deepest pit of hell is reserved for atheists, so glad to see you agree with me

ha ha oh im a riot

Really, though, you are quite absurd.
What even makes you think that I care about your Word?
I've debated with teachers, I've debated with preists,
And I've come out stronger in my disbelief to say the least.

I recommend you stop feeding him.

[Mavorpen]

I stated that the principles of not judging others, doing onto others as you would have them do onto you, and other teachings were as tolerant as you could get. If any other religion is teaching the same moral statements, then they must be on the same level, not below it, as they are the same teachings.

Except, I never said that Christianity has the same exact moral statements as all other religions. Moreover, it's not just about the moral statements themselves, but the reasoning behind the moral statements.

When I say ''not the most tolerant'', all I am trying to do is say that I don't think what Jesus taught is better than any Eastern religion, as it's mostly the same.

Except, this isn't true at all.

I would say that Jainism = Buddhism = Jesys, but have it your way.

...This is ignorance at it's best. I'm a Buddhist, and even I would put Jainism above Buddhism when it comes to morality. You cannot beat Jainism in that department, you simply can't. But seriously, you should try backing up your claim for once.

Present the argument yourself. I'm not refuting a link to a YouTube video from a dead comedian. If I linked WLC giving his five arguments for the existence of God, it would not be fair for me to expect you to refute it all.

Except, I WOULD refute them. Just because you don't like refuting evidence, doesn't mean I don't.

Not judging other people when you're not perfect is logical, because doing so would be hypocritical and self-defeating.

Except this is downright impossible. Judging others is not bad. If you believe so, prove it. But otherwise, this is a useless "moral" point.

Doing onto others as you would have them do onto you is logical, because you should extend the same moral rights to others you would want to be extended by other people to yourself. You wouldn't expect to be treated nicely by others if you treated them like dirt.

Actually, no. The Golden Rule has been pointed out to be flawed heavily. The Golden Rule tries to justify being moral, but it fails miserably. This is another reason why Jainism and Buddhism are better in the department of morality. They don't adhere to the faulty Golden Rule.

Please stop acting like things such as ''learn to read'' and ''educate yourself'' are actual arguments and not personal attacks that ruin the productivity of the discussion.

I'm not going to argue something I never said, or strawmen you create.

The only conclusion I can get from ''The teachings of Jesus are not original'' is that they must be equal to the same teachings that came before him. If everything Jesus said completely unoriginal and taken from Buddhism, Jainism, etc., then why are they logical and deep, when his are illogical and primitive?

Where did I say they were completely unoriginal? His moral teachings were, but his teachings altogether as a whole obviously were, otherwise Christianity would not be a distinct religion. But ignoring that, many of his teachings weren't logical themselves. There are major differences between the moral teachings of Christianity and a religion such as Jainism. At the core, they try to get the basics across (don't murder, don't steal, etc) but the reasoning behind them and the actual depth of the philosophies are very contrasting.

[Seperates]

Really, though, you are quite absurd.
What even makes you think that I care about your Word?
I've debated with teachers, I've debated with preists,
And I've come out stronger in my disbelief to say the least.

I recommend you stop feeding him.

At that point I was just feeling the beat more or less.
More about creativity, and less about arguement.

[The Federated States of Chezchosiberia]

Indeed the deepest pit of hell is reserved for atheists, so glad to see you agree with me

ha ha oh im a riot

This isn't Divine Comedy.

Just trying to lighten the mood

[The Blaatschapen]

Indeed the deepest pit of hell is reserved for atheists, so glad to see you agree with me

ha ha oh im a riot

Really, though, you are quite absurd.
What even makes you think that I care about your Word?
I've debated with teachers, I've debated with preists,
And I've come out stronger in my disbelief to say the least.

The last Word I cared about was from Microsoft.

[The Orson Empire]

the truth about God, if anyone has ever read the Bible, is that he gives us the choice between good and evil. God didn't desire Adam and Eve to choose pride over sanctuary, but we are the greatest of His creations because we have free will and are considered above the Heavenly angels. So I don't buy anyone saying they can just get along without God. Its like saying that if you jump out of an airplane from 10,000 feet in the air, without a parachute, you'll survive simply because you think you'll just hit the ground and live. And for all you people who are experiencing a crisis of faith, don't focus on dogma or doctrine or too much biblical study; the best thing for you is prayer and worship. because In the end it doesn't matter how much you KNOW about God; it matters how well you accepted whatever you DIDN'T know about Him, what you took on faith. "Blessed are they that have not seen and still believe." (please excuse my absence of acknowledgement of passage.)

Why? What has prayer and worship ever done for anyone? I'll tell you. Nothing that can't be done by simple relaxation or meditation.

Have you ever heard the saying "God helps those who help themselves"? Well, that's because God doesn't do anything because he doesn't exist.

Adam and Eve never existed, so your conjecture is pointless.

Well He has helped me out. And I can prove it.
This isn't meant to be trolling or against the rules.

[Greater Shoggothia]

So your defense of the ten commandments is that half of them are irrelevant anyway? This makes them even worse as a moral guide, not better.

Let me save myself the words and use the bold feature instead.

If you don't understand my point after that, then you haven't read the New Testament.

I've read the New Testament. I particularly liked the bit in Revelations where Jesus commands his followers to be intolerant, a point you seem to have ignored. Much like you have ignored entirely Hitchen's critique, and apparently have no answer even for those criticisms you acknowledge.

Have you ever read any Buddhist Sūtras? You seem quite convinced that Jesus is their moral equal, and yet I doubt if you've read even a single one of them.


As for myself, having read quite extensively on these subjects, I would say that morally the New Testament falls somewhere between the Avesta and the Bhagavad Gita. Except for that the Bhagavad Gita has better poetry, and the Avesta a more just deity.

[Seperates]

Really, though, you are quite absurd.
What even makes you think that I care about your Word?
I've debated with teachers, I've debated with preists,
And I've come out stronger in my disbelief to say the least.

The last Word I cared about was from Microsoft.

Ok, that's definitly true... Ah, that was so damn punny though... Word as in Biblical Word, along with word as in "taking his word for it". Ah, language is so fun and stupid sometimes.

[Mavorpen]

Well He has helped me out. And I can prove it.
This isn't meant to be trolling or against the rules.

Question: Why has God never healed amputees? Does he not like them?

[Veladio]

Really, though, you are quite absurd.
What even makes you think that I care about your Word?
I've debated with teachers, I've debated with preists,
And I've come out stronger in my disbelief to say the least.

The last Word I cared about was from Microsoft.

Nope, I use Libre Office

[Stovokor]

Hey, your unorginality is cramping my style,
you should just go on back home because I think you're quite vile.
Take a shower man, because that shit does reek,
You can't fake me out because I'm here almost everyday of the week

A bully? Me? Sir, you're far too kind.
Your ideas are even worse than your rythym and rhyme.
So put on your glove on your tougue and prepare for a fight,
because you are posting on a muth'afucking debate website.

Well, technically a debate forum, but fuck it, sometimes you have to go with the flow.)

Okay that was pretty good
i'll concede, i'm tired of arguing

you didn't even argue ..

[Mavorpen]

you didn't even argue ..

Don't encourage him to try.