Syria shoots down Turkish combat aircraft

[Grand Britannia]

Obama announced liberating troops to be sent, boots on the ground should be tomorrow.

Seriously?

Yes, along with the entire 3rd fleet.

[Yanitza]

yeah, so lets go provoke them by violating thier airspace

Airspace violations happen all the time, all over the world.

Yeah but when a nation like Syria is undergoing serious civil unrest I think somone should have had second thoughts about the reaction this time

[Blazedtown]

Seriously?

Yes, along with the entire 3rd fleet.

And the Grand Army of the Potomac.

[Transhuman Proteus]

It was over syrian waters, what do they expect?

Depending on the countries involved I would have thought a warning would be customary, with the shooting down only happening when the warning was clearly ignored.

[Yanitza]

exactly, Turkey probably did this on purpose for an excuse for itself and NATO to invade

Why would turkey want to invade Syria I see no gain from that for anybody.While I understand that Syria has the right to shoot down foreign aircraft flying threw restricted airspace but really they should have given the pilot a warning to either land or retreat back into it's own air space before taking action.

More Influence around thier neighbours? some benfit from NATO i'm sure ther is something Turkey has to gain

[Avenio]

yeah, so lets go provoke them by violating thier airspace

We don't know why the Turkish aircraft went into Syrian airspace. The pilots could have gotten lost or confused, or even undergone mechanical errors. We certainly don't know how long they were in Syrian airspace either, which could make all the difference. If the plane spent hours buzzing Syrian positions, then sure, it was probably justified, but it's far more likely that the pilots ran afoul of nervous ground forces.

[Noobubersland]

Yes, along with the entire 3rd fleet.

And the Grand Army of the Potomac.

I think the Michigan Brigade would be better

[New England and The Maritimes]

What the fuck does the Syrian Military think? They're having trouble stemming a tide of uprisings, so they go and piss all over a neighbor that could crush them within a month if they had to?

[Yanitza]

yeah, so lets go provoke them by violating thier airspace

We don't know why the Turkish aircraft went into Syrian airspace. The pilots could have gotten lost or confused, or even undergone mechanical errors. We certainly don't know how long they were in Syrian airspace either, which could make all the difference. If the plane spent hours buzzing Syrian positions, then sure, it was probably justified, but it's far more likely that the pilots ran afoul of nervous ground forces.

Bu the point is that it is not exactly a normal situation is it, considering that Syria is in a massive state of unrest and the regim is probably very paranoid of the Wordl right now becuase of the condemnation it has drawn and the actions int he Secruity council

[Zathganastan]

Why would turkey want to invade Syria I see no gain from that for anybody.While I understand that Syria has the right to shoot down foreign aircraft flying threw restricted airspace but really they should have given the pilot a warning to either land or retreat back into it's own air space before taking action.

More Influence around thier neighbours? some benfit from NATO i'm sure ther is something Turkey has to gain

Nothing that wouldn't be offset by dead turkish troops and a likely insurgency right after the Syrian regime falls right next to them.

[Transhuman Proteus]

Well this won't end well Turkey is one of the most power nations in the region while Syria is already facing a crisis back in their own homeland.

exactly, Turkey probably did this on purpose for an excuse for itself and NATO to invade

What does Turkey get out of loosing a plane and a couple of pilots and then getting involved in a war in Syria?

[Yanitza]

What the fuck does the Syrian Military think? They're having trouble stemming a tide of uprisings, so they go and piss all over a neighbor that could crush them within a month if they had to?

What the Fuck does the Turkish military think, thier neighbour is having trouble stemming the tide of uprisings so they go and provoke them?

[Costa Fiero]

The aircraft involved was an F4 Phantom. I'm not entirely sure if said aircraft was modernised or whether or not.

The Turkish Air Force has modernized them considerably. They are completely different animals from the Lead Sled that dominated the skies over Vietnam.

Then how the hell can it be shot down? I know that Syria possess a few very modern SAM systems but I would have thought the Turkish crews were better trained?

[Yanitza]

The Turkish Air Force has modernized them considerably. They are completely different animals from the Lead Sled that dominated the skies over Vietnam.

Then how the hell can it be shot down? I know that Syria possess a few very modern SAM systems but I would have thought the Turkish crews were better trained?

See this just furthers my point, I think it's a bit suspicious

[New England and The Maritimes]

The Turkish Air Force has modernized them considerably. They are completely different animals from the Lead Sled that dominated the skies over Vietnam.

Then how the hell can it be shot down? I know that Syria possess a few very modern SAM systems but I would have thought the Turkish crews were better trained?

Could be an old model being used as a trainer. If that's the case, it'd have very few expensive systems on-board.

[Avenio]

Bu the point is that it is not exactly a normal situation is it, considering that Syria is in a massive state of unrest and the regim is probably very paranoid of the Wordl right now becuase of the condemnation it has drawn and the actions int he Secruity council

No, and hence why these mistakes happen. It tends to happen in high-stress environments like this.

[Blazedtown]

Airspace violations happen all the time, all over the world.

Yeah but when a nation like Syria is undergoing serious civil unrest I think somone should have had second thoughts about the reaction this time

Syria and Turkey have border problems. Syria claims the south most province of Turkey, Hatay. So the Turkish and Syrian governments have different ideas on what counts are Syrian airspace.

[Yanitza]

More Influence around thier neighbours? some benfit from NATO i'm sure ther is something Turkey has to gain

Nothing that wouldn't be offset by dead turkish troops and a likely insurgency right after the Syrian regime falls right next to them.

Really, Maybe more favourable realtions with major NATO states, Greater influence is Syria

[Not Kony Run Uganda]

You know what I'm getting tired of Syria's bullshit, have turkey nuke em. While we're at it why not Iran too? If Russia and China say anything we NATO could say it was all Turkey. Then Turkey gets raped and we get alot of hash, problem solved.

[Noobubersland]

You know what I'm getting tired of Syria's bullshit, have turkey nuke em. While we're at it why not Iran too? If Russia and China say anything we NATO could say it was all Turkey. Then Turkey gets raped and we get alot of hash, problem solved.

Turkey doesn't have Nukes

[Zathganastan]

Nothing that wouldn't be offset by dead turkish troops and a likely insurgency right after the Syrian regime falls right next to them.

Really, Maybe more favourable realtions with major NATO states, Greater influence is Syria

An enemy literally right next door that's pissed off at them still isn't worth it.

[Blazedtown]

The Turkish Air Force has modernized them considerably. They are completely different animals from the Lead Sled that dominated the skies over Vietnam.

Then how the hell can it be shot down? I know that Syria possess a few very modern SAM systems but I would have thought the Turkish crews were better trained?

It probably would have been shot down if it was an F-22. Aircraft are still extremely vulnerable to air defense. Advanced technology is not an i win button.

[Not Kony Run Uganda]

You know what I'm getting tired of Syria's bullshit, have turkey nuke em. While we're at it why not Iran too? If Russia and China say anything we NATO could say it was all Turkey. Then Turkey gets raped and we get alot of hash, problem solved.

Turkey doesn't have Nukes

We give Turkey nukes free of charge, they do now.

[Yanitza]

Really, Maybe more favourable realtions with major NATO states, Greater influence is Syria

An enemy literally right next door that's pissed off at them still isn't worth it.

but if Turkey and NATO succed in disposing the Syrian regime and setting up a more friendly and pliable one then Turkey has much to gain

[Avenio]

but if Turkey and NATO succed in disposing the Syrian regime and setting up a more friendly and pliable one then Turkey has much to gain

What? Getting involved in the decades-long, expensive Afghanistan Conflict 2: Electric Boogaloo? That's a 'gain' for Turkey?