Why are many countries against Israel

[Greater Melayu]

I have been reading some posts and many, or at least a decent number said they would rather support Iran than Israel, I even heard non- Muslim people say that. Why are these non- Muslim countries also against Israel? Personally, I am Pro- Israel. So NS, why do you think these NS nations are Anti- Israel?

Why other countries should support Israel? They do war crimes.
Well, yes, you maybe said "That's nonsense! The Israel do less war crimes than Arab! Israel is likely innocent than...." But the other country doesn't support Arab. They support Palestine. They support opressed nation.
"What about Hamas? They terrorist! Israel have no terrorist!! NEVER! We always..." I'm sure that's absolutely nonsense.
"But Hamas is still terrorist, isn't it?" Maybe..no. I sure they categorized as "freedom fighters" if they succesfully defeat Israel.
"Israel do something crime? That nonsense. We always do best, Hamas is used children and innocent people as their shield.." That's unfounded accusation. And, well, you can see the full list in here.

[Zephie]

Calling someone a terrorist doesn't even hold any weight anymore. It's used for everything now.

Criticize the government? Terrorist!
Use too many coupons at check-out? Terrorist!
It's like how people used to use gay in a derogatory way.
1980-2000
"You don't like the president? You're gay!"
2001+
"You don't like the president? You're a terrorist!"

[Pope Joan]

Israel is a destabilizing influence in the area.

Lebanon killed a couple spies (proven fact) so in retaliation, instead of hitting military targets. Israel took out Lebanon's beaches, hotels and orchards (all to benefit its own rival hotels, beaches and orchards).

That's the kind of people they are.

They blew up public water systems in Gaza and then complained that the people there were "dirty".

A missile flied into (illegal) Jewish settlements, usually killing no one. Response? Kill dozens, or hundreds, of Palestinians.

Dragging the US into unnecessary war in Iraq. Trying to do the same in Iran. The Wall. Discriminatory laws.

Doesn't make Palestine the angels though. They're the ones blowing themselves up in the name of Allah or some shit like that.

Are there angels on the international stage?

I believe there have never been any.

[Greater Melayu]

Israel is a destabilizing influence in the area.

Lebanon killed a couple spies (proven fact) so in retaliation, instead of hitting military targets. Israel took out Lebanon's beaches, hotels and orchards (all to benefit its own rival hotels, beaches and orchards).

That's the kind of people they are.

They blew up public water systems in Gaza and then complained that the people there were "dirty".

A missile flied into (illegal) Jewish settlements, usually killing no one. Response? Kill dozens, or hundreds, of Palestinians.

Dragging the US into unnecessary war in Iraq. Trying to do the same in Iran. The Wall. Discriminatory laws.

Doesn't make Palestine the angels though. They're the ones blowing themselves up in the name of Allah or some shit like that.

Who's said Palestine is the angels? We said Israel is the devil. And, well, you hurt mostly religion when you say god is something shit.

[Vitaphone Racing]

I have been reading some posts and many, or at least a decent number said they would rather support Iran than Israel, I even heard non- Muslim people say that. Why are these non- Muslim countries also against Israel? Personally, I am Pro- Israel. So NS, why do you think these NS nations are Anti- Israel?

Why other countries should support Israel? They do war crimes.
Well, yes, you maybe said "That's nonsense! The Israel do less war crimes than Arab! Israel is likely innocent than...." But the other country doesn't support Arab. They support Palestine. They support opressed nation.
"What about Hamas? They terrorist! Israel have no terrorist!! NEVER! We always..." I'm sure that's absolutely nonsense.

Irgun is not a government organization of Israel and predates it's existance. Try again.

"But Hamas is still terrorist, isn't it?" Maybe..no. I sure they categorized as "freedom fighters" if they succesfully defeat Israel.

Freedom fighter or not, there is no excuse for their actions.

"Israel do something crime? That nonsense. We always do best, Hamas is used children and innocent people as their shield.." That's unfounded accusation. And, well, you can see the full list in here.

Protip, posting evidence from an obviously biased website isn't really worthwhile evidence. Post something which accurately retales the story or don't post at all.

[Land of the Golden Dawn]

They uses propaganda in foreign countries (foreign to Israel) to further their own conquest of the the Middle East. The creation of Israel in its self was a disgusting attempt at Internationalism, which has offered only death and fear to those who follow it. (Just look at NATO and the UN).

Even if Israel wasn't a Jewish State, I'd still have a problem with it.

But the fact that it is a Jewish State strengthens my rage.

[Greater Melayu]

Why other countries should support Israel? They do war crimes.
Well, yes, you maybe said "That's nonsense! The Israel do less war crimes than Arab! Israel is likely innocent than...." But the other country doesn't support Arab. They support Palestine. They support opressed nation.
"What about Hamas? They terrorist! Israel have no terrorist!! NEVER! We always..." I'm sure that's absolutely nonsense.

Irgun is not a government organization of Israel and predates it's existance. Try again.

Well, Hamas isn't government organization.

"But Hamas is still terrorist, isn't it?" Maybe..no. I sure they categorized as "freedom fighters" if they succesfully defeat Israel.

Freedom fighter or not, there is no excuse for their actions.

Not all of their action are bad. In fact, Israel is more bad. And, yes, there's excuse. However, you must kill someone who want kill you if you want to survive.

"Israel do something crime? That nonsense. We always do best, Hamas is used children and innocent people as their shield.." That's unfounded accusation. And, well, you can see the full list in here.

Protip, posting evidence from an obviously biased website isn't really worthwhile evidence. Post something which accurately retales the story or don't post at all.

This?
Or this?

[Death Metal]

Calling someone a terrorist doesn't even hold any weight anymore. It's used for everything now.

Criticize the government? Terrorist!
Use too many coupons at check-out? Terrorist!
It's like how people used to use gay in a derogatory way.
1980-2000
"You don't like the president? You're gay!"
2001+
"You don't like the president? You're a terrorist!"

Well, 2001-2005, it was "You're a gay terrorist".

[Millerainia]

I love it how people are fighting over a county that is smaller than the US state of New Jersey. (Israel- 8,019/8,522 sq mi (depending on if you count occupied territories) New Jesery- 8,721 sq mi) I would understand if it was a big area, the size of like Florida, but it's tiny. I know asking people to move is out of the question, but why can't these people just live under the Jewish government? It's not like they wouldn't have freedoms, they'd have more than if they did live in Syria or any of the surrounding Arab nations. Either that or split it, make Jerusalem an international city that rules itself like a microstate. Muslims, Jews and other minority groups live in American under the predominately Christian government, and America is a whole lot bigger.

[Englonia]

If israel & palestine ar such (BLEEP)cakes, let the uk occupy both so they wont fight. they have done it before, so they should do it again so there wont be anymore anti-semetic vs. anti-arab BS. and hey, if "STFU, WE DO WHAT WE WANT" is such a bad foreign policy, why not be like other pro-USA states and use a "WE DO WHAT UNCLE SAM TELLS US" foreign policy.

P.s. im not being anti-semetic, i do not mean to, im just suggesting a solution to the war between the 2 nations.

[Vitaphone Racing]

Irgun is not a government organization of Israel and predates it's existance. Try again.

Well, Hamas isn't government organization.

Hamas IS the government. They control the Gaza and have considerable presence in the west bank. see here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas

Freedom fighter or not, there is no excuse for their actions.

Not all of their action are bad. In fact, Israel is more bad. And, yes, there's excuse. However, you must kill someone who want kill you if you want to survive.

Whether or not Israel is "more bad" is up for debate. Hamas has committed hundreds of unprovoked attacks on Israel since 2008 alone, so no, there is no excuse. If you think Hamas' actions are excusable then surely you feel the same way about Israel bombing Hamas' military assets.

Protip, posting evidence from an obviously biased website isn't really worthwhile evidence. Post something which accurately retales the story or don't post at all.

[url]This[/url]?
Or this?

Both of those are a far cry from the crap you originally posted.

I'd also remove the first link, the images in that aren't suitable for this forum I'm afraid.

[Greater Melayu]

I love it how people are fighting over a county that is smaller than the US state of New Jersey. (Israel- 8,019/8,522 sq mi (depending on if you count occupied territories) New Jesery- 8,721 sq mi) I would understand if it was a big area, the size of like Florida, but it's tiny. I know asking people to move is out of the question, but why can't these people just live under the Jewish government? It's not like they wouldn't have freedoms, they'd have more if they did live in Syria than any of the surrounding Arab nations. Either than or split it, make Jerusalem an international city that rules itself like a microstate. Muslims, Jews and other minority groups live in American under the predominately Christian government, and America is a whole lot bigger.

Well, I'll explain why.
You're in home now. With your family. But suddenly owner of the house before you come to your home, and go to bed. You shouted him away, but the man said, "Hey, I was here four years ago. Bible says I must go back, then I'm back. Do not worry, you will be left alive. I will be the head of the family in this house."
You say, "I've buy this house! I'm the owner!"
He say, "You never have any ownership! I've live here before!"
So you came to the court. But the judge say, "Let him live there."
WTF. That's horror story.

[Greater Melayu]

Well, Hamas isn't government organization.

Hamas IS the government. They control the Gaza and have considerable presence in the west bank. see here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas

But not Palestinian Authority. And, however, Mossad is should be considered as terrorist.

Freedom fighter or not, there is no excuse for their actions.
Not all of their action are bad. In fact, Israel is more bad. And, yes, there's excuse. However, you must kill someone who want kill you if you want to survive.

Whether or not Israel is "more bad" is up for debate. Hamas has committed hundreds of unprovoked attacks on Israel since 2008 alone, so no, there is no excuse. If you think Hamas' actions are excusable then surely you feel the same way about Israel bombing Hamas' military assets.

uprovoked? Funny. Israel take their homeland.

Protip, posting evidence from an obviously biased website isn't really worthwhile evidence. Post something which accurately retales the story or don't post at all.

[url]This[/url]?
Or this?

Both of those are a far cry from the crap you originally posted.

I'd also remove the first link, the images in that aren't suitable for this forum I'm afraid.[/quote]
But that's right, right? And if not, where again I had to get the news Israeli atrocities against human rights? Haaretz?

[Vitaphone Racing]

Hamas IS the government. They control the Gaza and have considerable presence in the west bank. see here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas

But not Palestinian Authority. And, however, Mossad is should be considered as terrorist.

As far as the world is concerned, Hamas IS the authority in the Gaza. If you consider Mossad a terrorist organization then that's up to you.

Whether or not Israel is "more bad" is up for debate. Hamas has committed hundreds of unprovoked attacks on Israel since 2008 alone, so no, there is no excuse. If you think Hamas' actions are excusable then surely you feel the same way about Israel bombing Hamas' military assets.

uprovoked? Funny. Israel take their homeland.

Jews and Muslims were forced out of that region by the other for years. No side can claim it as their homeland. Furthermore, hanging onto the past doesn't alter the present and unless both states are recognized, there will always be conflict.

[url]This[/url]?
Or this?

Both of those are a far cry from the crap you originally posted.

I'd also remove the first link, the images in that aren't suitable for this forum I'm afraid.

But that's right, right? And if not, where again I had to get the news Israeli atrocities against human rights? Haaretz?[/quote]
The first one is right, the second one is pretty biased but it's sort of right. You still are yet to acknowledge any Palestinian war crimes, like placing rockets in mosques or bombing Israeli schools.

Once you acknowledge that, you'll understand why no sides have morality on their side, and then you'll support a two state solution and then I'll be happy.

[Millerainia]

I love it how people are fighting over a county that is smaller than the US state of New Jersey. (Israel- 8,019/8,522 sq mi (depending on if you count occupied territories) New Jesery- 8,721 sq mi) I would understand if it was a big area, the size of like Florida, but it's tiny. I know asking people to move is out of the question, but why can't these people just live under the Jewish government? It's not like they wouldn't have freedoms, they'd have more if they did live in Syria than any of the surrounding Arab nations. Either than or split it, make Jerusalem an international city that rules itself like a microstate. Muslims, Jews and other minority groups live in American under the predominately Christian government, and America is a whole lot bigger.

Well, I'll explain why.
You're in home now. With your family. But suddenly owner of the house before you come to your home, and go to bed. You shouted him away, but the man said, "Hey, I was here four years ago. Bible says I must go back, then I'm back. Do not worry, you will be left alive. I will be the head of the family in this house."
You say, "I've buy this house! I'm the owner!"
He say, "You never have any ownership! I've live here before!"
So you came to the court. But the judge say, "Let him live there."
WTF. That's horror story.

Sad story. I said that I understand you shouldn't move the people and I'm not saying that it's not a bad thing they do,... reminds me of the Native Americans. Except the Native Americans are given space to live and pay no federal or state taxes. Compromises can be met with the Palestinians. They should set up the country like what they did in Belfast, Ireland. Big fence, same country. Israel is the only country in the region ranked "Free" by Freedom House based on the level of civil liberties and political rights; the "Palestinian Authority-Administered Territories" was ranked "Not Free.

[Greater Melayu]

Well, I'll explain why.
You're in home now. With your family. But suddenly owner of the house before you come to your home, and go to bed. You shouted him away, but the man said, "Hey, I was here four years ago. Bible says I must go back, then I'm back. Do not worry, you will be left alive. I will be the head of the family in this house."
You say, "I've buy this house! I'm the owner!"
He say, "You never have any ownership! I've live here before!"
So you came to the court. But the judge say, "Let him live there."
WTF. That's horror story.

Sad story. I said that I understand you shouldn't move the people and I'm not saying that it's not a bad thing they do,... reminds me of the Native Americans. Except the Native Americans are given space to live and pay no federal or state taxes.

Compromises can be met with the Palestinians. They should set up the country like what they did in Belfast, Ireland. Big fence, same country.

Very troublesome. Why not just two-state solution? Why should Arabs be under Jewish? If so, I can propose the Jews under Arab.

Israel is the only country in the region ranked "Free" by Freedom House based on the level of civil liberties and political rights;

Just for Jewish. Are Arabs also have freedom in Israel?

[Greater Melayu]

But not Palestinian Authority. And, however, Mossad is should be considered as terrorist.

As far as the world is concerned, Hamas IS the authority in the Gaza. If you consider Mossad a terrorist organization then that's up to you.

In Gaza. So, why?

Jews and Muslims were forced out of that region by the other for years. No side can claim it as their homeland. Furthermore, hanging onto the past doesn't alter the present and unless both states are recognized, there will always be conflict.

I'm support two state solution. But I guess Palestine should get more. 60 %. That's called "fair". Because Palestine is the real nation here. Arabs are manage these Holy Land for thousand years. Well, there's Judea Kingdom, but that's 3000 years ago.

But that's right, right? And if not, where again I had to get the news Israeli atrocities against human rights? Haaretz?

The first one is right, the second one is pretty biased but it's sort of right. You still are yet to acknowledge any Palestinian war crimes, like placing rockets in mosques or bombing Israeli schools.

Once you acknowledge that, you'll understand why no sides have morality on their side, and then you'll support a two state solution and then I'll be happy.

Palestine Warcrime is have excuse. They will resist if you're disturb them. But, like I said before, I support two state solution, but no to Jewish Settlements.

[The Horror Channel]

Israel is a nation of weenies, that's why.

[Jafas United]

A bunch of bigoted, racist, xenophobic religious fundamentalists who founded their own country to avoid horrendous persecution and then without a hint of irony turned around and carved the world's last remaining apartheid regime which acts with no regard for int'l law, human rights, or basic civil liberties for ALL residents (not just Jews)?

What's not to loathe?

If anything, I'd loathe your utter ignorance. Your unfounded and untrue claims about Israel really shows your bigotry.

[Jafas United]

Israel is a nation of weenies, that's why.

Care to elaborate?

[Anitgrum]

Dragging the US into unnecessary war in Iraq.

Source for the bold claim that Israel dragged the U.S in two the second gulf war.

[Jafas United]

I think you must be in love with me or something, I find it flattering that you are so eager to hear my opinions about everything. You infatuation must be inhibiting your reading abilities however; I don't recall saying that it's okay because everybody does it, nor that democracy makes Israel the top of the pile.

You should work on your trolling and flamebaiting and come at me another time, I'm way out of your league kiddo.

you didn't answer my question

Why should he answer a question which isn't relevant at all to this thread?

[Maurepas]

I'm not necessarily "Anti-Israel", per se, I actually don't give a damn about the entire region as a whole. I fail to see why it matters to this side of the Atlantic.

I'm not Anti-Israel, I'm Anti-the-West-being-involved-in-the-slightest.

[Death Metal]

I fail to see why it matters to this side of the Atlantic.

Westerners wanting to visit there for religious reasons may have something to do with it.

[Maurepas]

I fail to see why it matters to this side of the Atlantic.

Westerners wanting to visit there for religious reasons may have something to do with it.

That seems a poor reason to me to stick one's nose in a warzone.