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Postby JonathanAtopia » Wed Jun 20, 2012 7:31 am

Attorney Gernal Holder is having a comptet vote today and just breaking now Obama has asserted his privilege to those documents. A comment on the story on Yahoo said this
"IMPECHMENT" what do you guys think

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Postby Tubbsalot » Wed Jun 20, 2012 7:33 am

How is it that your posts are still utterly unreadable even after almost 400 tries?
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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Jun 20, 2012 7:39 am

JonathanAtopia wrote:Attorney Gernal Holder is having a comptet vote today and just breaking now Obama has asserted his privilege to those documents. A comment on the story on Yahoo said this
"IMPECHMENT" what do you guys think

Oh, a "contempt vote"? :roll: How is exerting executive privilege an impeachable offense?
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Postby Samuraikoku » Wed Jun 20, 2012 7:39 am

Not sure what to make of this.

Oh well.

Impeach Obama! *nods*

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Postby L Ron Cupboard » Wed Jun 20, 2012 7:41 am

You folks in the US really need to sort out your education system if the OP is a representative example.
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Postby Risottia » Wed Jun 20, 2012 7:42 am

I demand sauce.

OBAMA STOLE ME SAUCE! IMPEACH OBAMA! Wait, what?

L Ron Cupboard wrote:You folks in the US really need to sort out your education system if the OP is a representative example.

It's clear proof their democracy doesn't work. That's Her Majesty has His Excellency The Governor Barry O'Bama, Earl of Honolulu, Prince of Kenya, Viscount of Cork, representing the legitimate power over there. :D
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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Jun 20, 2012 7:42 am

L Ron Cupboard wrote:You folks in the US really need to sort out your education system if the OP is a representative example.

He's not.
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Postby Divair » Wed Jun 20, 2012 7:42 am

Tubbsalot wrote:How is it that your posts are still utterly unreadable even after almost 400 tries?

Some people never learn English.

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Postby Khadgar » Wed Jun 20, 2012 7:42 am

I'm sorry, do you have a link or something coherent to say?

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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Jun 20, 2012 7:43 am

Khadgar wrote:I'm sorry, do you have a link or something coherent to say?

The NY Times has a "breaking news" headline about the executive privilege but no article yet.
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Postby Khadgar » Wed Jun 20, 2012 7:51 am

Divair wrote:I believe he is talking about this:
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/20 ... documents/


Huh, they still let that loon Issa out by himself? Yeesh. Though I am curious as to what is so interesting that the white house doesn't want the documents disclosed. Where's wikileaks when you need 'em?

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Khadgar wrote:
Divair wrote:I believe he is talking about this:
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/20 ... documents/


Huh, they still let that loon Issa out by himself? Yeesh. Though I am curious as to what is so interesting that the white house doesn't want the documents disclosed. Where's wikileaks when you need 'em?

Being persecuted for rape or being held by the CIA. *Nods*

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Postby Brewdomia » Wed Jun 20, 2012 7:55 am

Executive Privilege.

Good, these people will do anything to discredit the administration, so telling them to get the fuck back is a terrific move by The President.

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Postby JonathanAtopia » Wed Jun 20, 2012 7:57 am

But why is he holding documents that can do this
http://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/contempt_of_Congress

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Postby Gauntleted Fist » Wed Jun 20, 2012 8:02 am

JonathanAtopia wrote:But why is he holding documents that can do this
http://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/contempt_of_Congress

Because Congress won't hold the President in contempt.

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Postby Mexo » Wed Jun 20, 2012 8:02 am

Brewdomia wrote:Executive Privilege.

Good, these people will do anything to discredit the administration, so telling them to get the fuck back is a terrific move by The President.


Good, the administration just discredited themselves. It is sad that you think holding documents and halting a congressional investigation is a terrific move.
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JonathanAtopia
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Postby JonathanAtopia » Wed Jun 20, 2012 8:03 am

I meant Holder

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Postby Gauntleted Fist » Wed Jun 20, 2012 8:03 am

JonathanAtopia wrote:I meant Holder

Holder isn't the one telling Congress they can't have the documents. That would be the President.

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Postby Ifreann » Wed Jun 20, 2012 8:03 am

JonathanAtopia wrote:Attorney Gernal Holder is having a comptet vote today and just breaking now Obama has asserted his privilege to those documents. A comment on the story on Yahoo said this
"IMPECHMENT" what do you guys think

Pretty much this


Farnhamia wrote:
JonathanAtopia wrote:Attorney Gernal Holder is having a comptet vote today and just breaking now Obama has asserted his privilege to those documents. A comment on the story on Yahoo said this
"IMPECHMENT" what do you guys think

Oh, a "contempt vote"? :roll: How is exerting executive privilege an impeachable offense?

I would think that the President using presidential powers would be the sort of thing you can't be impeached for.

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Postby You-Gi-Owe » Wed Jun 20, 2012 8:04 am

JonathanAtopia wrote:Attorney Gernal Holder is having a comptet vote today and just breaking now Obama has asserted his privilege to those documents. A comment on the story on Yahoo said this
"IMPECHMENT" what do you guys think

It's jumping the gun with "impeachment". If, on the other hand it becomes, "obstruction of justice" with the President's knowing participation....

I really don't know why the President is helping Holder out, unless it's for the Administration's reputation or that he figures in it somehow.

I rather hope that it just remains a dark enough cloud over their heads to hurt their re-election chances. And Holder, if guilty, should be nailed to the wall by the incoming Romney Administration.
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Postby Ashmoria » Wed Jun 20, 2012 8:05 am

the contempt vote is stupid grandstanding.

the executive branch always claims executive immunity. every freaking president does and congress hates it.

*shrug*
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Jun 20, 2012 8:05 am

Gauntleted Fist wrote:
JonathanAtopia wrote:I meant Holder

Holder isn't the one telling Congress they can't have the documents. That would be the President.

That'd be shooting the messenger. And not even the right messenger, according to that ABC article the messenger was deputy AG James Cole. You can't very well find him in contempt of congress for something his boss's boss did.

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Postby You-Gi-Owe » Wed Jun 20, 2012 8:06 am

Ifreann wrote:
JonathanAtopia wrote:Attorney Gernal Holder is having a comptet vote today and just breaking now Obama has asserted his privilege to those documents. A comment on the story on Yahoo said this
"IMPECHMENT" what do you guys think

Pretty much this


Farnhamia wrote:Oh, a "contempt vote"? :roll: How is exerting executive privilege an impeachable offense?

I would think that the President using presidential powers would be the sort of thing you can't be impeached for.

It might go to SCOTUS, to get the Justice Dept./Administration to lawfully justify the Executive Priviledge.
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