"President Obama Must Be Defeated"

[Napkiraly]

Oh really? Maybe he's going to discover that the Earth is round next.

As a lot of people on here have been saying, this professor is an idiot. If anyone actually took hims seriously Romney would win, which would be a big disaster. Obama isn't perfect, however he's the best the US has right now and needs to be reelected.

Yes, more spending, unconstitutional Obamacare and big government is going to save us!

1) Said spending prevented the economy from collapsing, the auto industry should be especially thankful since they are now doing a lot better than they have in a long time. You spend/invest during recessions to spur growth, then during economic growth you can cut spending/ have austerity to balance the budget as there is now a better and more active job market. Also remember, a good portion of that spending goes towards funding those crusades interventions you love to support so much.
2) Obamacare should have been true universal healthcare. Access to healthcare is a right, not a privilege. Not to mention its actually good for the economy.
3) A strong central government is a good thing, though obviously it shouldn't be too powerful. Big government in America is merely mismanaged, that is why its damaging. There are other nations with big governments and they aren't doing half bad.

[Greed and Death]

Don't be narrow minded, we have enough time to November to find an alternate candidate. Just because the Republicans and Democrats have candidates doesn't mean some average-Joe can't swoon the nation.

No, we really don't. The problem is yes, Obama has been a disappointment in many ways, but Romney would be more of a disappointment.

The problem with the lessor of evils mind set is it keeps you from electing a good.
Sometimes the big evil is needed so people look for the good.

[Divair]

Oh really? Maybe he's going to discover that the Earth is round next.


Yes, more spending, unconstitutional Obamacare and big government is going to save us!

Don't be silly, Hippo. You're Finnish.

Can he not be? I'm sure all the Scandinavians are facepalming at everything he says.

[Ashmoria]

the election of george bush was supposed to be the wakeup call to america. instead we re-elected him and are thinking of giving him a 3rd term with mitt romney.

he is very wrong.

We already gave him a 3rd term with Obama. The continued erosion of civil liberties mixed with an accelerated transfer of wealth to the upper-classes - arguably the only thing Obama has improved upon Bush was LGBT rights. In many ways he's even to the right of Bush. Bush's Administration wanted some degree of stimulus and bailouts going directly into the pockets of the underwater mortgage owners, but it was explicitly thanks to Obama that this did not happen. That is scary.

Mitt Romney isn't Bush III. He would be Bush IV: Ultra-Enhanced Edition.

It's a drastic shame that Bernie Sanders isn't running. Because Obama's betrayal of liberalism in favour of intense neoliberalism has cut the balls off a powerful left-wing platform. For some obscure reason, rather than outright declaring "Yes, we are hugely disappointed with what we've gotten, we voted progressive liberal and got a conservative neolib continuation of the previous admin", the moderate left-wing has attempted to square the circle and resolve the cognitive dissonance with excuses and excuses. Republican blockades do not explain why BP wasn't punished anywhere near hard enough, why the war on drugs is being doubly enhanced, why the crusades abroad are still going full-pelt, why the Fed has barely even been touched by Congress, why the NDAA passed, why drone strikes have begun, why he has kill lists, and so on and so on and so on (and oh how much I could go on v_v).

And I'm not even a "liberal" really! Though I feel closer bound to the left than I do to the right, I'm generally a libertarian (though I probably class as one of those heathen socialists over there in the US). I just find this wholesale collective Stockholm Syndrome extremely painful to witness. The left-wing is dying and decaying. The middle and lower-classes are being looted in a grand daylight robbery by an established kleptocracy of banking cartels.

Choosing the lesser of two evils in game theory always ultimately leads to more evil.

strangely enough the next american president will be an american president. we dont stray far from our basic american values.

[Ashmoria]

Obama and Bush made the same mistake. They surrounded themselves with incompetent and corrupt people and got the same results. Romney will not make that mistake!

this is a joke right?

romney has already made that mistake.

[Laerod]

Don't be silly, Hippo. You're Finnish.

Can he not be? I'm sure all the Scandinavians are facepalming at everything he says.

Scandinavia doesn't include Finland...

[Divair]

Can he not be? I'm sure all the Scandinavians are facepalming at everything he says.

Scandinavia doesn't include Finland...

Most people consider it to be for three reasons.

A. Large presence of Swedes in Finland.
B. Connection to the other Scandinavian nations throughout history.
C. Similarity.

[Laerod]

Scandinavia doesn't include Finland...

Most people consider it to be for three reasons.

A. Large presence of Swedes in Finland.
B. Connection to the other Scandinavian nations throughout history.
C. Similarity.

It's Nordic, not Scandinavian. Scandinavia is Denmark, Norway, and Sweden and that's it. Nordic includes Finland, Faroe Islands, and Iceland, possibly Estonia.

[Ashmoria]

Complain about Obama whatever you will, but insisting he be replaced by an out of touch flip-flopper who lacks the balls to take a stand against his own constituents, much less any foreign figures? Seriously?

a man who wont even tell you the specifics of what he plans to do (today). who wants to vote for a guy you dont believe when he says where he stands? every other politician will at least take a stand and give out details of the plans he has.

[Ashmoria]

According to Prof. Roberto Unger of Harvard Law School and former professsor to President Obama, the president must be defeated. This video was posted on YouTube earlier today, and when I watched I heard the words of Teddy Roosevelt and Woodrow Wilson in his speech. Many of the Progessive ideology of the early nineteeth century was heard in the man's words. He spoke of a "political reversal" that gives powers back to the people of America. The question is: Was Prof. Unger right or wrong?
Here is the link: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/obama-harvard-professor-defeated-article-1.1097944

If and only if a more progressive person wold win. Mit romni wold be a disatser

aye

if you want a more progressive president you have to start NOW in promoting a true progressive democrat for '16. you cant conjure up a great progressive candidate who will get elected 139 days from now.

[Orleania]

If and only if a more progressive person wold win. Mit romni wold be a disatser

aye

if you want a more progressive president you have to start NOW in promoting a true progressive democrat for '16. you cant conjure up a great progressive candidate who will get elected 139 days from now.

We haven't seen a Progessive since the days of FDR, although many call him a Socialist, but he was actually a Progessive. America needs to breed Progessive minds like rabbits for '16. I wish Hillary Clinton would run again...

[Ashmoria]

aye

if you want a more progressive president you have to start NOW in promoting a true progressive democrat for '16. you cant conjure up a great progressive candidate who will get elected 139 days from now.

We haven't seen a Progessive since the days of FDR, although many call him a Socialist, but he was actually a Progessive. America needs to breed Progessive minds like rabbits for '16. I wish Hillary Clinton would run again...

hillary wouldnt be more progressive.

just like whining about 3rd parties not getting votes, you dont get to whine about there not being true democratic progressives. if you want progressive candidates you have to go out and promote them. you have to convince the public that that is what we need. good candidates dont come out of nowhere. they need support.

[Krownsinburg]

Vote Obama 2012 if you want America to die.

[Orleania]

We haven't seen a Progessive since the days of FDR, although many call him a Socialist, but he was actually a Progessive. America needs to breed Progessive minds like rabbits for '16. I wish Hillary Clinton would run again...

hillary wouldnt be more progressive.

just like whining about 3rd parties not getting votes, you dont get to whine about there not being true democratic progressives. if you want progressive candidates you have to go out and promote them. you have to convince the public that that is what we need. good candidates dont come out of nowhere. they need support.

Where are these Progessive candidates? I don't see anyone with Progessive agendas on CNN or MSNBC gaining notoriety.

[Divair]

Vote Obama 2012 if you want America to die.

Such a good argument.

[Divair]

hillary wouldnt be more progressive.

just like whining about 3rd parties not getting votes, you dont get to whine about there not being true democratic progressives. if you want progressive candidates you have to go out and promote them. you have to convince the public that that is what we need. good candidates dont come out of nowhere. they need support.

Where are these Progessive candidates? I don't see anyone with Progessive agendas on CNN or MSNBC gaining notoriety.

Bernie Sanders 2016.
Jared Polis 2016.
Pete Stark 2016.


I'd vote for those three instantly.

[Laerod]

Vote Obama 2012 if you want America to die. :)

Indeed, everyone should vote for Obama. People who don't want America to die should vote for Obama too.

[Ifreann]

Where are these Progessive candidates? I don't see anyone with Progessive agendas on CNN or MSNBC gaining notoriety.

Bernie Sanders 2016.
Jared Polis 2016.
Pete Stark 2016.


I'd vote for those three instantly.

Vote early. Vote often.

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Vote Obama 2012 if you want America to die.

Indeed, everyone should vote for Obama. People who don't want America to die should vote for Obama too.

Multiple times. And from beyond the grave. And from abroad.

[Orleania]

Where are these Progessive candidates? I don't see anyone with Progessive agendas on CNN or MSNBC gaining notoriety.

Bernie Sanders 2016.
Jared Polis 2016.
Pete Stark 2016.


I'd vote for those three instantly.

2/3 are old white males. We need young, fresh, new faces in power not some 50 year old man who won't give up his seat in Congress.

[Divair]

Bernie Sanders 2016.
Jared Polis 2016.
Pete Stark 2016.


I'd vote for those three instantly.

2/3 are old white males. We need young, fresh, new faces in power not some 50 year old man who won't give up his seat in Congress.

FDR was an old white male

[Laerod]

Indeed, everyone should vote for Obama. People who don't want America to die should vote for Obama too.

Multiple times. And from beyond the grave. And from abroad.

I'll be doing the latter, incidentally =P

[Orleania]

2/3 are old white males. We need young, fresh, new faces in power not some 50 year old man who won't give up his seat in Congress.

FDR was an old white male

FDR actually established agencies and departments that work today. And I never said I had a problem with the era of FDR, those politicians worked together to accomplish things.

[Ashmoria]

hillary wouldnt be more progressive.

just like whining about 3rd parties not getting votes, you dont get to whine about there not being true democratic progressives. if you want progressive candidates you have to go out and promote them. you have to convince the public that that is what we need. good candidates dont come out of nowhere. they need support.

Where are these Progessive candidates? I don't see anyone with Progessive agendas on CNN or MSNBC gaining notoriety.

me either. at least not among the big likelies of '16. but there ARE progressive democrats. if more people supported progressive groups, caucuses, movements then more candidates would emerge.

you have to do the ground work if you want your ideas to win the day.

[Divair]

FDR was an old white male

FDR actually established agencies and departments that work today. And I never said I had a problem with the era of FDR, those politicians worked together to accomplish things.

And I'm sure the three I mentioned would do the same.

[Orleania]

Where are these Progessive candidates? I don't see anyone with Progessive agendas on CNN or MSNBC gaining notoriety.

me either. at least not among the big likelies of '16. but there ARE progressive democrats. if more people supported progressive groups, caucuses, movements then more candidates would emerge.

you have to do the ground work if you want your ideas to win the day.

I follow the Congressional Progessive group on Twitter! They are there put no one is stepping up to the incumbent. His own party is afraid to say Obama is wrong.