LGB does not include T

[Pottslande]

Likewise, the definition of the chronophilias can change depending on various ages of consent if they are used purely to define non distressed people that fall under the same category.

Then what would you call people who are distressed by being attracted to the same sex?

That would be in a completely different category, since the person has other problems not relating to fetishes at all.

[Raeyh]

To be fair pedophiles do not deserve rights so why people are comparing lgbts to pedophiles and people who perform acts of beastality is beyond me

Even mass murderers have some rights. Nobody deserves no rights.

[Nation of Fortune]

To be fair pedophiles do not deserve rights so why people are comparing lgbts to pedophiles and people who perform acts of beastality is beyond me

Because people, usually close minded, want to equate pedophiles and zoophiles and what not to normal people in order to feel better about their baseless hatred and bigotry

[Xsyne]

....

Alright, do you see the "philia" at the end of "pedophilia"? (I've never heard of pedosexual, possibly because it's a term used by people who want to compare homosexuality with pedophilia, which is the CORRECT name). Philia identifies the word as a fetish.

Oh, so teleiophilia is a fetish is it?

Go look up what that means, then you can come back and retry your argument. There are flaws in the rest of it, but I won't bother going through them yet because I have a feeling you might want to re-state your argument soon enough.

Yeah, uh.

The people who actually use the word "teleiophilia" (basically a handful of sexologists and no one else) consider it a fetish.

[Dussianrepublic]

Well okay but they should only have the minimum

[Person012345]

Oh, so teleiophilia is a fetish is it?

Go look up what that means, then you can come back and retry your argument. There are flaws in the rest of it, but I won't bother going through them yet because I have a feeling you might want to re-state your argument soon enough.

I know what teleiophilia is actually, and normally the chronophilias are used to describe individuals of various ages attracted to the "wrong" age group. Again, this term is only used if it causes distress in an individual, such as with pedophilia. Technically throughout most of my teen years I could have been labeled as a teleiophilia, but since I did not pursue my interests and it did not cause distress in my life I am not.

No, you're completely incorrect. See my edit, look up gynephilia and androphilia. You've got the wrong definition of philia, and also I believe the wrong definition of fetish.

Philia does not make something a disorder. There are philias for practically everything. Now, you're getting confused because something is a disorder in psychiatry only when it causes distress and such. Which also means that paedophilia, when it does not cause distress to anyone, is not a disorder in psychiatry. The reason for this is that there's nothing a psychiatrist can do for a paedophile any more than they can do for a homosexual or a heterosexual. All a psychiatrist can do is help the person either deal with any problems that arise from self-hatred caused by society or whatever, or help the paedophile deal with his desires and lessen the risk of him offending. In paedophiles where these are not an issue? It's still paedophilia, it's just not a psychiatric disorder.

And frankly, it's beside the point. What do you want to call someone who is sexually attracted to children, but in which it does not cause any problems? Cause I can go ahead and use that word instead if you prefer.

[Person012345]

Oh, so teleiophilia is a fetish is it?

Go look up what that means, then you can come back and retry your argument. There are flaws in the rest of it, but I won't bother going through them yet because I have a feeling you might want to re-state your argument soon enough.

Yeah, uh.

The people who actually use the word "teleiophilia" (basically a handful of sexologists and no one else) consider it a fetish.

No they don't.

[Pottslande]

To be fair pedophiles do not deserve rights so why people are comparing lgbts to pedophiles and people who perform acts of beastality is beyond me

Because people, usually close minded, want to equate pedophiles and zoophiles and what not to normal people in order to feel better about their baseless hatred and bigotry

And also because they don't have a good grasp on modern psychological terminology. /deskflip

[Free South Califas]

Alright, do you see the "philia" at the end of "pedophilia"? (I've never heard of pedosexual, possibly because it's a term used by people who want to compare homosexuality with pedophilia, which is the CORRECT name). Philia identifies the word as a fetish.

No, it just means "child lover." It happens to be lover in the romantic/erotic sense, but that has nothing to do with the suffix philia.

etymology =/= definition

Or do you think that kindergarten means "children garden"?

[Galla-]

....

Alright, do you see the "philia" at the end of "pedophilia"? (I've never heard of pedosexual, possibly because it's a term used by people who want to compare homosexuality with pedophilia, which is the CORRECT name). Philia identifies the word as a fetish.

Oh, so teleiophilia is a fetish is it?

Go look up what that means, then you can come back and retry your argument. There are flaws in the rest of it, but I won't bother going through them yet because I have a feeling you might want to re-state your argument soon enough.

Edit: I suppose I might as well suggest looking up gynephilia and androphilia too.

If it ends in -philia, it is a fetish.

Paedophilia is a fetish, not an orientation.

[Raeyh]

To be fair pedophiles do not deserve rights so why people are comparing lgbts to pedophiles and people who perform acts of beastality is beyond me

Because people, usually close minded, want to equate pedophiles and zoophiles and what not to normal people in order to feel better about their baseless hatred and bigotry

Do you not see any irony in this statement or do you not know what hatred and bigotry is?

Or do you think that kindergarten means "children garden"?

That what it is, though. In a poetic sort of way. Like potatoes being apples of the earth in French.

[Socialdemokraterne]

Then what would you call people who are distressed by being attracted to the same sex?

That would be in a completely different category, since the person has other problems not relating to fetishes at all.

Actually, we've got a term for just such a situation: egodystonic sexual orientation. It carries the ICD-10 code F66.1, and its description is as follows:

The gender identity or sexual preference (heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual, or prepubertal) is not in doubt, but the individual wishes it were different because of associated psychological and behavioural disorders, and may seek treatment in order to change it.

Also, here's the ICD-10 definition of fetishism, more reliable than the one I posted earlier:

Fetishism

Reliance on some non-living object as a stimulus for sexual arousal and sexual gratification. Many fetishes are extensions of the human body, such as articles of clothing or footwear. Other common examples are characterized by some particular texture such as rubber, plastic or leather. Fetish objects vary in their importance to the individual. In some cases they simply serve to enhance sexual excitement achieved in ordinary ways (e.g. having the partner wear a particular garment).

Source: http://apps.who.int/classifications/icd ... n#/F60-F69

[Pottslande]

That would be in a completely different category, since the person has other problems not relating to fetishes at all.

Actually, we've got a term for just such a situation: egodystonic sexual orientation. It carries the ICD-10 code F66.1, and its description is as follows:

The gender identity or sexual preference (heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual, or prepubertal) is not in doubt, but the individual wishes it were different because of associated psychological and behavioural disorders, and may seek treatment in order to change it.

Right, but it's not considered a fetish at all, or a sexuality. It's something on top of the fetish or sexuality.

[Dussianrepublic]

Basically we need to appreciate the people who maybe are transsexual and incorporate them into society I'm not saying its right or wrong it's just it's their body and it's one of their rights to have it used and changed as they want it to be

[Person012345]

To be fair pedophiles do not deserve rights so why people are comparing lgbts to pedophiles and people who perform acts of beastality is beyond me

What I was initially going to respond to this would most certainly be considered flaming so I won't. But I suggest you revise your statement not to be quite such a blanket statement.

It depends on what you meant, but may I suggest instead:
Paedophiles do not deserve the right to perform sexual acts on children
or
Child abusers do not deserve rights.

[Dussianrepublic]

Child abuses do not deserve many rights and I never ment to hurt anyone's feelings

[Pottslande]

To be fair pedophiles do not deserve rights so why people are comparing lgbts to pedophiles and people who perform acts of beastality is beyond me

What I was initially going to respond to this would most certainly be considered flaming so I won't. But I suggest you revise your statement not to be quite such a blanket statement.

It depends on what you meant, but may I suggest instead:
Paedophiles do not deserve the right to perform sexual acts on children
or
Child abusers do not deserve rights.

It...seemed pretty clear to me what he meant.

If you're actually not liking the fact that he's upset that people are comparing LGBTs to pedos/beastials, just say that.

[Socialdemokraterne]

Right, but it's not considered a fetish at all, or a sexuality. It's something on top of the fetish or sexuality.

Oh, I know. It says so right in the ICD-10 description. But that's the answer to Rayeh's question about what one would call a homosexual who was distressed about being such.

[Raeyh]

Child abusers do not deserve rights

... so let's torture them for fun?

[Friendship Island]

I've never really been a religious person, but I still feel there is some unity one must feel within themselves and their body. One should not mar their body, not because a deity sitting on a cloud with a cotton candy beard and a shotgun tells you not to, but because every well thought philosophy starts with the individual and thusly one is obliged not to alter the individual.

Really? Well, I don't know your gender or sexuality, but let's say you're a girl. But you don't feel like a girl. Your entire life you've FELT like a boy. You can't feel unity with your body, if you don't feel like the right gender. You're not a transexual, so you could never say what it feels like to not have the right gender. Neither can I, either, but it's pretty obvious that they wouldn't be able to feel UNITY with it if it feels WRONG.

[Person012345]

Oh, so teleiophilia is a fetish is it?

Go look up what that means, then you can come back and retry your argument. There are flaws in the rest of it, but I won't bother going through them yet because I have a feeling you might want to re-state your argument soon enough.

Edit: I suppose I might as well suggest looking up gynephilia and androphilia too.

If it ends in -philia, it is a fetish.

Paedophilia is a fetish, not an orientation.

Way to just repeat the point without addressing the post.

This just isn't true, and saying it over and over isn't going to make it true.

[Dussianrepublic]

It's like it's a crime to rape people it's a crime to rape chikdren it's not a crime to be gay bisexual or a lesbeien or a transsexual and I don't like the. Fact that people are comparing it to some one who not only rapes eople but young people who's lives are potentially ruined by the experience

[Raeyh]

You can't feel unity with your body, if you don't feel like the right gender. You're not a transexual, so you could never say what it feels like to not have the right gender. Neither can I, either, but it's pretty obvious that they wouldn't be able to feel UNITY with it if it feels WRONG.

But how do you really know what boys feel like? You are just having an idealized concept of masculinity you are trying to aspire to despite it not even being your sex. It wouldn't even be necessarily correct if it were your sex. Too much machismo is never good.

[Nation of Fortune]

Because people, usually close minded, want to equate pedophiles and zoophiles and what not to normal people in order to feel better about their baseless hatred and bigotry

Do you not see any irony in this statement or do you not know what hatred and bigotry is?

In order for it to be ironic I would have to hate a specific group. I in no way mentioned hating any specific group. Pedophilia is not a social norm, and that is accepted pretty much the world over. Zoophilia is a bit more accepted in some cultures, but as a vast majority is still seen as wrong. The reasons for this being that neither of the two parties are possible of giving consent, a lack of consent is rape, another thing that is considered wrong. So these two groups are wrong in what they do. In order for me to be a bigot I would have to have a prejudice against either, I wouldn't look at either of these two groups of people any different than I would anyone else. I wouldn't, and have not, talked bad about them in any way, so please, explain how I am a bigot?

[Person012345]

It...seemed pretty clear to me what he meant.

If you're actually not liking the fact that he's upset that people are comparing LGBTs to pedos/beastials, just say that.

I'm not liking the fact that he said people who happen to be attracted to children do not deserve rights. It was not clear to me, and now that he's cleared up what his post meant, I would still take issue with using "paedophile" instead of "child molester". But I am satisfied that he's clarified now.