Father Kills Child Molester

[Choronzon]

Its an embarrassment to our species that people are even talking about inditing him. Thank the Gods that this happened in Texas, where he would never be convicted.

EDIT: Also, all this humanist crap about how regrettable it is that the child molester died is pissing me off. He'd have been killed in prison anyway, so this man just saved the state money.

I'm sorry that you do not respect the rule of law. But I guess you are more concerned with other things rather than the truth behind what happened during the events that took place.

Firstly, I'm an anarchist, so my not respecting the rule of law should be inferred.

Secondly, everyone seems to think the man's story stacks up.

Every person should have their day in court, regardless of their crime.

He caught this guy in the act. Unless you think a little girl is lying, I see no reason to doubt anything said. No day in court necessary. Unlike most of NSG I don't lose sleep when bad things happen to scum.

[Orcoa]

Hopefully he is let off of charges, to charge him for anything is a disgrace and lets the Molester win even if he is died and burning in the fiery pits of hell

[Sociobiology]

The father didn't intend to kill the molester when he defended his daughter. The injuries however led to the molester dying.

The result was death, even if the whole thing wasn't intended to be said result. It sucks, but it happened anyway.

I can't imagine what the little girl is going through right now, the mental anguish of dealing with the molester doing what he did, her father going to her defense, and the molester dying due to his injuries. All at the age of 4.

being 4 should actually work in her favor, younger children show fewer long term effects from molestation. she is young enough to develop normally.

The father will likely suffer the worst effects of those involved, well aside from the guy that's dead obviously.

[Galborg]

I'm sorry that you do not respect the rule of law. But I guess you are more concerned with other things rather than the truth behind what happened during the events that took place.

The Sheriff said they were investigating. In theory the Father could have killed the alleged molester for a different reason and made up the molestations story. There will be an inquest to determine the cause of death. And assuming dead guy really was molesting the child then Father goes free.

It is you who does not respect the Rule of Law. You assert that Texicans are verboten to make a law permitting self-defence. You assert that since Tory Blair and David Cameron have decreed laws in England to forbid self-defence, then that law should apply everywhere and Texicans are not Free-born Citizens and they are verboten to write their own laws.

[Wiztopia]

Citation needed.

Time to jump into this one.
A personal account of PTSD after killing a man.
An article about a police officer with a similar story.
Look, there's even an article about preparing soldiers for the chaos of killing in war.
A nice page here, too.
There's also a book written by Dave Grossman titled On Killing: The Psychological Cost of Learning to Kill in War and Society. It's about the psychological effects of killing and preparing someone to kill - and how much it damages them.

What does this all tell you? That killing someone has severe psychological effects on a person. No matter how you try to justify it in your mind, it stays with you. Both of the officers justified it by saying that they had to. They had no choice, right? Yet they still have the damage. Justification will not get rid of that.

Galla- said that every person who isn't a psycho would have nightmares and have it bother them for life. That is what needs actual proof. Even you just said it with "That killing someone has severe psychological effects on a person." part of your post.

Hopefully he is let off of charges, to charge him for anything is a disgrace and lets the Molester win even if he is died and burning in the fiery pits of hell

Hell doesn't exist.

[Fluffy Coyotes]

Because when you're at a party with small children, you carry a loaded gun on you the whole time. You know, just in case.

Seeing as how this is Texas we are talking about, he probably does anyway. o.o

[Cannot think of a name]

Galla- said that every person who isn't a psycho would have nightmares and have it bother them for life. That is what needs actual proof. Even you just said it with "That killing someone has severe psychological effects on a person." part of your post.

I don't know, man, are we ever going to get citation on your assertion that every report about the man's mood and attitude about what happened is in fact the opposite?

[Sociobiology]

Because when you're at a party with small children, you carry a loaded gun on you the whole time. You know, just in case.

Seeing as how this is Texas we are talking about, he probably does anyway. o.o

That's probably what the investigation is really about, he is claiming to be a Texan yet did not have a gun on him.

[Wiztopia]

Galla- said that every person who isn't a psycho would have nightmares and have it bother them for life. That is what needs actual proof. Even you just said it with "That killing someone has severe psychological effects on a person." part of your post.

I don't know, man, are we ever going to get citation on your assertion that every report about the man's mood and attitude about what happened is in fact the opposite?

Are you ever going to learn to read? I said "probably". I never said it happened.

[Cannot think of a name]

I don't know, man, are we ever going to get citation on your assertion that every report about the man's mood and attitude about what happened is in fact the opposite?

Are you ever going to learn to read? I said "probably". I never said it happened.

Alright, are we going to get a citation for why that is "probably" true?

[Arkinesia]

How about you just answer my original question instead of playing these childish games. I don't need to reiterate something we both just said 10 minutes ago.

Last chace. Answer this question or admit you are wrong by not answering it.

What should the father have done?

Grab the daughter, get out of there, call the police.

Because, once again, when you are seeing your four-year-old daughter being sexually assaulted you would not devolve into a seething rage.

The apathy you sorts seem to peddle about your own future children is horrifying.

[Seleucas]

No, he should not be prosecuted for having killed this pedophile; it was in defense of his child, and frankly the pedophile waived his rights by committing such an act.

[New Lusitaniagrad]

Godbless that Father. I would do the same if anyone did that to anyone in my family. As far as I am concerned child molesters, pedophiles, rapists, and murders (if convicted) should be put to death.

[Condunum]

Time to jump into this one.
A personal account of PTSD after killing a man.
An article about a police officer with a similar story.
Look, there's even an article about preparing soldiers for the chaos of killing in war.
A nice page here, too.
There's also a book written by Dave Grossman titled On Killing: The Psychological Cost of Learning to Kill in War and Society. It's about the psychological effects of killing and preparing someone to kill - and how much it damages them.

What does this all tell you? That killing someone has severe psychological effects on a person. No matter how you try to justify it in your mind, it stays with you. Both of the officers justified it by saying that they had to. They had no choice, right? Yet they still have the damage. Justification will not get rid of that.

Galla- said that every person who isn't a psycho would have nightmares and have it bother them for life. That is what needs actual proof. Even you just said it with "That killing someone has severe psychological effects on a person." part of your post.

I won't go to the extreme of agreeing with a positive statement like that, but it's implied that at least some, (71%) would have nightmares, as those are a psychological symptom of PTSD.

[Wiztopia]

No, he should not be prosecuted for having killed this pedophile child molester; it was in defense of his child, and frankly the pedophile child molester waived his rights by committing such an act.

I fixed your post for you.

Galla- said that every person who isn't a psycho would have nightmares and have it bother them for life. That is what needs actual proof. Even you just said it with "That killing someone has severe psychological effects on a person." part of your post.

I won't go to the extreme of agreeing with a positive statement like that, but it's implied that at least some, (71%) would have nightmares, as those are a psychological symptom of PTSD.

The issue was was the all part. Most people would have problems with killing a person.

[Condunum]

No, he should not be prosecuted for having killed this pedophile child molester; it was in defense of his child, and frankly the pedophile child molester waived his rights by committing such an act.

I fixed your post for you.

I won't go to the extreme of agreeing with a positive statement like that, but it's implied that at least some, (71%) would have nightmares, as those are a psychological symptom of PTSD.

The issue was was the all part. Most people would have problems with killing a person.

Fair enough.

[AiliailiA]

Grab the daughter, get out of there, call the police.

Because, once again, when you are seeing your four-year-old daughter being sexually assaulted you would not devolve into a seething rage.

The apathy you sorts seem to peddle about your own future children is horrifying.

Mindfulness is not apathy.

People should not act from "seething rage". To be enraged, yes that is natural and perhaps unavoidable ... but to "devolve into a seething rage" is in fact not responsible AT ALL, and if that is what happened then it led to the little girl witnessing a killing. That will be compounded with whatever sexual contact was forced on her by Flores, probably with long lasting ill effects on her mind. That Flores was found by police or paramedics (not sure which got there first) with his pants and underpants down, yet the girl was released from hospital after being examined, suggests either that he was rubbing himself on her or that he intended penetration but hadn't got to it when the father arrived and intervened. It's terrible even so, but not one thing about it was made better by the man dying in the act.

It may gratify the ITG's to have the man summarily killed, but in no way was it the best thing for the child. Even dragging him out of the girl's sight and killing him in cold blood would be less harmful to her.

[AiliailiA]

Godbless that Father. I would do the same if anyone did that to anyone in my family. As far as I am concerned child molesters, pedophiles, rapists, and murders (if convicted) should be put to death.

Murderers if convicted, but if it's anything sexual they should just be killed on suspicion eh?

According to the sheriff the father did not intend to kill Flores, and regrets that he died.

[Cannot think of a name]

According to the sheriff the father did not intend to kill Flores, and regrets that he died.

That doesn't fit in with the 'fuck yeah!' ITG mindset, so apparently that's "probably" not true...

[Arkinesia]

Godbless that Father. I would do the same if anyone did that to anyone in my family. As far as I am concerned child molesters, pedophiles, rapists, and murders (if convicted) should be put to death.

Murderers if convicted, but if it's anything sexual they should just be killed on suspicion eh?

According to the sheriff the father did not intend to kill Flores, and regrets that he died.

He didn't actually outright kill him if you read the details of the story.

Even though the molester died at the scene he was not strictly beaten to death.

[AiliailiA]

Since the local source I posted 16 hours ago has been pretty much ignored, let's go with the OP's choice CNN:

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/06/16/us/texas-abuser-killed/index.html

"Several detailed witness statements" is the most cheering thing. What concerned me most is that the little girl (who is apparently 5 not 4) might be the only witness. But the updated account that someone else (possibly another child) saw the girl being carried away and notified the father, and that the father heard her screaming which led him to the scene ... all very strongly suggests that others would have arrived there too in very short order, probably witnessing some of the fight. Perhaps all of it.

[AiliailiA]

Murderers if convicted, but if it's anything sexual they should just be killed on suspicion eh?

According to the sheriff the father did not intend to kill Flores, and regrets that he died.

He didn't actually outright kill him if you read the details of the story.

Even though the molester died at the scene he was not strictly beaten to death.

Blows to the head and neck led to his death. I'm not sure how else you can describe that than "beaten to death".

There is always a risk of death when there are blows to the head. You can die from just one punch, and a punch from behind or the side is more dangerous because if the recipient doesn't see it coming they can't brace or take evasive action and it will slop their brain around more.

But really my point there was a small one, to do with the ambiguity of Lusitaniagrad's sentence. It seems most probable they meant "if convicted" of all the crimes, but if not I will take issue.

[Galla-]

Godbless that Father. I would do the same if anyone did that to anyone in my family. As far as I am concerned child molesters, pedophiles, rapists, and murders (if convicted) should be put to death.

Why would you kill someone for thoughtcrime? Are you a communist or something?

And yes, criminals such as murderers, rapists, and child molesters if proven without doubt to be guilty of the crime, should be put to death.

That would require an infallible justice system, though.

[Choronzon]

A few anecdotes about how tortured some guilt ridden weaklings were after they killed someone proves that it is IMPOSSIBLE to not be haunted for the rest of your life if you kill someone, even if its necessary.

Yes, its a transforming experience. That does not necessarily make it bad.

[Cannot think of a name]

A few anecdotes about how tortured some guilt ridden weaklings were after they killed someone proves that it is IMPOSSIBLE to not be haunted for the rest of your life if you kill someone, even if its necessary.

Yes, its a transforming experience. That does not necessarily make it bad.

How bad a limp does that chip on your shoulder give you?