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Postby FreeLaannds » Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:08 pm

As a father, grandfather, and now great-grandfather, I have no problems saying if a man was molesting any of them, I would have no problem killing them. He did the right thing, and it is his duty to protect his daughter.
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Postby Galloism » Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:15 pm

FreeLaannds wrote:As a father, grandfather, and now great-grandfather, I have no problems saying if a man was molesting any of them, I would have no problem killing them. He did the right thing, and it is his duty to protect his daughter.

The killing isn't the problem.

It's living with yourself after the fact. That's the hard part.

When you kill a person, you're not just reducing living matter to dead matter. You are destroying someone that is a person like you. When you see the life fade from a person's eyes, you are forever changed by it, and not for the good.
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Postby Wisconsin9 » Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:17 pm

Galloism wrote:
FreeLaannds wrote:As a father, grandfather, and now great-grandfather, I have no problems saying if a man was molesting any of them, I would have no problem killing them. He did the right thing, and it is his duty to protect his daughter.

The killing isn't the problem.

It's living with yourself after the fact. That's the hard part.

When you kill a person, you're not just reducing living matter to dead matter. You are destroying someone like you. When you see the life fade from a person's eyes, you are forever changed by it, and not for the good.

Considering the guy's daughter was being molested, I don't think he's going to lose too much sleep over it.
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Postby Seperates » Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:17 pm

FreeLaannds wrote:As a father, grandfather, and now great-grandfather, I have no problems saying if a man was molesting any of them, I would have no problem killing them. He did the right thing, and it is his duty to protect his daughter.

Every man deserves his day in court. No matter how despicable their actions are, and how much we hate them. Such is fairness, such is the law.

Regardless... it is hard thing mentally to kill someone, even in a blind rage.
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Postby Galloism » Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:18 pm

Wisconsin9 wrote:
Galloism wrote:The killing isn't the problem.

It's living with yourself after the fact. That's the hard part.

When you kill a person, you're not just reducing living matter to dead matter. You are destroying someone like you. When you see the life fade from a person's eyes, you are forever changed by it, and not for the good.

Considering the guy's daughter was being molested, I don't think he's going to lose too much sleep over it.

You think?

I wouldn't be so sure if I were you.
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Postby Wisconsin9 » Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:18 pm

Galloism wrote:
Wisconsin9 wrote:Considering the guy's daughter was being molested, I don't think he's going to lose too much sleep over it.

You think?

I wouldn't be so sure if I were you.

I didn't say I was sure, I said I think.
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:22 pm

Wisconsin9 wrote:
Galloism wrote:The killing isn't the problem.

It's living with yourself after the fact. That's the hard part.

When you kill a person, you're not just reducing living matter to dead matter. You are destroying someone like you. When you see the life fade from a person's eyes, you are forever changed by it, and not for the good.

Considering the guy's daughter was being molested, I don't think he's going to lose too much sleep over it.

I would think he'd lose more sleep than normal, assuming his story is true. He didn't just kill a man, he beat him to death with his bare hands in front of his little daughter, who, but for his happening by, could have been raped. I can't imagine he'll be getting much sleep that isn't drug induced any time soon.

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Postby Wiztopia » Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:24 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
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That's only what the article says.

Sorry for going with the information available. I guess I should have just made a bunch of shit up?


I doubt he actually cares that he did it since the guy was (allegedly) molesting his daughter.

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Postby Galloism » Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:25 pm

Wiztopia wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Sorry for going with the information available. I guess I should have just made a bunch of shit up?


I doubt he actually cares that he did it since the guy was (allegedly) molesting his daughter.

What would make you think that?
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:29 pm

Wiztopia wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Sorry for going with the information available. I guess I should have just made a bunch of shit up?


I doubt he actually cares that he did it since the guy was (allegedly) molesting his daughter.

Yeah, but this is based on your own tough guy fantasies...which, kinda meaningless.
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Postby Galloism » Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:32 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Wisconsin9 wrote:Considering the guy's daughter was being molested, I don't think he's going to lose too much sleep over it.

I would think he'd lose more sleep than normal, assuming his story is true. He didn't just kill a man, he beat him to death with his bare hands in front of his little daughter, who, but for his happening by, could have been raped. I can't imagine he'll be getting much sleep that isn't drug induced any time soon.

He's got more than one reason to lose sleep at night, that's true.
Venicilian: wow. Jesus hung around with everyone. boys, girls, rich, poor(mostly), sick, healthy, etc. in fact, i bet he even went up to gay people and tried to heal them so they would be straight.
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Postby FreeLaannds » Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:40 pm

Galloism wrote:
FreeLaannds wrote:As a father, grandfather, and now great-grandfather, I have no problems saying if a man was molesting any of them, I would have no problem killing them. He did the right thing, and it is his duty to protect his daughter.

The killing isn't the problem.

It's living with yourself after the fact. That's the hard part.

When you kill a person, you're not just reducing living matter to dead matter. You are destroying someone that is a person like you. When you see the life fade from a person's eyes, you are forever changed by it, and not for the good.


I understand. I served in a war for several years, and I can still see the faces of the people who I shot, but I know I fought for the right cause, just like protecting this mans daughter. It is something you have to learn to live with
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Postby Seperates » Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:42 pm

FreeLaannds wrote:
Galloism wrote:The killing isn't the problem.

It's living with yourself after the fact. That's the hard part.

When you kill a person, you're not just reducing living matter to dead matter. You are destroying someone that is a person like you. When you see the life fade from a person's eyes, you are forever changed by it, and not for the good.


I understand. I served in a war for several years, and I can still see the faces of the people who I shot, but I know I fought for the right cause, just like protecting this mans daughter. It is something you have to learn to live with

Or you just have convinced yourself that you are fighting for the "right cause", if there is such a thing.
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Postby Galloism » Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:43 pm

FreeLaannds wrote:
Galloism wrote:The killing isn't the problem.

It's living with yourself after the fact. That's the hard part.

When you kill a person, you're not just reducing living matter to dead matter. You are destroying someone that is a person like you. When you see the life fade from a person's eyes, you are forever changed by it, and not for the good.


I understand. I served in a war for several years, and I can still see the faces of the people who I shot, but I know I fought for the right cause, just like protecting this mans daughter. It is something you have to learn to live with

That can be easier said than done.
Venicilian: wow. Jesus hung around with everyone. boys, girls, rich, poor(mostly), sick, healthy, etc. in fact, i bet he even went up to gay people and tried to heal them so they would be straight.
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Postby Galloism » Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:44 pm

Seperates wrote:
FreeLaannds wrote:
I understand. I served in a war for several years, and I can still see the faces of the people who I shot, but I know I fought for the right cause, just like protecting this mans daughter. It is something you have to learn to live with

Or you just have convinced yourself that you are fighting for the "right cause", if there is such a thing.

Sometimes killing is the right thing to do. I do not deny that. In fact, I agree with it wholeheartedly.

That doesn't make it the easy thing to do. It doesn't mean that you don't feel regret. It doesn't mean that you don't doubt yourself, even if it was the correct action.

It just means that it was the correct thing to do in the circumstance.
Venicilian: wow. Jesus hung around with everyone. boys, girls, rich, poor(mostly), sick, healthy, etc. in fact, i bet he even went up to gay people and tried to heal them so they would be straight.
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New Kereptica: Since power is changed energy over time, an increase in power would mean, in this case, an increase in energy. As energy is equivalent to mass and the density of the government is static, the volume of the government must increase.


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Postby JuNii » Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:46 pm

as long as the process is still going... whether or not he's guilty of anything is up to the courts to decide.

but off topic...

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Postby Artanili Datium » Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:48 pm

Let off without a warning or anything.

The child is under his custody.

You should have the right to defend what is under your custody.

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Postby Seperates » Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:55 pm

Galloism wrote:
Seperates wrote:Or you just have convinced yourself that you are fighting for the "right cause", if there is such a thing.

Sometimes killing is the right thing to do. I do not deny that. In fact, I agree with it wholeheartedly.

That doesn't make it the easy thing to do. It doesn't mean that you don't feel regret. It doesn't mean that you don't doubt yourself, even if it was the correct action.

It just means that it was the correct thing to do in the circumstance.

Perhaps I overvalue life and the rule of law too much. But, for the most part, I do not believe that ending the life of another human being without their consent in the procedure is not really a justifiable action on any rational level. Criminals should be detained and tried and, if found guilty, incarcerated, not executed, unless the victim or the defender's life is in immediate danger. Such is fairness, such is law.

As well, on more of a tangent, but more to addressing why I said what I said to him, no idea is worth dying or killing for. If you have to die or kill for it, then it probably isn't a very good idea. Ideas are things that are meant to be lived for, honed, sharpened, thrown away, revitalized, re-shaped, and re-discovered. Such is the life-line of all ideas.
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Postby Galloism » Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:59 pm

Seperates wrote:
Galloism wrote:Sometimes killing is the right thing to do. I do not deny that. In fact, I agree with it wholeheartedly.

That doesn't make it the easy thing to do. It doesn't mean that you don't feel regret. It doesn't mean that you don't doubt yourself, even if it was the correct action.

It just means that it was the correct thing to do in the circumstance.

Perhaps I overvalue life and the rule of law too much. But, for the most part, I do not believe that ending the life of another human being without their consent in the procedure is not really a justifiable action on any rational level. Criminals should be detained and tried and, if found guilty, incarcerated, not executed, unless the victim or the defender's life is in immediate danger. Such is fairness, such is law.

As well, on more of a tangent, but more to addressing why I said what I said to him, no idea is worth dying or killing for. If you have to die or kill for it, then it probably isn't a very good idea. Ideas are things that are meant to be lived for, honed, sharpened, thrown away, revitalized, re-shaped, and re-discovered. Such is the life-line of all ideas.

Well, I concur, generally speaking with a few exceptions - although I would expand it to "life or health".

Point being, however, that sometimes one must make a choice that results in someone's death. The choice made is not necessarily the wrong choice. It doesn't mean that it doesn't come without consequences however.
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Postby Seperates » Fri Jun 15, 2012 7:03 pm

Galloism wrote:
Seperates wrote:Perhaps I overvalue life and the rule of law too much. But, for the most part, I do not believe that ending the life of another human being without their consent in the procedure is not really a justifiable action on any rational level. Criminals should be detained and tried and, if found guilty, incarcerated, not executed, unless the victim or the defender's life is in immediate danger. Such is fairness, such is law.

As well, on more of a tangent, but more to addressing why I said what I said to him, no idea is worth dying or killing for. If you have to die or kill for it, then it probably isn't a very good idea. Ideas are things that are meant to be lived for, honed, sharpened, thrown away, revitalized, re-shaped, and re-discovered. Such is the life-line of all ideas.

Well, I concur, generally speaking with a few exceptions - although I would expand it to "life or health".

Point being, however, that sometimes one must make a choice that results in someone's death. The choice made is not necessarily the wrong choice. It doesn't mean that it doesn't come without consequences however.

Agreed. And agreed as well... Basically, I have no objections to anything you just said. :p
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Jun 15, 2012 7:05 pm

Artanili Datium wrote:Let off without a warning or anything.

The child is under his custody.

You should have the right to defend what is under your custody.

And how do you know he was defending her? Because he said so?

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Postby Galloism » Fri Jun 15, 2012 7:05 pm

Seperates wrote:
Galloism wrote:Well, I concur, generally speaking with a few exceptions - although I would expand it to "life or health".

Point being, however, that sometimes one must make a choice that results in someone's death. The choice made is not necessarily the wrong choice. It doesn't mean that it doesn't come without consequences however.

Agreed. And agreed as well... Basically, I have no objections to anything you just said. :p

Good deal then.

I grow tired of both the ITG "I would kill him and spit on his grave, do a little dance, then hang the dead body from the courthouse roof" and the "you should never ever kill anyone for any reason ever ever dude even if you will die" pacifists.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Jun 15, 2012 7:37 pm

Wisconsin9 wrote:
Galloism wrote:The killing isn't the problem.

It's living with yourself after the fact. That's the hard part.

When you kill a person, you're not just reducing living matter to dead matter. You are destroying someone like you. When you see the life fade from a person's eyes, you are forever changed by it, and not for the good.

Considering the guy's daughter was being molested, I don't think he's going to lose too much sleep over it.

Even though if the fact situation is true, and I would probably react the same way. Lots of sleep will be lost, just over how horrible I would feel for my daughter, how inadaquate I felt for not preventing it, just stopping it. Yea lots of heavy duty drugs and therapy for all.

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Postby New England and The Maritimes » Fri Jun 15, 2012 7:41 pm

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Seperates wrote:Agreed. And agreed as well... Basically, I have no objections to anything you just said. :p

Good deal then.

I grow tired of both the ITG "I would kill him and spit on his grave, do a little dance, then hang the dead body from the courthouse roof" and the "you should never ever kill anyone for any reason ever ever dude even if you will die" pacifists.


I don't know how I would react in a situation where it was my life or someone else's. I think I might wind up choosing myself as the one to go, but I can't say that with the conviction of someone who is certain. When it comes to some third party's life, I'd do whatever I could to save them.
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Postby Central Slavia » Fri Jun 15, 2012 8:12 pm

The man is a hero, and anyone on a jury that'd ever pronounce him guilty needs to have their head examined, preferably by way of fist.
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