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by FreeLaannds » Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:08 pm

by Galloism » Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:15 pm
FreeLaannds wrote:As a father, grandfather, and now great-grandfather, I have no problems saying if a man was molesting any of them, I would have no problem killing them. He did the right thing, and it is his duty to protect his daughter.

by Wisconsin9 » Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:17 pm
Galloism wrote:FreeLaannds wrote:As a father, grandfather, and now great-grandfather, I have no problems saying if a man was molesting any of them, I would have no problem killing them. He did the right thing, and it is his duty to protect his daughter.
The killing isn't the problem.
It's living with yourself after the fact. That's the hard part.
When you kill a person, you're not just reducing living matter to dead matter. You are destroying someone like you. When you see the life fade from a person's eyes, you are forever changed by it, and not for the good.

by Seperates » Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:17 pm
FreeLaannds wrote:As a father, grandfather, and now great-grandfather, I have no problems saying if a man was molesting any of them, I would have no problem killing them. He did the right thing, and it is his duty to protect his daughter.

by Galloism » Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:18 pm
Wisconsin9 wrote:Galloism wrote:The killing isn't the problem.
It's living with yourself after the fact. That's the hard part.
When you kill a person, you're not just reducing living matter to dead matter. You are destroying someone like you. When you see the life fade from a person's eyes, you are forever changed by it, and not for the good.
Considering the guy's daughter was being molested, I don't think he's going to lose too much sleep over it.

by Wisconsin9 » Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:18 pm

by Ifreann » Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:22 pm
Wisconsin9 wrote:Galloism wrote:The killing isn't the problem.
It's living with yourself after the fact. That's the hard part.
When you kill a person, you're not just reducing living matter to dead matter. You are destroying someone like you. When you see the life fade from a person's eyes, you are forever changed by it, and not for the good.
Considering the guy's daughter was being molested, I don't think he's going to lose too much sleep over it.

by Galloism » Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:25 pm
by Cannot think of a name » Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:29 pm

by Galloism » Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:32 pm
Ifreann wrote:Wisconsin9 wrote:Considering the guy's daughter was being molested, I don't think he's going to lose too much sleep over it.
I would think he'd lose more sleep than normal, assuming his story is true. He didn't just kill a man, he beat him to death with his bare hands in front of his little daughter, who, but for his happening by, could have been raped. I can't imagine he'll be getting much sleep that isn't drug induced any time soon.

by FreeLaannds » Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:40 pm
Galloism wrote:FreeLaannds wrote:As a father, grandfather, and now great-grandfather, I have no problems saying if a man was molesting any of them, I would have no problem killing them. He did the right thing, and it is his duty to protect his daughter.
The killing isn't the problem.
It's living with yourself after the fact. That's the hard part.
When you kill a person, you're not just reducing living matter to dead matter. You are destroying someone that is a person like you. When you see the life fade from a person's eyes, you are forever changed by it, and not for the good.

by Seperates » Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:42 pm
FreeLaannds wrote:Galloism wrote:The killing isn't the problem.
It's living with yourself after the fact. That's the hard part.
When you kill a person, you're not just reducing living matter to dead matter. You are destroying someone that is a person like you. When you see the life fade from a person's eyes, you are forever changed by it, and not for the good.
I understand. I served in a war for several years, and I can still see the faces of the people who I shot, but I know I fought for the right cause, just like protecting this mans daughter. It is something you have to learn to live with

by Galloism » Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:43 pm
FreeLaannds wrote:Galloism wrote:The killing isn't the problem.
It's living with yourself after the fact. That's the hard part.
When you kill a person, you're not just reducing living matter to dead matter. You are destroying someone that is a person like you. When you see the life fade from a person's eyes, you are forever changed by it, and not for the good.
I understand. I served in a war for several years, and I can still see the faces of the people who I shot, but I know I fought for the right cause, just like protecting this mans daughter. It is something you have to learn to live with

by Galloism » Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:44 pm
Seperates wrote:FreeLaannds wrote:
I understand. I served in a war for several years, and I can still see the faces of the people who I shot, but I know I fought for the right cause, just like protecting this mans daughter. It is something you have to learn to live with
Or you just have convinced yourself that you are fighting for the "right cause", if there is such a thing.

by JuNii » Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:46 pm

by Artanili Datium » Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:48 pm

by Seperates » Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:55 pm
Galloism wrote:Seperates wrote:Or you just have convinced yourself that you are fighting for the "right cause", if there is such a thing.
Sometimes killing is the right thing to do. I do not deny that. In fact, I agree with it wholeheartedly.
That doesn't make it the easy thing to do. It doesn't mean that you don't feel regret. It doesn't mean that you don't doubt yourself, even if it was the correct action.
It just means that it was the correct thing to do in the circumstance.

by Galloism » Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:59 pm
Seperates wrote:Galloism wrote:Sometimes killing is the right thing to do. I do not deny that. In fact, I agree with it wholeheartedly.
That doesn't make it the easy thing to do. It doesn't mean that you don't feel regret. It doesn't mean that you don't doubt yourself, even if it was the correct action.
It just means that it was the correct thing to do in the circumstance.
Perhaps I overvalue life and the rule of law too much. But, for the most part, I do not believe that ending the life of another human being without their consent in the procedure is not really a justifiable action on any rational level. Criminals should be detained and tried and, if found guilty, incarcerated, not executed, unless the victim or the defender's life is in immediate danger. Such is fairness, such is law.
As well, on more of a tangent, but more to addressing why I said what I said to him, no idea is worth dying or killing for. If you have to die or kill for it, then it probably isn't a very good idea. Ideas are things that are meant to be lived for, honed, sharpened, thrown away, revitalized, re-shaped, and re-discovered. Such is the life-line of all ideas.

by Seperates » Fri Jun 15, 2012 7:03 pm
Galloism wrote:Seperates wrote:Perhaps I overvalue life and the rule of law too much. But, for the most part, I do not believe that ending the life of another human being without their consent in the procedure is not really a justifiable action on any rational level. Criminals should be detained and tried and, if found guilty, incarcerated, not executed, unless the victim or the defender's life is in immediate danger. Such is fairness, such is law.
As well, on more of a tangent, but more to addressing why I said what I said to him, no idea is worth dying or killing for. If you have to die or kill for it, then it probably isn't a very good idea. Ideas are things that are meant to be lived for, honed, sharpened, thrown away, revitalized, re-shaped, and re-discovered. Such is the life-line of all ideas.
Well, I concur, generally speaking with a few exceptions - although I would expand it to "life or health".
Point being, however, that sometimes one must make a choice that results in someone's death. The choice made is not necessarily the wrong choice. It doesn't mean that it doesn't come without consequences however.


by Ifreann » Fri Jun 15, 2012 7:05 pm
Artanili Datium wrote:Let off without a warning or anything.
The child is under his custody.
You should have the right to defend what is under your custody.

by Galloism » Fri Jun 15, 2012 7:05 pm
Seperates wrote:Galloism wrote:Well, I concur, generally speaking with a few exceptions - although I would expand it to "life or health".
Point being, however, that sometimes one must make a choice that results in someone's death. The choice made is not necessarily the wrong choice. It doesn't mean that it doesn't come without consequences however.
Agreed. And agreed as well... Basically, I have no objections to anything you just said.

by Ethel mermania » Fri Jun 15, 2012 7:37 pm
Wisconsin9 wrote:Galloism wrote:The killing isn't the problem.
It's living with yourself after the fact. That's the hard part.
When you kill a person, you're not just reducing living matter to dead matter. You are destroying someone like you. When you see the life fade from a person's eyes, you are forever changed by it, and not for the good.
Considering the guy's daughter was being molested, I don't think he's going to lose too much sleep over it.

by New England and The Maritimes » Fri Jun 15, 2012 7:41 pm
Galloism wrote:Seperates wrote:Agreed. And agreed as well... Basically, I have no objections to anything you just said.
Good deal then.
I grow tired of both the ITG "I would kill him and spit on his grave, do a little dance, then hang the dead body from the courthouse roof" and the "you should never ever kill anyone for any reason ever ever dude even if you will die" pacifists.
Soviet Haaregrad wrote:Some people's opinions are based on rational observations, others base theirs on imaginative thinking. The reality-based community ought not to waste it's time refuting delusions.

by Central Slavia » Fri Jun 15, 2012 8:12 pm
Glorious Homeland wrote:
You would be wrong. There's something wrong with the Americans, the Japanese are actually insane, the Chinese don't seem capable of free-thought and just defer judgement to the most powerful strong man, the Russians are quite like that, only more aggressive and mad, and Belarus? Hah.
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