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Do you agree?

Yes, the school should give out Spanish forms.
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Yeah, they should give out information in Hupa too!
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I'm torn.
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No, there's nothing wrong with giving out material in English.
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School gives out form in English? LAWYER UP!!!

Postby A Republican Empire State » Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:49 am

http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/12/us/north- ... ml?is_LR=1

A few Latino parents are now going after a local school because, after their students were suspended, they didn't provide any information for them in Spanish.

Wut

Firstly, couldn't they have just spoken to someone who speaks Spanish at the school?

And, why is this necessary? Most people in the US, including Hispanics, certainly in Raleigh, speak English. I would never travel abroad to demand that the locals accommodate my English-speaking.
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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:52 am

A Republican Empire State wrote:http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/12/us/north-carolina-discrimination/index.html?is_LR=1

A few Latino parents are now going after a local school because, after their students were suspended, they didn't provide any information for them in Spanish.

Wut

Firstly, couldn't they have just spoken to someone who speaks Spanish at the school?

And, why is this necessary? Most people in the US, including Hispanics, certainly in Raleigh, speak English. I would never travel abroad to demand that the locals accommodate my English-speaking.

I need some outrage for a thread I'm planning. You seem to be good at manufacturing it, if I gave you the particulars, would you make some for me? :roll:
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Postby Ceannairceach » Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:53 am

Is it within their rights to request school forms in Spanish?

If it is and they notified them of this, they have the right to be a bit peeved. But even so, throwing a huge fit is unnecessary.

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Postby Laerod » Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:53 am

A Republican Empire State wrote:http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/12/us/north-carolina-discrimination/index.html?is_LR=1

A few Latino parents are now going after a local school because, after their students were suspended, they didn't provide any information for them in Spanish.

Wut

Firstly, couldn't they have just spoken to someone who speaks Spanish at the school?

Why couldn't the school have prepared the information in Spanish if they have someone that speaks Spanish?
And, why is this necessary? Most people in the US, including Hispanics, certainly in Raleigh, speak English. I would never travel abroad to demand that the locals accommodate my English-speaking.

You might if you went to a country where it was a common language, like Belize. Like it or not, the US incorporates areas where Spanish has been spoken much longer than English, so it's not unreasonable to provide the relevant information in that language. Fuck, Germany does this for Turkish parents and they can't even claim the language was here first. Quit whining about it. Spanish translations aren't going to ruin your life.

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Postby A Republican Empire State » Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:55 am

Laerod wrote:
A Republican Empire State wrote:http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/12/us/north-carolina-discrimination/index.html?is_LR=1

A few Latino parents are now going after a local school because, after their students were suspended, they didn't provide any information for them in Spanish.

Wut

Firstly, couldn't they have just spoken to someone who speaks Spanish at the school?

Why couldn't the school have prepared the information in Spanish if they have someone that speaks Spanish?
And, why is this necessary? Most people in the US, including Hispanics, certainly in Raleigh, speak English. I would never travel abroad to demand that the locals accommodate my English-speaking.

You might if you went to a country where it was a common language, like Belize. Like it or not, the US incorporates areas where Spanish has been spoken much longer than English, so it's not unreasonable to provide the relevant information in that language. Fuck, Germany does this for Turkish parents and they can't even claim the language was here first. Quit whining about it. Spanish translations aren't going to ruin your life.


I am not the one whining.

Also, this isn't New Mexico or Texas - it's North carolina.
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Postby Norstal » Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:56 am

A Republican Empire State wrote:http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/12/us/north-carolina-discrimination/index.html?is_LR=1

A few Latino parents are now going after a local school because, after their students were suspended, they didn't provide any information for them in Spanish.

Wut

Firstly, couldn't they have just spoken to someone who speaks Spanish at the school?

The district has several measures to help Spanish-speaking families understand school policies, including Spanish-language parental training, explanation of policies through Spanish-language media and bilingual customer service representatives.

The advocacy groups said the Spanish-language forms did not help the three families in these cases.

Yes, and it failed.

In the third case, the student was suspended after being accused of marijuana possession, and the notice of his suspension was sent to the student's mother in English only. The mother wanted to appeal but wasn't given information in Spanish about her son's alleged offense. The mother also requested her son be tested for special education services, but all of the written information about his eligibility was in English, they said.

Same. How does one know English without learning about it.

And, why is this necessary? Most people in the US, including Hispanics, certainly in Raleigh, speak English. I would never travel abroad to demand that the locals accommodate my English-speaking.

That's nice, but it wouldn't hurt printing it in Spanish.

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Postby Norstal » Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:57 am

A Republican Empire State wrote:
I am not the one whining.

Also, this isn't New Mexico or Texas - it's North carolina.

So the outrage is manufactured.
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Postby Greed and Death » Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:57 am

Laerod wrote:
A Republican Empire State wrote:http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/12/us/north-carolina-discrimination/index.html?is_LR=1

A few Latino parents are now going after a local school because, after their students were suspended, they didn't provide any information for them in Spanish.

Wut

Firstly, couldn't they have just spoken to someone who speaks Spanish at the school?

Why couldn't the school have prepared the information in Spanish if they have someone that speaks Spanish?
And, why is this necessary? Most people in the US, including Hispanics, certainly in Raleigh, speak English. I would never travel abroad to demand that the locals accommodate my English-speaking.

You might if you went to a country where it was a common language, like Belize. Like it or not, the US incorporates areas where Spanish has been spoken much longer than English, so it's not unreasonable to provide the relevant information in that language. Fuck, Germany does this for Turkish parents and they can't even claim the language was here first. Quit whining about it. Spanish translations aren't going to ruin your life.


Yeah not to hard if you have over a certain % of spainish speaking students ( or any langauge), simply ask the student which from his parents might want and send both the English and spainish copies home with the student ( or however they are delivered).

Susspension forms are normally, Your student __________ ( name) has been suspended for __ days, From ______ to ____. He is not to go on school property during the suspension.
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Postby Torcularis Septentrionalis » Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:58 am

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But, I do side a bit with the family. The school should have given them the information in Spanish. But the parents need to pull the stick out of their ass, and either talk with the principal, or with their own child who knows what in the fuck they were suspended for. This is simple, guys.
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Postby Laerod » Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:00 am

A Republican Empire State wrote:
Laerod wrote:Why couldn't the school have prepared the information in Spanish if they have someone that speaks Spanish?

You might if you went to a country where it was a common language, like Belize. Like it or not, the US incorporates areas where Spanish has been spoken much longer than English, so it's not unreasonable to provide the relevant information in that language. Fuck, Germany does this for Turkish parents and they can't even claim the language was here first. Quit whining about it. Spanish translations aren't going to ruin your life.


I am not the one whining.

Your post meets the necessary qualifications.
Also, this isn't New Mexico or Texas - it's North carolina.

Yeah, reading through the article you linked, I realize that you're really, really wrong:
The school district responded by saying it has many programs in place to support and inform Latino and Spanish-speaking families. It also provided forms in Spanish,including notification of suspension, a form for parents to request information on disciplinary actions, and confirmation that a parent has made an appeal.

They have the forms, it would seem. And have done so for quite some time:
The school district has had the Spanish-language forms since the mid-1990s, said Samiha Khanna, spokeswoman for the district's Office of Family and Community Engagement.

So the question isn't actually whether the school needs to provide Spanish language forms. This is a given. The question is whether said forms were actually adequate:
The advocacy groups said the Spanish-language forms did not help the three families in these cases.


So, yeah. You're a bit late to get on the complain-train here. Unless you're actually in favor of providing inadequate Spanish-language forms. But for the life of my I can't see why you would be.

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Postby Auremena » Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:00 am

A translator at least should have been provided.
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Postby Chinese Regions » Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:02 am

They should've got a Spanish speaker to interpret at least.
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Postby Auremena » Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:03 am

Chinese Regions wrote:They should've got a Spanish speaker to interpret at least.
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Postby Northwestfront » Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:05 am

MORE proof of white genocide.
Asia for the Asians, Africa for the Africans, White countries for Everybody

It is said that there is this RACE problem. They say this RACE problem will be solved when the third world pours into EVERY white country and ONLY into white countries.

The Netherlands and Belgium are as crowded as Japan or Taiwan, but nobody says Japan or Taiwan will solve this RACE problem by bringing in millions of third worlders and quote assimilating unquote with them.

Everybody says the final solution to this RACE problem is for EVERY white country and ONLY white countries to "assimilate," i.e., intermarry, with all those non-whites.

What if I said there was this RACE problem and this RACE problem would be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-blacks were brought into EVERY black country and ONLY into black countries?

How long would it take anyone to realize I'm not talking about a RACE problem. I am talking about the final solution to the BLACK problem?

And how long would it take any sane black man to notice this and what kind of psycho black man wouldn't object to this?

But if I tell that obvious truth about the ongoing program of genocide against my race, the white race, Liberals and respectable conservatives agree that I am a naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews.

They say they are anti-racist. What they are is anti-white.

Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.

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Postby A Republican Empire State » Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:06 am

Northwestfront wrote:MORE proof of white genocide.
Asia for the Asians, Africa for the Africans, White countries for Everybody

It is said that there is this RACE problem. They say this RACE problem will be solved when the third world pours into EVERY white country and ONLY into white countries.

The Netherlands and Belgium are as crowded as Japan or Taiwan, but nobody says Japan or Taiwan will solve this RACE problem by bringing in millions of third worlders and quote assimilating unquote with them.

Everybody says the final solution to this RACE problem is for EVERY white country and ONLY white countries to "assimilate," i.e., intermarry, with all those non-whites.

What if I said there was this RACE problem and this RACE problem would be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-blacks were brought into EVERY black country and ONLY into black countries?

How long would it take anyone to realize I'm not talking about a RACE problem. I am talking about the final solution to the BLACK problem?

And how long would it take any sane black man to notice this and what kind of psycho black man wouldn't object to this?

But if I tell that obvious truth about the ongoing program of genocide against my race, the white race, Liberals and respectable conservatives agree that I am a naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews.

They say they are anti-racist. What they are is anti-white.

Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.


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Postby Auremena » Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:10 am

Northwestfront wrote:MORE proof of white genocide.
Asia for the Asians, Africa for the Africans, White countries for Everybody
It is said that there is this RACE problem. They say this RACE problem will be solved when the third world pours into EVERY white country and ONLY into white countries.
The Netherlands and Belgium are as crowded as Japan or Taiwan, but nobody says Japan or Taiwan will solve this RACE problem by bringing in millions of third worlders and quote assimilating unquote with them.
Everybody says the final solution to this RACE problem is for EVERY white country and ONLY white countries to "assimilate," i.e., intermarry, with all those non-whites.
What if I said there was this RACE problem and this RACE problem would be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-blacks were brought into EVERY black country and ONLY into black countries?
How long would it take anyone to realize I'm not talking about a RACE problem. I am talking about the final solution to the BLACK problem?
And how long would it take any sane black man to notice this and what kind of psycho black man wouldn't object to this?
But if I tell that obvious truth about the ongoing program of genocide against my race, the white race, Liberals and respectable conservatives agree that I am a naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews.
They say they are anti-racist. What they are is anti-white.
Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.
Lolwut?
Dude you got it all wrong. I am white. I don't like racism. I take offense to jokes aimed at Blacks, Hispanics, Muslims, Asians, Jews, etc. I am not anti-white because I don't like people who are pro-white. This is not a tale of two sides. There are several.
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Postby Laerod » Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:13 am

Auremena wrote:Lolwut?
Dude you got it all wrong. I am white. I don't like racism. I take offense to jokes aimed at Blacks, Hispanics, Muslims, Asians, Jews, etc. I am not anti-white because I don't like people who are pro-white. This is not a tale of two sides. There are several.

I think my favorite part is that they don't consider Spanish to be a "white" language.

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Postby Cetacea » Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:15 am

Northwestfront wrote:
Everybody says the final solution to this RACE problem is for EVERY white country and ONLY white countries to "assimilate," i.e., intermarry, with all those non-whites.

What if I said there was this RACE problem and this RACE problem would be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-blacks were brought into EVERY black country and ONLY into black countries?


Dude you are like so 18th Century, that's when a ton of Whites were brought to EVERY non-white country

and who is this EVERYBODY you're talking about?

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Postby Auremena » Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:16 am

Laerod wrote:
Auremena wrote:Lolwut?
Dude you got it all wrong. I am white. I don't like racism. I take offense to jokes aimed at Blacks, Hispanics, Muslims, Asians, Jews, etc. I am not anti-white because I don't like people who are pro-white. This is not a tale of two sides. There are several.
I think my favorite part is that they don't consider Spanish to be a "white" language.
It's "white", "Latino" and "Asian" (don't forget about the Philippines)
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Postby Ceannairceach » Wed Jun 13, 2012 12:30 pm

Northwestfront wrote:---

This is copypasta guys. Just ignore it.

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Farnhamia wrote:
A Republican Empire State wrote:http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/12/us/north-carolina-discrimination/index.html?is_LR=1

A few Latino parents are now going after a local school because, after their students were suspended, they didn't provide any information for them in Spanish.

Wut

Firstly, couldn't they have just spoken to someone who speaks Spanish at the school?

And, why is this necessary? Most people in the US, including Hispanics, certainly in Raleigh, speak English. I would never travel abroad to demand that the locals accommodate my English-speaking.

I need some outrage for a thread I'm planning. You seem to be good at manufacturing it, if I gave you the particulars, would you make some for me? :roll:


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Postby The Richard Bastion Republic » Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:36 pm

Immigrants should learn English before they come to America. Not knowing English is their fault, and they are making things more difficult for everyone. We shouldn't have to do everything in their language because they are too lazy to learn English.

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The Richard Bastion Republic wrote:Immigrants should learn English before they come to America. Not knowing English is their fault, and they are making things more difficult for everyone. We shouldn't have to do everything in their language because they are too lazy to learn English.


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You might want to look into the history of the melting pot. There were hundreds of thousands who came here while not speaking english.
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Postby Genivaria » Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:39 pm

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Genivaria wrote:English will one day be the language of humanity anyway.


American or Queens?
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