Romney VS Obama: The Megathread

[Wikkiwallana]

FOX News is highly likely to be among the worst sources for infromation since everything it says comes with a heavy dose of far-right bias. I don't trust it as a source.

what you really mean is it is more likely to come with a far-riight bias instead of the far-left bias I prefer. Well maybe not "you". I don't know you enough to make that statement but for the overwhelming majority of people who whine about Fox news, my statement above is true.

No, Fox News actively misinforms viewers:
http://publicmind.fdu.edu/2011/knowless/
http://www.desmogblog.com/fox-news-view ... on-stewart

[Wikkiwallana]

Ron Paul was the least stupid, but every single candidate is not fit to be president. I wish we could bring Abraham Lincoln back to life or something...

Wait, you like Paul and Lincoln? What the freaking fuck?

[Wikkiwallana]

Ahhhhhh. So, propaganda.

And it wasn't just with Foley, it happened several times, though I have to admit I haven't heard of it happening lately. And then there was the time they broadcast a show for an hour or maybe even two hours going on and on about how poll numbers showed something awful about President Obama, 60% to 40%, and then in the last minute whispered, "Oh, we just found out we reversed those numbers, it was really the other way around. Sorry."

And all the graphs where the pictures did not match the numbers.

[Wikkiwallana]

I've lost pride in my nation it's too free

Funny, I don't see roving riots in the streets while the cops stand back and cheer.

[Wikkiwallana]

Under Obama our constitution is falling apart. Say hello to the democrat version of Nixon
http://news.investors.com/article/61523 ... htm?p=full

If people could vote into office a man like Obama on the sole platform of hope and change they can do it again under his failed presidency.
All hail the power of democracy!

That article has one of the largest concentrations of "WAAAAAHHH!" I've ever seen.

[Wikkiwallana]

Robama is the best choice.

New spelling, same old failed tripe.

[Wikkiwallana]

Thanks for saving me some trouble.

You still have no idea how thankful I am for that link, by the way.

Sadly, now that the topic is locked, I can't edit it any more. Which means if any new points against Paul come up, I have to make a new post.

[The Steel Magnolia]

You still have no idea how thankful I am for that link, by the way.

Sadly, now that the topic is locked, I can't edit it any more. Which means if any new points against Paul come up, I have to make a new post.

I'm almost positive that you could get a mod to edit in more links for you if you really wanted. It's a great source for info. Even if not, just post it whenever the actual election stickied topic goes up, and that'll stay up for a fair bit. Mind you, I'm sure you've thought of all that and I'm not posting anything new.

Hopefully Paul will actually fade into irrelevance in the public eye after that.

[Milks Empire]

Sadly, now that the topic is locked, I can't edit it any more. Which means if any new points against Paul come up, I have to make a new post.

I'm almost positive that you could get a mod to edit in more links for you if you really wanted. It's a great source for info. Even if not, just post it whenever the actual election stickied topic goes up, and that'll stay up for a fair bit. Mind you, I'm sure you've thought of all that and I'm not posting anything new.
Hopefully Paul will actually fade into irrelevance in the public eye after that.

That's a humorous notion. Ron Paul supporters make even the loudest Teabaggers look wishy-washy.

[Gravatrax]

Both are worthless

Well aren't you the optomist.

Yup.

I am a Ron Paul supporter, through and through. I've done the research I've checked the facts, he seems to be the man that has Americas best interests at heart even if his ideologies are very traditional, which in all honest isn't bad a thing.

Traditional yet progressive, where is mitt romney is pretty the same as bush, maybe even a little worse, and Obama eh..all smoke and mirrors, with my tax dollars LOL

[Wikkiwallana]

Well aren't you the optomist.

Yup.

I am a Ron Paul supporter, through and through. I've done the research I've checked the facts, he seems to be the man that has Americas best interests at heart even if his ideologies are very traditional, which in all honest isn't bad a thing.

Traditional yet progressive, where is mitt romney is pretty the same as bush, maybe even a little worse, and Obama eh..all smoke and mirrors, with my tax dollars LOL

You may have done research, but if you actually believe there is a progressive bone in Ron Paul's body, what you read weren't facts.

[Gravatrax]

Yup.

I am a Ron Paul supporter, through and through. I've done the research I've checked the facts, he seems to be the man that has Americas best interests at heart even if his ideologies are very traditional, which in all honest isn't bad a thing.

Traditional yet progressive, where is mitt romney is pretty the same as bush, maybe even a little worse, and Obama eh..all smoke and mirrors, with my tax dollars LOL

You may have done research, but if you actually believe there is a progressive bone in Ron Paul's body, what you read weren't facts.

Explain. I am sure I've heard it before.

[Wikkiwallana]

You may have done research, but if you actually believe there is a progressive bone in Ron Paul's body, what you read weren't facts.

Explain. I am sure I've heard it before.

Everything you need to know and then some:
viewtopic.php?p=8544080#p8544080

[United Dependencies]

Explain. I am sure I've heard it before.

Rather than supporting personal liberty, he believes in the false notion of states rights. Wikki's link should be checked as should this link

viewtopic.php?p=7847462#p7847462

[Fedeledland]

Oh my gosh, Obama's actually in the lead after what he did to our country?

Yeah, it's totally Obama's fault. I forgot a lot of Americans' four year political attention span.

[Free Soviets]

no worse than literally everybody else. fuck, lincoln picked johnson (our absolute worst president by far) to be his veep.

I thought that was Genocidal Jackass - I mean, Andrew Jackson. And I don't think anyone saw that night at Ford's Theatre coming.

nah, jackson never ranks near the bottom. those sports are reserved for johnson, buchanan, pierce, tyler, nixon, and bush. jackson usually ranks in the upper half/third on most people's lists, actually. presumably because his evils were everyone's evils while he also accomplished some good things in the process.

and yeah, nobody knew johnson would become president like that. but he was an awful human being who should have been kept far away from power, not placed in line to take over should any of the ongoing assassination plots succeed. remember, the slaver scum were plotting to kill lincoln even before he took office. it's not like it was unthinkable that they might someday pull it off.

[The Black Forrest]

Oh my gosh, Obama's actually in the lead after what he did to our country?

Yeah, it's totally Obama's fault. I forgot a lot of Americans' four year political attention span.

It's because of the fluoride.

[Milks Empire]

Yeah, it's totally Obama's fault. I forgot a lot of Americans' four year political attention span.

It's because of the fluoride.

Please be sarcasm.

[Wikkiwallana]

Explain. I am sure I've heard it before.

Rather than supporting personal liberty, he believes in the false notion of states rights. Wikki's link should be checked as should this link

viewtopic.php?p=7847462#p7847462

There's actually a link to that post somewhere in that pile of links, although I think it's a few clicks from the post itself, as some of those collected links are to other posts collecting links. Some of which… well, you get the idea. There was a lot to gather.

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

Darn, Paul, Stein, and Johnson are more popular than expected.

[Socialist EU]

what you really mean is it is more likely to come with a far-riight bias instead of the far-left bias I prefer. Well maybe not "you". I don't know you enough to make that statement but for the overwhelming majority of people who whine about Fox news, my statement above is true.

No, Fox News actively misinforms viewers:
http://publicmind.fdu.edu/2011/knowless/
http://www.desmogblog.com/fox-news-view ... on-stewart

Whilst Fox News is God dammed awful,(I say that with a British accent by the way) the Cartoon News Network,(CNN) is little better. MSNBC, okish, but a lot of news channels don't really tell you anything. For example, sure the Egyptians overthrew Mubarak, but the military remained in power, thus a more complicated situation than they would have you believe, they've only now just cottoned on that the military in charge is a major problem, Egyptians need democratic space, of course, there's already an op for that.

Ron Paul: He's a Republican, (with some classical economics such as Adam Smith mixed in), his politics should surprise nobody, particularly when he listens to that nut-case, Peter Schiff.

If you want something more critical of American politics, try Amy Goodman's Democracy Now! website, its far better. [1]
And The Alyona Show(a Russian born, California raised American) is not bad either, with her mainstream misses, ("what the mainstream media chooses to miss")[2]

1. http://www.democracynow.org
2. http://rt.com/programs/alyona-show/

[Milks Empire]

No, Fox News actively misinforms viewers:
http://publicmind.fdu.edu/2011/knowless/
http://www.desmogblog.com/fox-news-view ... on-stewart

Whilst Fox News is God dammed awful,(I say that with a British accent by the way) the Cartoon News Network,(CNN) is little better. MSNBC, okish, but a lot of news channels don't really tell you anything. For example, sure the Egyptians overthrew Mubarak, but the military remained in power, thus a more complicated situation than they would have you believe, they've only now just cottoned on that the military in charge is a major problem, Egyptians need democratic space, of course, there's already an op for that.

Ron Paul: He's a Republican, (with some classical economics such as Adam Smith mixed in), his politics should surprise nobody, particularly when he listens to that nut-case, Peter Schiff.

If you want something more critical of American politics, try Amy Goodman's Democracy Now! website, its far better. [1]
And The Alyona Show(a Russian born, California raised American) is not bad either, with her mainstream misses, ("what the mainstream media chooses to miss")[2]

1. http://www.democracynow.org
2. http://rt.com/programs/alyona-show/

There's one hell of a huge problem with RT's credibility. His name is Alex Jones. They haven't quite figured out that he's nuttier than Ron Paul and his team - and that's a tough thing to pull off, and so it undermines their credibility big time.

[Hibernion (Ancient)]

I don't see why Lincoln was so bad as president. Yeah, he broke five amendments just to keep one from being broken, and he did not want the South to leave or free slaves in the north. He was a good president though, he hated war, but still declared it because it was necessary, he did not criticize the South and tried to see them in their shoes. When his wife condemned them, Lincoln said "Honey, do not condemn them, they are what we would be like under similar circumstances." He also wanted the South to rejoin but not be strictly punished.

[Socialist EU]

Whilst Fox News is God dammed awful,(I say that with a British accent by the way) the Cartoon News Network,(CNN) is little better. MSNBC, okish, but a lot of news channels don't really tell you anything. For example, sure the Egyptians overthrew Mubarak, but the military remained in power, thus a more complicated situation than they would have you believe, they've only now just cottoned on that the military in charge is a major problem, Egyptians need democratic space, of course, there's already an op for that.

Ron Paul: He's a Republican, (with some classical economics such as Adam Smith mixed in), his politics should surprise nobody, particularly when he listens to that nut-case, Peter Schiff.

If you want something more critical of American politics, try Amy Goodman's Democracy Now! website, its far better. [1]
And The Alyona Show(a Russian born, California raised American) is not bad either, with her mainstream misses, ("what the mainstream media chooses to miss")[2]

1. http://www.democracynow.org
2. http://rt.com/programs/alyona-show/

There's one hell of a huge problem with RT's credibility. His name is Alex Jones. They haven't quite figured out that he's nuttier than Ron Paul and his team - and that's a tough thing to pull off, and so it undermines their credibility big time.

Whilst I share your opinion on Alex Jones, Alex Jones is not synonymous with RT. I also agree that one should have a degree of scepticism with RT, its why I put it in second place and why I only picked The Alyona Show as the best show on RT for American politics.

All I'm saying is, Democracy Now! is a great news site/channel if you're a working class American, but The Alyona Show is worth a look/consideration.

[Laerod]

Right, time for a bit of a reality check on sourcing.

Is he infringing on our second ammendment right according to foxnews he tried to pass laws that did (look at previous post for source) no water no moon states foxnews is not a reliable source, and we cant be sure.

You mean this piece of trash you linked earlier expecting to be taken seriously? Fox News is not a reliable source. It's essentially an organ of the Republican party and unless it's some local report by a local branch, it tends to be tailored specifically to appeal to conservatives. It's infotainment, not a reliable source. But what really takes the cake is that it's an opinion piece. The person can lie all he wants; the network isn't going to check it for accuracy. And lie he did:

President Obama keeps pushing for gun control. "I just want you to know that we are working on [gun control]. We have to go through a few processes, but under the radar,” President Obama told Sarah Brady, the former president of the Brady Campaign, this past spring.

In a mailer, the National Rifle Association says that "Obama admits he’s coming for our guns, telling Sarah Brady, ‘We are working on (gun control), but under the radar.’ "

We found no evidence of an Obama admission anything like the NRA suggests.

Lengthier explanation can be found here.

No, Fox News actively misinforms viewers:
http://publicmind.fdu.edu/2011/knowless/
http://www.desmogblog.com/fox-news-view ... on-stewart

Whilst Fox News is God dammed awful,(I say that with a British accent by the way) the Cartoon News Network,(CNN) is little better. MSNBC, okish, but a lot of news channels don't really tell you anything.

CNN is a shit ton better if you don't watch the American TV version. The international one is pretty decent and the website is top notch.

1. http://www.democracynow.org
2. http://rt.com/programs/alyona-show/

No. NO. RT is not a reliable source. It's pretty much Putin's version of Fox News.