Romney VS Obama: The Megathread

[The Old Korean Empire]

Ruridova could you quote me without adding your commentary in the quote itself?

As for Obama's legacy

The reset with russia failed
massive leaks multiple times
the budget is in red by a trillion plus
obamacare adds to the debt
financial crisis is on the horizon
economy is not getting better
etc
source: living the last 3.5 years

seriously where have you been these past 3.5 years

[Ashmoria]

Bruce Lee.

Putin would win. The other two are dead.

ya but you cant kill what is already dead.

or something similarly martinesque

[Divair]

Ruridova could you quote me without adding your commentary in the quote itself?

As for Obama's legacy

The reset with russia failed
massive leaks multiple times
the budget is in red by a trillion plus
obamacare adds to the debt
financial crisis is on the horizon
economy is not getting better
etc
source: living the last 3.5 years

seriously where have you been these past 3.5 years

The economy is doing better.

Source:
http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center ... alecon.pdf

[Milks Empire]

The reset with russia failed^{[citation needed]}
massive leaks multiple times^{[citation needed]}
the budget is in red by a trillion plus^{[citation needed]}
obamacare adds to the debt^{[citation needed]}
financial crisis is on the horizon^{[citation needed]}
economy is not getting better^{[citation needed]}

So get on it. Links.

source: living the last 3.5 years
seriously where have you been these past 3.5 years

Anecdotes ≠ evidence.

[Ashmoria]

Ruridova could you quote me without adding your commentary in the quote itself?

As for Obama's legacy

The reset with russia failed--yup
massive leaks multiple times--yup but nothing new
the budget is in red by a trillion plus thats what happens when you keep wars off the books for 8 years then go into a massive recession
obamacare adds to the debt--citation needed. they made sure that the entire package was deficit neutral but something may have changed since it was passed
financial crisis is on the horizon obama cant control europe
economy is not getting better the economy is demonstrably better
etc
source: living the last 3.5 years


seriously where have you been these past 3.5 years

ive been right here watching the congressional republicans stop any real progress on fixing the economy. that really sucks.

[The Old Korean Empire]

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/01/ ... 8820120131
http://www.businessinsider.com/charts-w ... 012-4?op=1
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/op ... Columnists
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/05 ... 1-percent/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ ... story.html
http://www.iseek.org/news/fw/fw7828FutureWork.html
happy now?

[Ashmoria]

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/01/31/us-usa-budget-idUSTRE80U28820120131
http://www.businessinsider.com/charts-w ... 012-4?op=1
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/op ... Columnists
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/05 ... 1-percent/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ ... story.html

happy now?

no

bringout the relevant quotes and tell us what point it proves.

[The Old Korean Empire]

Ruridova could you quote me without adding your commentary in the quote itself?

As for Obama's legacy

The reset with russia failed--yup
massive leaks multiple times--yup but nothing new
the budget is in red by a trillion plus thats what happens when you keep wars off the books for 8 years then go into a massive recession
obamacare adds to the debt--citation needed. they made sure that the entire package was deficit neutral but something may have changed since it was passed
financial crisis is on the horizon obama cant control europe
economy is not getting better the economy is demonstrably better
etc
source: living the last 3.5 years


seriously where have you been these past 3.5 years

ive been right here watching the congressional republicans stop any real progress on fixing the economy. that really sucks.

Ok we agree on the first 2
Don't forget that the majority of the red ink is because of the stimulus which Bush started and Obama continued
Obamacare is not deficit neutral http://www.forbes.com/sites/aroy/2012/0 ... s-critics/
I meant financial crisis in the US which Obama can affect. The crisis is looming because of extended deficits, at some point investors will stop lending and want their money back. Remember the credit rating downgrade, also congress is at fault
the economy is adding around 200000 jobs a month, considering that population growth is also a factor we are not adding enough jobs a month to keep up.

[Seleucas]

Yes, I am.

Anarcho-Capitalist? I guessed based on the flag. It's a tough position to hold, yes? I still remember the media blaming the London riots on the Anarchists for whatever reason.

That's the original Habsburg flag, actually, but I chose it because it was Austrian (like the school) and it has the same colors. (I really prefer market anarchist over anarcho-capitalist, since not all capitalists, i.e. those who own capital, are nice people or really support a free market as opposed to corporatism.) And yes, it is a bit difficult to hold, but I hope I can stick with it even if there are easier ideologies to cling to; I, for one, am against indiscriminate violence as used by certain anarchists, I think that the only way to achieve my ideals is peacefully and certainly not by violating them through aggression.

[The Old Korean Empire]

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/01/31/us-usa-budget-idUSTRE80U28820120131
http://www.businessinsider.com/charts-w ... 012-4?op=1
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/op ... Columnists
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/05 ... 1-percent/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ ... story.html

happy now?

no

bringout the relevant quotes and tell us what point it proves.

Just look at the headlines, my point is that there is nothing but doom and gloom. That is Obama's legacy. Heck not too long ago I was watching CNN and even they criticized the Obama admin. Obama's own professor at Harvard criticized the Repubs and Dems saying Obama has failed to advanced the progressive policy. The criticism is not only coming from the right anymore, it's becoming mainstream.

as for you wanting me to cite every single statement, you don't do any of that yourself

[Ashmoria]

ive been right here watching the congressional republicans stop any real progress on fixing the economy. that really sucks.

Ok we agree on the first 2
Don't forget that the majority of the red ink is because of the stimulus which Bush started and Obama continued
Obamacare is not deficit neutral http://www.forbes.com/sites/aroy/2012/0 ... s-critics/
I meant financial crisis in the US which Obama can affect. The crisis is looming because of extended deficits, at some point investors will stop lending and want their money back. Remember the credit rating downgrade, also congress is at fault
the economy is adding around 200000 jobs a month, considering that population growth is also a factor we are not adding enough jobs a month to keep up.

the majority of the red ink CANT be because of the stimulus that is long over.
there is no looming crisis over extended deficits. there is only a looming crisis due to republicans insistence on austerity.

no we arent adding enough jobs. we need the president's job plan and aid to the states so they can hire public workers back

[The Old Korean Empire]

Ok we agree on the first 2
Don't forget that the majority of the red ink is because of the stimulus which Bush started and Obama continued
Obamacare is not deficit neutral http://www.forbes.com/sites/aroy/2012/0 ... s-critics/
I meant financial crisis in the US which Obama can affect. The crisis is looming because of extended deficits, at some point investors will stop lending and want their money back. Remember the credit rating downgrade, also congress is at fault
the economy is adding around 200000 jobs a month, considering that population growth is also a factor we are not adding enough jobs a month to keep up.

the majority of the red ink CANT be because of the stimulus that is long over.
there is no looming crisis over extended deficits. there is only a looming crisis due to republicans insistence on austerity.

no we arent adding enough jobs. we need the president's job plan and aid to the states so they can hire public workers back

citations?
Obama has done nothing to deal with the red ink, his own budget did not get a single vote in congress. Much of the current spending was proposed by the obama admin and the DNC
and look at where it has gotten us http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fac ... _blog.html
solution to the economy is to have the government hire more public workers
Sure the government could hire everyone and there would be 100% employment but nothing to eat. That does not help the economy because you are taking money out of the economy to fund jobs that the current economy did not produce and in essence not need. What a waste of money.

At some point there will have to be budget cuts

[Wamitoria]

Obama has done nothing to deal with the red ink, his own budget did not get a single vote in congress.

Taking the Paul Ryan Budget, slapping the name "Obama Budget" and instructing your caucus not to vote for it =/= the president's budget not getting a single vote in congress.

[Ashmoria]

the majority of the red ink CANT be because of the stimulus that is long over.
there is no looming crisis over extended deficits. there is only a looming crisis due to republicans insistence on austerity.

no we arent adding enough jobs. we need the president's job plan and aid to the states so they can hire public workers back

citations?
Obama has done nothing to deal with the red ink, his own budget did not get a single vote in congress. Much of the current spending was proposed by the obama admin and the DNC
and look at where it has gotten us http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fac ... _blog.html
solution to the economy is to have the government hire more public workers
Sure the government could hire everyone and there would be 100% employment but nothing to eat. That does not help the economy because you are taking money out of the economy to fund jobs that the current economy did not produce and in essence not need. What a waste of money.

At some point there will have to be budget cuts

what do you want citations for? do you not know that the stimulus is over?

here is a good discussion of how much of the deficit is due to obama policies http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezr ... _blog.html

the solution to EVERY economic downturn in the past 100ish years has been to expand government employment.

[Evraim]

Both are worthless

Well aren't you the optomist.

Why should a person be optimistic? In fact, I'm feeling rather nihilistic at the moment. Everything is worthless!

[Wamitoria]

Well aren't you the optomist.

Why should a person be optimistic? In fact, I'm feeling rather nihilistic at the moment. Everything is worthless!

I'd have prefered Nazis. Say what you will about the tenants of National Socialism, man, at least it's an ethos.

[Evraim]

Why should a person be optimistic? In fact, I'm feeling rather nihilistic at the moment. Everything is worthless!

I'd have prefered Nazis. Say what you will about the tenants of National Socialism, man, at least it's an ethos.

Well, to a Nihilist, it's as pointless and insignificant as anything else.

Also, I think Cheney might have a chance as a third party candidate.

[Wamitoria]

I'd have prefered Nazis. Say what you will about the tenants of National Socialism, man, at least it's an ethos.

Well, to a Nihilist, it's as pointless and insignificant as anything else.

Also, I think Cheney might have a chance as a third party candidate.

Please tell me you got the reference.

[Farnhamia]

the majority of the red ink CANT be because of the stimulus that is long over.
there is no looming crisis over extended deficits. there is only a looming crisis due to republicans insistence on austerity.

no we arent adding enough jobs. we need the president's job plan and aid to the states so they can hire public workers back

citations?
Obama has done nothing to deal with the red ink, his own budget did not get a single vote in congress. Much of the current spending was proposed by the obama admin and the DNC
and look at where it has gotten us http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fac ... _blog.html
solution to the economy is to have the government hire more public workers
Sure the government could hire everyone and there would be 100% employment but nothing to eat. That does not help the economy because you are taking money out of the economy to fund jobs that the current economy did not produce and in essence not need. What a waste of money.

At some point there will have to be budget cuts

Yes, when the fucking economy recovers and unemployment in the private sector comes down. Why is this hard to understand? And tell me, if you could get ten dollars of budget cuts, would you agree to one dollar of tax increases?

[The Steel Magnolia]

Well, to a Nihilist, it's as pointless and insignificant as anything else.

Also, I think Cheney might have a chance as a third party candidate.

Please tell me you got the reference.

I got it. Then again, I'm assuming Evraim's got nothing on The Dude.

[Torisakia]

Robama is the best choice.

[Wikkiwallana]

Voted (And voting for) Ron Paul. I don't agree with all of his opinions, but he seems more sensible than Romney. I can't support Obama after his expansion of the federal government's power.

I've owned dogs more sensible than Paul.

[Wikkiwallana]

Voted (And voting for) Ron Paul. I don't agree with all of his opinions, but he seems more sensible than Romney. I can't support Obama after his expansion of the federal government's power.

Ron Paul Is Awful.

Thanks for saving me some trouble.

[The Steel Magnolia]

Ron Paul Is Awful.

Thanks for saving me some trouble.

You still have no idea how thankful I am for that link, by the way.

[Wikkiwallana]

Obama? He renewed the Patriot Act, which was responsible for me being locked out of my bank account when it was first passed. I had to gather up a ton of documents and get my family to ascertain that I was in fact who I said I was. Super Happy Fun Times (TM)!

He had a majority in all 3 branches of government, but failed to get anything done that stuck. America has not changed at all during his presidency, despite his campaign's tagline.

But who the hell is this Romney guy? I never heard of him! /sarcasm

Seriously, though. What has he done that qualifies him to the position of one of the more powerful people on earth? He lost the 2008 nomination to John freakin' McCain! He's only slightly more qualified than Sarah Palin, who is not qualified at all. All he's done with his life is be Mormon, make money, and run the Salt Lake Winter Olympics in 2000. That last is a point in his favor, I suppose.

I'm considering voting for Demopan. He will downscale the military establishment by selling their stout shakos for 2 refined. DEMOPAN 2012!

Well he was a governor, which gives him more experience than Obama had.

But Obama now has 4 years of experience being president, Romney has none.