Romney VS Obama: The Megathread

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Actually, even the ACLU contends that according to American law at the time, his mother was too young to have accrued the necessary number of years of residence in the US to pass on citizenship.

Do you have a link for this claim? Not finding anything on Google from the ACLU on the matter.

[Laerod]

Actually, even the ACLU contends that according to American law at the time, his mother was too young to have accrued the necessary number of years of residence in the US to pass on citizenship.

Bullshit. There is no such thing.

Which wouldn't matter in the least:

What are the rules for people born between December 23, 1952 and November 13, 1986?

Again, children born abroad to two US citizen parents were US citizens at birth, as long as one of the parents resided in the US at some point before the birth of the child.

When one parent was a US citizen and the other a foreign national, the US citizen parent must have resided in the US for a total of 10 years prior to the birth of the child, with five of the years after the age of 14. An exception for people serving in the military was created by considering time spent outside the US on military duty as time spent in the US.

While there were initially rules regarding what the child must do to retain citizenship, amendments since 1952 have eliminated these requirements.

Children born out of wedlock to a US citizen mother were US citizens if the mother was resident in the US for a period of one year prior to the birth of the child. Children born out of wedlock to a US citizen father acquired US citizenship only if legitimated before turning 21.

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Actually, even the ACLU contends that according to American law at the time, his mother was too young to have accrued the necessary number of years of residence in the US to pass on citizenship.

Bullshit. There is no such thing.

Actually there is...but it applies to those born outside the US.

http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/ ... 2ca60aRCRD

[Wikkiwallana]

Bullshit. There is no such thing.

Which wouldn't matter in the least:

What are the rules for people born between December 23, 1952 and November 13, 1986?

Again, children born abroad to two US citizen parents were US citizens at birth, as long as one of the parents resided in the US at some point before the birth of the child.

When one parent was a US citizen and the other a foreign national, the US citizen parent must have resided in the US for a total of 10 years prior to the birth of the child, with five of the years after the age of 14. An exception for people serving in the military was created by considering time spent outside the US on military duty as time spent in the US.

While there were initially rules regarding what the child must do to retain citizenship, amendments since 1952 have eliminated these requirements.

Children born out of wedlock to a US citizen mother were US citizens if the mother was resident in the US for a period of one year prior to the birth of the child. Children born out of wedlock to a US citizen father acquired US citizenship only if legitimated before turning 21.

I stand corrected. That law is fucking stupid.

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Which wouldn't matter in the least:

I stand corrected. That law is fucking stupid.

That law gave me US citizenship.

[Laerod]

Which wouldn't matter in the least:

I stand corrected. That law is fucking stupid.

Yeah. It's been changed down to two years, I think, but still pretty dumb.

[Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f]

I stand corrected. That law is fucking stupid.

Yeah. It's been changed down to two years, I think, but still pretty dumb.

do you have a link for that ACLU thingy?

[Laerod]

Yeah. It's been changed down to two years, I think, but still pretty dumb.

do you have a link for that ACLU thingy?

Heard it in an interview somewhere and no longer sure where. But that law and his mother being 18 at the time of his birth when she needed to be at least 19 is the reasoning. They're not birthers, mind you, merely pointing out that his mother being a US citizen doesn't just seal the case like it should.

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do you have a link for that ACLU thingy?

Heard it in an interview somewhere and no longer sure where. But that law and his mother being 18 at the time of his birth when she needed to be at least 19 is the reasoning. They're not birthers, mind you, merely pointing out that his mother being a US citizen doesn't just seal the case like it should.

shame...but as he was born in Hawaii its all moot anyway....Hawaii being a part of the US at the time of Obama's birth...

[Wamitoria]

do you have a link for that ACLU thingy?

Heard it in an interview somewhere and no longer sure where. But that law and his mother being 18 at the time of his birth when she needed to be at least 19 is the reasoning. They're not birthers, mind you, merely pointing out that his mother being a US citizen doesn't just seal the case like it should.

But it does. No matter how old you are, under US law, you are a citizen if one of your parents is a citizen.

That's how it works. There is no gray area, there is no technicalities, nothing.

[Wikkiwallana]

I stand corrected. That law is fucking stupid.

That law gave me US citizenship.

Having a minimum parental residency requirement gave you citizenship?

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That law gave me US citizenship.

Having a minimum parental residency requirement gave you citizenship?

Aye...I was born in the UK and my old mans a yank...

[Laerod]

Heard it in an interview somewhere and no longer sure where. But that law and his mother being 18 at the time of his birth when she needed to be at least 19 is the reasoning. They're not birthers, mind you, merely pointing out that his mother being a US citizen doesn't just seal the case like it should.

shame...but as he was born in Hawaii its all moot anyway....Hawaii being a part of the US at the time of Obama's birth...

Yeah. I know. The hope here was that citing his mom as a US citizen was enough to sink the whole notion. But unfortunately laws back then had restrictions that make it untrue.

Heard it in an interview somewhere and no longer sure where. But that law and his mother being 18 at the time of his birth when she needed to be at least 19 is the reasoning. They're not birthers, mind you, merely pointing out that his mother being a US citizen doesn't just seal the case like it should.

But it does. No matter how old you are, under US law, you are a citizen if one of your parents is a citizen.

That's how it works. There is no gray area, there is no technicalities, nothing.

Wammi, no, that's not actually true, and it definitely wasn't at the time Obama was born.

[Laerod]

That law gave me US citizenship.

Having a minimum parental residency requirement gave you citizenship?

Same here, actually.

[Jocabia]

I swear it's really sad that people forget what a campaign is. He's not some movie star or singer or something. He's involved in a long drawn out job interview.

If a guy walks into my office and interviews for a job and, during the interview process, treats his wife like Romney treats his, he's not getting hired. I don't care if they guy invented the internet, he's not getting the job. Why? Because I would always have to watch out for a guy who is willing to treat an individual like that, let alone his wife.

That's the thing. Romney and many of his supporters have forgotten he is interviewing for that job. His own father said that if your interviews, the people, ask for your tax returns, you show your tax returns. Mitt Romney's response to that is "Why should I show the people as unimportant as voters how I have obeyed and/or exploited tax law?"

Why? Because you're interviewing with for a job. And when he interviewed for the job of Vice President, how many years did he show John McCain? The same number we're asking for. And what Romney proves when he refuses, or mistreats his wife in front of us, or attacks someone over cookies, is that he doesn't actually feel like we are the interviewers. And that's where he's wrong.

I bet you weren't saying that when Obama was mum on his birth certificate.

Let's pretend that actually happened. It did not. Not ever. But let's pretend it did.

You're talking about something that would disqualify him from the Presidency. So the assumption is that even though the Congress (full of Republicans) and the Bush administration, the state of Hawaii and its newspapers were all duped, that somehow, you or me seeing his birth certificate would really seal his fate.

See, unlike the birth certificate, the state of his taxes are not verified in order for him to be eligible to run. Obama would have been shut down long before he was ever on the ballot if he was not a citizen. That's a fact.

Here are some things I haven't checked on Romney, for example. I haven't verified his age. I haven't verified his citizenship. I haven't verified he is eligible in any way. We have HUGE groups of people who are responsible for ensuring this. So I'm more concerned with the things WE are responsible for evaluating about the candidates. We are responsible for determining whether or not we want them to have the job, whether or not they're honest, whether we agree with their policies, etc.

[Wikkiwallana]

Having a minimum parental residency requirement gave you citizenship?

Aye...I was born in the UK and my old mans a yank...

Would he have been less of a yank if the minimum residency requirement never existed and all children of citizens were citizens?

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Aye...I was born in the UK and my old mans a yank...

Would he have been less of a yank if the minimum residency requirement never existed and all children of citizens were citizens?

If he did not satisfy the requirements I would not have that citizenship. I even have a nice bit of paper from the State Dept saying that I am a US citizen. That 's the way it works at the moment....do I personally agree with the mechanism? Not really...but then countries have the odd notions of what a citizen or makes a citizen. In the UK we have 6 different types of citizenship - reflecting Empire etc....

To me it's just an oddity. And chances are I've lost my US citizenship by now anyway...I've not lived in the US since 1982 and left there when I was 14 or 15...

[Sheldon Cooper Worshippers]

Oh dear. I can stand Mitt, but Paul Ryan is out of the question. I would've supported Obama even if it wasn't Ryan as the running mate.

[TaQud]

Oh dear. I can stand Mitt, but Paul Ryan is out of the question. I would've supported Obama even if it wasn't Ryan as the running mate.

I would've supported obama even if Romney chose any VP Candidate.

[Vermmeria]

I find it funny that I'm British and yet I take far more interest in the US election than the British ones. I guess it's because here in Britain all the politicians are plain morons (with the exception of Boris Johnson, who is a national hero) while over across the pond there's a clear good guy-bad guy thing going on between Obama and Mittens. So I'm Obama all the way, he's a smart man, I like him and he's done some pretty good stuff for America.

[Wikkiwallana]

Would he have been less of a yank if the minimum residency requirement never existed and all children of citizens were citizens?

If he did not satisfy the requirements I would not have that citizenship.

That's my point, there shouldn't be a requirement. The idea that the age and occupational duration of a parent is important should be done away with.

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If he did not satisfy the requirements I would not have that citizenship.

That's my point, there shouldn't be a requirement. The idea that the age and occupational duration of a parent is important should be done away with.

You must have missed this bit -

do I personally agree with the mechanism? Not really

Of course I am also of the mind that things like national borders and nations states are things that should be done away with but that's an entirely different thread

[Alien Space Bats]

I wonder what Obama's faith is.

Clearly, he's a Protestant.

If you're asking what denomination he is, I would say (based on past affiliation) that he's a member of the United Church of Christ.

[Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f]

I wonder what Obama's faith is.

Clearly, he's a Protestant.

If you're asking what denomination he is, I would say (based on past affiliation) that he's a member of the United Church of Christ.

He's a Wahhabist Indonesian Christian Crypto-Kenyan. Really, I thought you knew!

[Democratic Koyro]

After seeing some videos on both Romney and Ryan, i can safely say i would not piss on either of them if they were on fire to save them. Evil bastards.