Romney VS Obama: The Megathread

[Wamitoria]

Assuming the GOP doesn't break up after Romney's defeat. It depends on how badly he goes down. Remember ASB's analysis, the Republicans have their rudder jammed hard a-starboard. The farther they go to the right, the more likely it is that moderates will simply give up and desert them.

Is it possible we'll see three major parties, at least for a while?

Yes. If, say, a moderate runs against a very conservative candidate (trying to use the argument that they lost to Obama because they were too extreme) and the primary is epically bloody, you may have a three-person race.

[Farnhamia]

It will define his legacy.

If he takes the stance of "ok bitches; I don't have to worry about re-election. You want to play......"

He's already starting to grow balls before the election. I can't wait to see true progress this time around.


But if a Republican wins in 2016, everything he has done will be instantly reverted.

That depends on what happens with Congress.

[The Black Forrest]

It will define his legacy.

If he takes the stance of "ok bitches; I don't have to worry about re-election. You want to play......"

He's already starting to grow balls before the election. I can't wait to see true progress this time around.


But if a Republican wins in 2016, everything he has done will be instantly reverted.

Not really.

The shrubs shit went on for a few years.

I swag it takes about 2 years to finish the other guys stuff......

[AllegoryB]

I like Gary Johnson and Ron Paul. I would like to see a real game changer instead of just one of the puppets from the illusory pseudo two party system. We need a president who will audit the Fed, and get the government from destroying the constitution and civil liberties.

[Divair]

Is it possible we'll see three major parties, at least for a while?

Yes. If, say, a moderate runs against a very conservative candidate (trying to use the argument that they lost to Obama because they were too extreme) and the primary is epically bloody, you may have a three-person race.

Three people I could see happening, but what about three major parties?

[Wamitoria]

I like Gary Johnson and Ron Paul. I would like to see a real game changer instead of just one of the puppets from the illusory pseudo two party system. We need a president who will audit the Fed, and get the government from destroying the constitution and civil liberties.

Then Ron Paul is not your guy.

[The Black Forrest]

I like Gary Johnson and Ron Paul. I would like to see a real game changer instead of just one of the puppets from the illusory pseudo two party system. We need a president who will audit the Fed, and get the government from destroying the constitution and civil liberties.

The President can do all that?

[Divair]

I like Gary Johnson and Ron Paul. I would like to see a real game changer instead of just one of the puppets from the illusory pseudo two party system. We need a president who will audit the Fed, and get the government from destroying the constitution and civil liberties.

The President can do all that?

Duh, don't you know? The president is Superman in political form

[Farnhamia]

I like Gary Johnson and Ron Paul. I would like to see a real game changer instead of just one of the puppets from the illusory pseudo two party system. We need a president who will audit the Fed, and get the government from destroying the constitution and civil liberties.

What would an audit of the Federal Reserve show? Can you explain that to me?

[Wamitoria]

Yes. If, say, a moderate runs against a very conservative candidate (trying to use the argument that they lost to Obama because they were too extreme) and the primary is epically bloody, you may have a three-person race.

Three people I could see happening, but what about three major parties?

Depends upon who won the primary. If the moderate wins, you could see a third party emerge (or someone could resurrect the American Independent Party). If the hardcore right-wing candidate wins, the third candidate would likely be an independent.

[Aethrys]

Stewart Alexander. He hasn't got a chance of winning, but I don't believe in complaining about the results of an election if I chose not to vote in it.

[Farnhamia]

Stewart Alexander. He hasn't got a chance of winning, but I don't believe in complaining about the results of an election if I chose not to vote in it.

Here's the thing, if Stewart Alexander or any of the others got in, how much would they be able to accomplish with Congress still filled with Democrats and Republicans? Please explain, I would love to learn.

[Revolutopia]

I like Gary Johnson and Ron Paul. I would like to see a real game changer instead of just one of the puppets from the illusory pseudo two party system. We need a president who will audit the Fed, and get the government from destroying the constitution and civil liberties.

How is Ron Paul, a man who has ran as Republican for over 20 years, not part of the two party system?

Also, the Fed has been audited.

[Aethrys]

Stewart Alexander. He hasn't got a chance of winning, but I don't believe in complaining about the results of an election if I chose not to vote in it.

Here's the thing, if Stewart Alexander or any of the others got in, how much would they be able to accomplish with Congress still filled with Democrats and Republicans? Please explain, I would love to learn.

Jack shit. However, if America were to miraculously get a socialist president and not utterly collapse or turn to stalinism, I think there's a good chance this would raise support for the socialists and help get more of them elected to the legislature.

Just getting socialists on the national stage and not just as some evil boogeyman for Fox to shout about would be a major step in the right direction.

[Revolutopia]

Here's the thing, if Stewart Alexander or any of the others got in, how much would they be able to accomplish with Congress still filled with Democrats and Republicans? Please explain, I would love to learn.

Jack shit. However, if America were to miraculously get a socialist president and not utterly collapse or turn to stalinism, I think there's a good chance this would raise support for the socialists and help get more of them elected to the legislature.

Just getting socialists on the national stage and not just as some evil boogeyman for Fox to shout about would be a major step in the right direction.

Wouldn't it be better to elect them to the states and House before shooting for the moon?

[Farnhamia]

Jack shit. However, if America were to miraculously get a socialist president and not utterly collapse or turn to stalinism, I think there's a good chance this would raise support for the socialists and help get more of them elected to the legislature.

Just getting socialists on the national stage and not just as some evil boogeyman for Fox to shout about would be a major step in the right direction.

Wouldn't it be better to elect them to the states and House before shooting for the moon?

That's been my point whenever a minor party fan turns up. You have to admit, though, always shooting the moon provides an automatic out: it's the evil corporate media refusing to give those candidates any air time, not the fact that people simply don't vote for them.

[Revolutopia]

Wouldn't it be better to elect them to the states and House before shooting for the moon?

That's been my point whenever a minor party fan turns up. You have to admit, though, always shooting the moon provides an automatic out: it's the evil corporate media refusing to give those candidates any air time, not the fact that people simply don't vote for them.

Honestly, all these third partyers should look to Bernie Sanders as inspiration. As there you have a man, who independent from the two parties, has worked his way up from major to US representative to US senator instead of shooting his load at the presidency.

[The Black Forrest]

Jack shit. However, if America were to miraculously get a socialist president and not utterly collapse or turn to stalinism, I think there's a good chance this would raise support for the socialists and help get more of them elected to the legislature.

Just getting socialists on the national stage and not just as some evil boogeyman for Fox to shout about would be a major step in the right direction.

Wouldn't it be better to elect them to the states and House before shooting for the moon?

You understand why third parties never succeed.

[Aethrys]

You can't get votes if people don't know who you are. I fail to see anything wrong with trying to draw as much attention to the party as they can. It's not like the socialists are trying to win, anyway. If they can get some members by getting their platform out there, that's a victory.

[Wikkiwallana]

No, Fox News actively misinforms viewers:
http://publicmind.fdu.edu/2011/knowless/
http://www.desmogblog.com/fox-news-view ... on-stewart

Whilst Fox News is God dammed awful,(I say that with a British accent by the way) the Cartoon News Network,(CNN) is little better. MSNBC, okish, but a lot of news channels don't really tell you anything.

Where did I say anything about either of them? And how does what they do or don't do excuse Fox?

[Farnhamia]

You can't get votes if people don't know who you are. I fail to see anything wrong with trying to draw as much attention to the party as they can. It's not like the socialists are trying to win, anyway. If they can get some members by getting their platform out there, that's a victory.

You do it by running for local offices and getting people to know you on practical issues, like the damned potholes on Main Street or the upkeep of the city parks, stuff like that. You get people elected to the state legislatures, to zoning boards, to school boards. You work up from the people. Don't you believe in local action? Trying for the brass ring every time hasn't worked all that well, has it?

[The Nuclear Fist]

You can't get votes if people don't know who you are. I fail to see anything wrong with trying to draw as much attention to the party as they can. It's not like the socialists are trying to win, anyway. If they can get some members by getting their platform out there, that's a victory.

That's an incredibly stupid and shortsighted plan. Work your way from the bottom. Gain local support, bastions of followers in a city or two. Once you have a solid support base, begin to work getting people elected into local positions, invest in ads, including attack ads, and engage in many meetings with the local populace. Begin programs aimed at helping people out, real feel good things. Start small.

[Wikkiwallana]

It's a toss up between Vermin Supreme and Ron Paul.

I believe you you should know: only the former is trying to be funny.

[The Black Forrest]

You can't get votes if people don't know who you are. I fail to see anything wrong with trying to draw as much attention to the party as they can. It's not like the socialists are trying to win, anyway. If they can get some members by getting their platform out there, that's a victory.

That's the problem which the third parties don't get.

A figurehead spouting political lollypops doesn't create a base of support.

People are not wedded to the Republicans or Democrats. They just tend to be the ones who don't sound insane or delusional.

People want solutions to problems and if a third party actually had ideas; people would be interested.

The President should be the last thing on a third parties list. Local and state governments should be the effort......

[Fishyland]

Other: Ron Paul
I think ron paul has everything right except his gold standard plan which is what we need but isn't feasable right now. He also has a good track record in congress for he has been right most of the time. And overall I like his liberal approach. He wants what most americans want.
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