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Who do you support in the USA presidential election?

Mitt Romney
451
22%
Barack Obama
1114
54%
Gary Johnson
106
5%
Jill Stein
118
6%
Ron Paul
264
13%
 
Total votes : 2053

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Postby Divair » Wed Jun 20, 2012 10:34 am

Inter de Milano wrote:
Wamitoria wrote:Aren't you against Gay Marriage and abortion?


That doesn't make me a super far right Rick Santorum Republican! And a question mark on the first one. To quote Obama, I'm "Evolving"

You are quite far right wing, actually. Even the conservative right wing parties in most European countries (or Canada) are neutral or okay with gay marriage/abortion.

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Postby Wamitoria » Wed Jun 20, 2012 10:34 am

Inter de Milano wrote:
Wamitoria wrote:Aren't you against Gay Marriage and abortion?


That doesn't make me a super far right Rick Santorum Republican! And a question mark on the first one. To quote Obama, I'm "Evolving"

No, no, no, no, no. I'm not saying that you're super-far-right or anything. I'm just saying that you'd be considered firmly on the right in Europe.

Rick Santorum would be lucky to get 0.1% of the vote in any part of Europe (maybe a bit more in Poland).
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Postby Milks Empire » Wed Jun 20, 2012 10:35 am

Inter de Milano wrote:
Wamitoria wrote:Aren't you against Gay Marriage and abortion?

That doesn't make me a super far right Rick Santorum Republican! And a question mark on the first one. To quote Obama, I'm "Evolving"

Actually, yeah, the former kinda does. The latter... I classify myself pro-not-touching-that-one-with-a-39-1/2'-pole.

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Postby Inter de Milano » Wed Jun 20, 2012 10:37 am

Divair wrote:
Inter de Milano wrote:
That doesn't make me a super far right Rick Santorum Republican! And a question mark on the first one. To quote Obama, I'm "Evolving"

You are quite far right wing, actually. Even the conservative right wing parties in most European countries (or Canada) are neutral or okay with gay marriage/abortion.


Even though I have more economically liberal (or whatever the European equivalent is) views?
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Postby Wamitoria » Wed Jun 20, 2012 10:38 am

Inter de Milano wrote:
Divair wrote:You are quite far right wing, actually. Even the conservative right wing parties in most European countries (or Canada) are neutral or okay with gay marriage/abortion.


Even though I have more economically liberal (or whatever the European equivalent is) views?

Yeah. Most European center-right parties would have the exact same economic policies as the US Democratic Party were it not for their insane obsession with austerity.
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Postby Free Soviets » Wed Jun 20, 2012 10:39 am

Wamitoria wrote:

Yeah, they thought he was in favor of single-payer healthcare (which he never was) and they are upset about the Infinite Detention provisions in this years NDAA and they blame him for congress refusing to close Guantanamo. They refuse to factor in his steadfast support of family planning, his reasonable immigration policy, and his support of gay marriage. Nor do they factor in his anti-austerity attitudes, etc.

They also rank Ron Paul as anywhere other than the upper-right hand corner.

That site has essentially been taken over by fringe nutters.

wow, they really did score him on the basis of how frequently his stated aims have failed to get past republican obstructionism. like, yeesh, that sort of undermines the entire point of ranking individual leaders. its more of a 'government as a whole' score.

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Postby Divair » Wed Jun 20, 2012 10:39 am

Inter de Milano wrote:
Divair wrote:You are quite far right wing, actually. Even the conservative right wing parties in most European countries (or Canada) are neutral or okay with gay marriage/abortion.


Even though I have more economically liberal (or whatever the European equivalent is) views?

American liberal, you mean?

Yea, right wing. If your views on gay marriage and abortion change, maybe center-right.

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Postby Socialist EU » Wed Jun 20, 2012 10:57 am

Wamitoria wrote:
Inter de Milano wrote:
That doesn't make me a super far right Rick Santorum Republican! And a question mark on the first one. To quote Obama, I'm "Evolving"

No, no, no, no, no. I'm not saying that you're super-far-right or anything. I'm just saying that you'd be considered firmly on the right in Europe.

Rick Santorum would be lucky to get 0.1% of the vote in any part of Europe (maybe a bit more in Poland).


I think the US elections will turn out to be rather dull,(with some petty bickering from both the dems and repubs during the campaign) they won't be as interesting as the previous European countries' elections. :D
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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Jun 20, 2012 11:02 am

Cognasi wrote:I am disgusted by the amount of Obama support on this web site. Bunch of bleeding heart leftist college students.


*shrugs*

Many people like Obama. Especially the among the lower classes.

The mendacious Mr. Romney is not a great option.

Even my more rabid republican relatives don't like him. The majority are staying home this election......
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Postby Wamitoria » Wed Jun 20, 2012 11:10 am

Socialist EU wrote:
Wamitoria wrote:No, no, no, no, no. I'm not saying that you're super-far-right or anything. I'm just saying that you'd be considered firmly on the right in Europe.

Rick Santorum would be lucky to get 0.1% of the vote in any part of Europe (maybe a bit more in Poland).


I think the US elections will turn out to be rather dull,(with some petty bickering from both the dems and repubs during the campaign) they won't be as interesting as the previous European countries' elections. :D

What happens after the election is going to be much more interesting.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Jun 20, 2012 11:11 am

Wamitoria wrote:
Socialist EU wrote:
I think the US elections will turn out to be rather dull,(with some petty bickering from both the dems and repubs during the campaign) they won't be as interesting as the previous European countries' elections. :D

What happens after the election is going to be much more interesting.


Or pretty damn scary.
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Postby Wamitoria » Wed Jun 20, 2012 11:13 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
Wamitoria wrote:What happens after the election is going to be much more interesting.


Or pretty damn scary.

Depending upon who wins, of course.
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Postby Divair » Wed Jun 20, 2012 11:13 am

Wamitoria wrote:
Socialist EU wrote:
I think the US elections will turn out to be rather dull,(with some petty bickering from both the dems and repubs during the campaign) they won't be as interesting as the previous European countries' elections. :D

What happens after the election is going to be much more interesting.

2016 is going to be twice as interesting. And scary.

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Postby Wamitoria » Wed Jun 20, 2012 11:14 am

Divair wrote:
Wamitoria wrote:What happens after the election is going to be much more interesting.

2016 is going to be twice as interesting. And scary.

Especially if Obama wins.

Mostly because it'll be a Democratic candidate versus the most insane reactionary Republican who has ever run for office.
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Postby Divair » Wed Jun 20, 2012 11:16 am

Wamitoria wrote:
Divair wrote:2016 is going to be twice as interesting. And scary.

Especially if Obama wins.

Mostly because it'll be a Democratic candidate versus the most insane reactionary Republican who has ever run for office.

I fear that a Republican will win in 2016. It seems like American likes to flip flop between the parties.

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Postby Europe and Asia » Wed Jun 20, 2012 11:16 am

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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Jun 20, 2012 11:16 am

Wamitoria wrote:
Divair wrote:2016 is going to be twice as interesting. And scary.

Especially if Obama wins.

Mostly because it'll be a Democratic candidate versus the most insane reactionary Republican who has ever run for office.

Assuming the GOP doesn't break up after Romney's defeat. It depends on how badly he goes down. Remember ASB's analysis, the Republicans have their rudder jammed hard a-starboard. The farther they go to the right, the more likely it is that moderates will simply give up and desert them.
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Postby Milks Empire » Wed Jun 20, 2012 11:17 am

Europe and Asia wrote:Ted Nugent For President!

How about Ted Nugent for exile? Fucking chickenhawk.

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Postby The Steel Magnolia » Wed Jun 20, 2012 11:17 am

Europe and Asia wrote:Ted Nugent For President!


No.

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Postby Divair » Wed Jun 20, 2012 11:17 am

Farnhamia wrote:
Wamitoria wrote:Especially if Obama wins.

Mostly because it'll be a Democratic candidate versus the most insane reactionary Republican who has ever run for office.

Assuming the GOP doesn't break up after Romney's defeat. It depends on how badly he goes down. Remember ASB's analysis, the Republicans have their rudder jammed hard a-starboard. The farther they go to the right, the more likely it is that moderates will simply give up and desert them.

Is it possible we'll see three major parties, at least for a while?

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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Jun 20, 2012 11:17 am

Wamitoria wrote:
Divair wrote:2016 is going to be twice as interesting. And scary.

Especially if Obama wins.

Mostly because it'll be a Democratic candidate versus the most insane reactionary Republican who has ever run for office.


It will define his legacy.

If he takes the stance of "ok bitches; I don't have to worry about re-election. You want to play......"
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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Jun 20, 2012 11:18 am

Divair wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Assuming the GOP doesn't break up after Romney's defeat. It depends on how badly he goes down. Remember ASB's analysis, the Republicans have their rudder jammed hard a-starboard. The farther they go to the right, the more likely it is that moderates will simply give up and desert them.

Is it possible we'll see three major parties, at least for a while?

Maybe, but the Democrats will command the government for a considerable time if that happens. Of course, if Romney wins a substantial victory, the Republicans could end up in power for just as long.
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Postby Divair » Wed Jun 20, 2012 11:18 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
Wamitoria wrote:Especially if Obama wins.

Mostly because it'll be a Democratic candidate versus the most insane reactionary Republican who has ever run for office.


It will define his legacy.

If he takes the stance of "ok bitches; I don't have to worry about re-election. You want to play......"

He's already starting to grow balls before the election. I can't wait to see true progress this time around.


But if a Republican wins in 2016, everything he has done will be instantly reverted.

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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Jun 20, 2012 11:19 am

Milks Empire wrote:
Europe and Asia wrote:Ted Nugent For President!

How about Ted Nugent for exile? Fucking chickenhawk.


Hey now. He is not a chickenhawk. Deer are pretty scary. Bambi may have looked cute but Disney hid the truth!
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* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Postby Divair » Wed Jun 20, 2012 11:19 am

Farnhamia wrote:
Divair wrote:Is it possible we'll see three major parties, at least for a while?

Maybe, but the Democrats will command the government for a considerable time if that happens. Of course, if Romney wins a substantial victory, the Republicans could end up in power for just as long.

Obama with a Democrat majority for four years?

It'll be like FDR all over again. Pure win.

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