Vaccines are poison!

[AiliailiA]

Quite right. I think you'd need a commercial-kitchen sized food processor. A blender is obviously too small. An ordinary kitchen food-processor would barely give you a haircut.

I would even push it up to an industrial factory shredder thingy.

That would make sense. Get the haircut, the nose-job and the dental work, all in under two seconds.

Now, what was your problem with Pakistanis no longer trusting vaccination services? I think it's quite understandable.

Get you kid vaccinated, so stealth helicopters from a mighty foreign power can turn up in the dead of night and kick six colours of shit out of the weird hermit guy on the next block. If I was (as most parents are) more concerned about my child than about whether Osama bin Laden lives or dies, I'd be PISSED AS FUCK and ... seriously ...

I'd be pissed. I'd be more suspicious of vacinnes offered to my child, even if they were from the Pakistani government. I'd be much more inclined to believe the anti-vaccine bullshit which is smeared all over the internet. I'd be less inclined to do what (before this 'operation') I would have seen as being in the interests of my child.

Obama killed Osama, yay. Good end (though I would have preferred if he had been captured and put on trial). But the Means ... oh, America ... I was appalled when I read "fake vaccination program". America, I hated you. Then I was ashamed for you (us). Then I was sorry for you. It's just appalling, that to "get your man", your trophy leader of a fake enemy, that you would do such a horrible thing, which will cost millions of innocent lives over the next twenty or thirty years. It was cruel, and callous, and no competent President would have tolerated it to go on. Ford would have blocked it outright, because Ford was all about "healing the wounds" done by Nixon. (Ford would be in my top ten of Presidents, btw. Man did what he had to, to rescue the office he held). Jimmy Carter wouldn't have had a bar of it. Ronald Reagan would have let it be, providing he was given plausible deniabilty from the CIA. The elder Bush would have tried to phase it out, because no CIA ever told HIM what to do. Then we have Clinton. *sigh* He'd have wanted to shut it down, but he was modern. He was adapted to the way it is for President's now: you must give the military it's due share in your "Presidential" duties, or the military will mis-serve you. It's what the mighty Ike warned us of. It is done now, the "military industrial complex" which supposedly serves the government, and exists only because government pays it to exist, is the fourth seat of power in US government.

Then George Walker Bush. Went bush-walking without his GPS. Somehow managed to land on an aircraft carrier with a big banner hanging from the command structure, sez "mission accomplished". It has gone beyond "maybe the elite military command is getting a bit too much influence in national policy" to "yep, that's definitely Obama there in the circle jerk with the chiefs of staff. Doing pretty well considering he's Kenyan. Not bad for gay porn, now I need Condoleeza Rice." And just click away from it. No-one cares much any more. Reagan did it, and it's done. That 40% increase in military spending over his first term. Did it. The Military-Industrial Complex is now the fourth pillar of government in the USA.

I know it's a crazy rant, and I'll try to end on a more rational note: Elect Ron Paul! Ron Paul 2012!

[Forsher]

I would even push it up to an industrial factory shredder thingy.

That would make sense. Get the haircut, the nose-job and the dental work, all in under two seconds.

Now, what was your problem with Pakistanis no longer trusting vaccination services? I think it's quite understandable.

Get you kid vaccinated, so stealth helicopters from a mighty foreign power can turn up in the dead of night and kick six colours of shit out of the weird hermit guy on the next block. If I was (as most parents are) more concerned about my child than about whether Osama bin Laden lives or dies, I'd be PISSED AS FUCK and ... seriously ...

I'd be pissed. I'd be more suspicious of vacinnes offered to my child, even if they were from the Pakistani government. I'd be much more inclined to believe the anti-vaccine bullshit which is smeared all over the internet. I'd be less inclined to do what (before this 'operation') I would have seen as being in the interests of my child.

Obama killed Osama, yay. Good end (though I would have preferred if he had been captured and put on trial). But the Means ... oh, America ... I was appalled when I read "fake vaccination program". America, I hated you. Then I was ashamed for you (us). Then I was sorry for you. It's just appalling, that to "get your man", your trophy leader of a fake enemy, that you would do such a horrible thing, which will cost millions of innocent lives over the next twenty or thirty years. It was cruel, and callous, and no competent President would have tolerated it to go on. Ford would have blocked it outright, because Ford was all about "healing the wounds" done by Nixon. (Ford would be in my top ten of Presidents, btw. Man did what he had to, to rescue the office he held). Jimmy Carter wouldn't have had a bar of it. Ronald Reagan would have let it be, providing he was given plausible deniabilty from the CIA. The elder Bush would have tried to phase it out, because no CIA ever told HIM what to do. Then we have Clinton. *sigh* He'd have wanted to shut it down, but he was modern. He was adapted to the way it is for President's now: you must give the military it's due share in your "Presidential" duties, or the military will mis-serve you. It's what the mighty Ike warned us of. It is done now, the "military industrial complex" which supposedly serves the government, and exists only because government pays it to exist, is the fourth seat of power in US government.

Then George Walker Bush. Went bush-walking without his GPS. Somehow managed to land on an aircraft carrier with a big banner hanging from the command structure, sez "mission accomplished". It has gone beyond "maybe the elite military command is getting a bit too much influence in national policy" to "yep, that's definitely Obama there in the circle jerk with the chiefs of staff. Doing pretty well considering he's Kenyan. Not bad for gay porn, now I need Condoleeza Rice." And just click away from it. No-one cares much any more. Reagan did it, and it's done. That 40% increase in military spending over his first term. Did it. The Military-Industrial Complex is now the fourth pillar of government in the USA.

I know it's a crazy rant, and I'll try to end on a more rational note: Elect Ron Paul! Ron Paul 2012!

I have difficulty telling which bits are serious and which isn't. That's a good thing, it means fact is hidden in the humour.

[AiliailiA]

That would make sense. Get the haircut, the nose-job and the dental work, all in under two seconds.

Now, what was your problem with Pakistanis no longer trusting vaccination services? I think it's quite understandable.

Get you kid vaccinated, so stealth helicopters from a mighty foreign power can turn up in the dead of night and kick six colours of shit out of the weird hermit guy on the next block. If I was (as most parents are) more concerned about my child than about whether Osama bin Laden lives or dies, I'd be PISSED AS FUCK and ... seriously ...

I'd be pissed. I'd be more suspicious of vacinnes offered to my child, even if they were from the Pakistani government. I'd be much more inclined to believe the anti-vaccine bullshit which is smeared all over the internet. I'd be less inclined to do what (before this 'operation') I would have seen as being in the interests of my child.

Obama killed Osama, yay. Good end (though I would have preferred if he had been captured and put on trial). But the Means ... oh, America ... I was appalled when I read "fake vaccination program". America, I hated you. Then I was ashamed for you (us). Then I was sorry for you. It's just appalling, that to "get your man", your trophy leader of a fake enemy, that you would do such a horrible thing, which will cost millions of innocent lives over the next twenty or thirty years. It was cruel, and callous, and no competent President would have tolerated it to go on. Ford would have blocked it outright, because Ford was all about "healing the wounds" done by Nixon. (Ford would be in my top ten of Presidents, btw. Man did what he had to, to rescue the office he held). Jimmy Carter wouldn't have had a bar of it. Ronald Reagan would have let it be, providing he was given plausible deniabilty from the CIA. The elder Bush would have tried to phase it out, because no CIA ever told HIM what to do. Then we have Clinton. *sigh* He'd have wanted to shut it down, but he was modern. He was adapted to the way it is for President's now: you must give the military it's due share in your "Presidential" duties, or the military will mis-serve you. It's what the mighty Ike warned us of. It is done now, the "military industrial complex" which supposedly serves the government, and exists only because government pays it to exist, is the fourth seat of power in US government.

Then George Walker Bush. Went bush-walking without his GPS. Somehow managed to land on an aircraft carrier with a big banner hanging from the command structure, sez "mission accomplished". It has gone beyond "maybe the elite military command is getting a bit too much influence in national policy" to "yep, that's definitely Obama there in the circle jerk with the chiefs of staff. Doing pretty well considering he's Kenyan. Not bad for gay porn, now I need Condoleeza Rice." And just click away from it. No-one cares much any more. Reagan did it, and it's done. That 40% increase in military spending over his first term. Did it. The Military-Industrial Complex is now the fourth pillar of government in the USA.

I know it's a crazy rant, and I'll try to end on a more rational note: Elect Ron Paul! Ron Paul 2012!

I have difficulty telling which bits are serious and which isn't. That's a good thing, it means fact is hidden in the humour.

Yes, sir. But there is anger there too. Ike was right.

[AiliailiA]

That would make sense. Get the haircut, the nose-job and the dental work, all in under two seconds.

Now, what was your problem with Pakistanis no longer trusting vaccination services? I think it's quite understandable.

Get you kid vaccinated, so stealth helicopters from a mighty foreign power can turn up in the dead of night and kick six colours of shit out of the weird hermit guy on the next block. If I was (as most parents are) more concerned about my child than about whether Osama bin Laden lives or dies, I'd be PISSED AS FUCK and ... seriously ...

I'd be pissed. I'd be more suspicious of vacinnes offered to my child, even if they were from the Pakistani government. I'd be much more inclined to believe the anti-vaccine bullshit which is smeared all over the internet. I'd be less inclined to do what (before this 'operation') I would have seen as being in the interests of my child.

Obama killed Osama, yay. Good end (though I would have preferred if he had been captured and put on trial). But the Means ... oh, America ... I was appalled when I read "fake vaccination program". America, I hated you. Then I was ashamed for you (us). Then I was sorry for you. It's just appalling, that to "get your man", your trophy leader of a fake enemy, that you would do such a horrible thing, which will cost millions of innocent lives over the next twenty or thirty years. It was cruel, and callous, and no competent President would have tolerated it to go on. Ford would have blocked it outright, because Ford was all about "healing the wounds" done by Nixon. (Ford would be in my top ten of Presidents, btw. Man did what he had to, to rescue the office he held). Jimmy Carter wouldn't have had a bar of it. Ronald Reagan would have let it be, providing he was given plausible deniabilty from the CIA. The elder Bush would have tried to phase it out, because no CIA ever told HIM what to do. Then we have Clinton. *sigh* He'd have wanted to shut it down, but he was modern. He was adapted to the way it is for President's now: you must give the military it's due share in your "Presidential" duties, or the military will mis-serve you. It's what the mighty Ike warned us of. It is done now, the "military industrial complex" which supposedly serves the government, and exists only because government pays it to exist, is the fourth seat of power in US government.

Then George Walker Bush. Went bush-walking without his GPS. Somehow managed to land on an aircraft carrier with a big banner hanging from the command structure, sez "mission accomplished". It has gone beyond "maybe the elite military command is getting a bit too much influence in national policy" to "yep, that's definitely Obama there in the circle jerk with the chiefs of staff. Doing pretty well considering he's Kenyan. Not bad for gay porn, now I need Condoleeza Rice." And just click away from it. No-one cares much any more. Reagan did it, and it's done. That 40% increase in military spending over his first term. Did it. The Military-Industrial Complex is now the fourth pillar of government in the USA.

I know it's a crazy rant, and I'll try to end on a more rational note: Elect Ron Paul! Ron Paul 2012!

I have difficulty telling which bits are serious and which isn't. That's a good thing, it means fact is hidden in the humour.

On second thoughts: I'll stand behind every word of it, except the last line inside the spoiler. It's all serious, except that last line.

I wouldn't vote for Ron Paul. I'd write in "the rent is too high".

[Nidaria]

When I saw this title, I was expecting it to be about flu vaccines and the like. I believe that refusing to take vaccines for serious diseases such as polio is a bad idea. Vaccines should be tested to make sure they do not contain harmful chemicals. Flu vaccines (besides being useless) can contain dangerous substances such as mercury. Moreover, they do not compare to the cold-curing effects of vitamin D. One merely has to take about 10,000 IU of vitamin D at the first sign of cold or flu and the illness will go away. If you doubt me, try it yourself. I have only gotten a cold once in four years because of vitamin D (and that one time was because I took the Vitamin D about ten hours after the first symptom appeared).

[SaintB]

It is a sad day, when the poll shows that 30 percent of people think that vaccines are dangerous.

Lets be fair here... vaccines are dangerous - you're being injected with a virus that has been severely weakened. The majority of immune systems can pick it up destroy and create anti-bodies without much trouble if any but there are cases were people with weaker systems or certain allergies actually get sick from them and in extremely rare cases are infected with the disease itself. BUT they are far safer than not getting a vaccination at all.

It is sad and disgusting if people buy into the hype though.

[Tagmatium]

They're safer than polio.

Probably.

A polio vaccine is significantly better than having polio.

There ain't no "probably" about it.

Whilst I do agree with some of your points, the rest of it is fantasy. Which isn't something you've not done before.

[Ifreann]

When I saw this title, I was expecting it to be about flu vaccines and the like. I believe that refusing to take vaccines for serious diseases such as polio is a bad idea. Vaccines should be tested to make sure they do not contain harmful chemicals. Flu vaccines (besides being useless) can contain dangerous substances such as mercury. Moreover, they do not compare to the cold-curing effects of vitamin D. One merely has to take about 10,000 IU of vitamin D at the first sign of cold or flu and the illness will go away. If you doubt me...

Good. You should always be sceptical of medical advice that isn't from qualified, reputable professionals.

[Ashmoria]

Or, at least, so say the Pakistanis.

http://articles.cnn.com/2012-06-06/asia ... _s=PM:ASIA

As it turns out, the Pakistanis are now refusing to give their kids polio vaccines...and the number of cases is on the rise, it's gonna hit the roof and head to the moon any time now. All this is because we were using vaccines to catch Bin Laden.

Seriously.

So what does everyone else make of this? Why are people so afraid of vaccines anyway, even when their own health is in danger by not taking them?

....

would YOU take a shot that was being given out by the CIA?

[Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f]

When I saw this title, I was expecting it to be about flu vaccines and the like. I believe that refusing to take vaccines for serious diseases such as polio is a bad idea. Vaccines should be tested to make sure they do not contain harmful chemicals. Flu vaccines (besides being useless) can contain dangerous substances such as mercury. Moreover, they do not compare to the cold-curing effects of vitamin D. One merely has to take about 10,000 IU of vitamin D at the first sign of cold or flu and the illness will go away. If you doubt me...

Good. You should always be sceptical of medical advice that isn't from qualified, reputable professionals.

Now for the chorus of appeals to authority making your comment a fallacy

Of course you are right.

[Ovisterra]

Or, at least, so say the Pakistanis.

http://articles.cnn.com/2012-06-06/asia ... _s=PM:ASIA

As it turns out, the Pakistanis are now refusing to give their kids polio vaccines...and the number of cases is on the rise, it's gonna hit the roof and head to the moon any time now. All this is because we were using vaccines to catch Bin Laden.

Seriously.

So what does everyone else make of this? Why are people so afraid of vaccines anyway, even when their own health is in danger by not taking them?

....

would YOU take a shot that was being given out by the CIA?

Wait, they were being given out by the CIA? Wow, it seems I missed the point of this thread.

Mind you, if the choice was between no vaccine and a CIA vaccine, I'd probably still take it. Much as I distrust the CIA, polio ain't fun.

[Ashmoria]

....

would YOU take a shot that was being given out by the CIA?

Wait, they were being given out by the CIA? Wow, it seems I missed the point of this thread.

Mind you, if the choice was between no vaccine and a CIA vaccine, I'd probably still take it. Much as I distrust the CIA, polio ain't fun.

do you think that a US health agency has an intelligence arm that was looking for bin laden?

[Ovisterra]

Wait, they were being given out by the CIA? Wow, it seems I missed the point of this thread.

Mind you, if the choice was between no vaccine and a CIA vaccine, I'd probably still take it. Much as I distrust the CIA, polio ain't fun.

do you think that a US health agency has an intelligence arm that was looking for bin laden?

Nope. I'm just saying, if the CIA had been offering me (fake) vaccines, I would likely have taken 'em.

Of course, that particular betrayal of trust was douchebaggery at it's worst. Just look at what it has done.

[Ashmoria]

do you think that a US health agency has an intelligence arm that was looking for bin laden?

Nope. I'm just saying, if the CIA had been offering me (fake) vaccines, I would likely have taken 'em.

Of course, that particular betrayal of trust was douchebaggery at it's worst. Just look at what it has done.

ahhh

as would i have. but after finding out that the CIA was offering a fake vaccine program and i took the vaccine i would warn other people that that is what happened to me.

the UN needs to reach out to muslim clerics to convince THEM that vaccines are safe and effective. its a problem all over the muslim world.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

Well, there was that one study (which has since been retracted and the author discredited) that claimed that there was a link between vaccines and autism. Also, certain vaccines used some chemical made with mercury as a preservative (the one that I recall uses this is the measles vaccine; I don't know if other vaccines use this).

One specific vaccine, I might add, the British MMR (Measles, Mumps, Rubella) jab.
The study was based on twelve children with underlying problems culminating in autism.

A study that can only have been generated to discredit the MMR programme. It was actually published by a highly-respected member of the medical field, who has since been revoked.

[Ovisterra]

Nope. I'm just saying, if the CIA had been offering me (fake) vaccines, I would likely have taken 'em.

Of course, that particular betrayal of trust was douchebaggery at it's worst. Just look at what it has done.

ahhh

as would i have. but after finding out that the CIA was offering a fake vaccine program and i took the vaccine i would warn other people that that is what happened to me.

the UN needs to reach out to muslim clerics to convince THEM that vaccines are safe and effective. its a problem all over the muslim world.

Indeed.

Fucking CIA has to ruin everything.

[Stovokor]

Nope. I'm just saying, if the CIA had been offering me (fake) vaccines, I would likely have taken 'em.

Of course, that particular betrayal of trust was douchebaggery at it's worst. Just look at what it has done.

ahhh

as would i have. but after finding out that the CIA was offering a fake vaccine program and i took the vaccine i would warn other people that that is what happened to me.

the UN needs to reach out to muslim clerics to convince THEM that vaccines are safe and effective. its a problem all over the muslim world.

Or we could not and watch for the inevitable. I'm all for helping people but only the willing, I tend to have a sick fascination of watching people dig their own graves.

[AiliailiA]

Just look at what it has done.

It makes me weep ... not so much for what it has done, so obviously, but for what it will do less obviously. It destroyed decades of US good will in providing foreign aid. It will be hard to live down.

It was a Bad Idea. Jimmy Carter wouldn't have had a bar of it.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

I think part of the problem with modern society is it's hard to know what to believe as truth anymore. Anyone can say and does say pretty much whatever they want, and someone can somehow make it sound authoritative. So it's just hard for some people to trust that anything, including vaccines, really are good for them. I mean who can you really trust anymore?

When people can actively un-inform themselves to this degree, distrust so badly (the Pakistani in the article believed the vaccines were intended to cripple Muslim youth and make them infertile) or refuse to accept what's being told to their faces (some Afghan tribal elders are adamant that despite what they say in face to face meetings with ISAF officers, ISAF forces are in fact the Russians returning), I don't think you can really help people.

[Ashmoria]

ahhh

as would i have. but after finding out that the CIA was offering a fake vaccine program and i took the vaccine i would warn other people that that is what happened to me.

the UN needs to reach out to muslim clerics to convince THEM that vaccines are safe and effective. its a problem all over the muslim world.

Or we could not and watch for the inevitable. I'm all for helping people but only the willing, I tend to have a sick fascination of watching people dig their own graves.

they have been facing the inevitable for centuries. it turns out that dying of preventable diseases isnt good for them or for US.

[SaintB]

So these vaccines were fake, as in they didn't actually work? Or were they actual vaccines but given under fake pretenses?

[AiliailiA]

Mind you, if the choice was between no vaccine and a CIA vaccine, I'd probably still take it. Much as I distrust the CIA, polio ain't fun.

Yes, I would too. If I knew who was offering me the free vaccine, and there were no alternatives I could afford, I probably would take a shot from the CIA.

It's the secrecy ... the deception ... which makes it evil. Shots to prevent infection are a GOOD thing. They have side-effects which are bad, just like any medical treatment does. A well informed person would take those risks, for the good they expect of the shot. I am vaccinated (including for Hep B and flu, which I had to pay for) and I feel good about it: I took a small risk to avoid a greater risk, and I did my little bit for the good of the herd.

That such a good thing could be exploited, for the "national security" of some nation far away ... well, it is just appalling. It makes me sick. It was wrong.

[Chinese Regions]

I remember the mmr scare. Just stupid.

[Ashmoria]

So these vaccines were fake, as in they didn't actually work? Or were they actual vaccines but given under fake pretenses?

nah it was the hepB vaccine and they only gave the first dose.

[Stovokor]

Or we could not and watch for the inevitable. I'm all for helping people but only the willing, I tend to have a sick fascination of watching people dig their own graves.

they have been facing the inevitable for centuries. it turns out that dying of preventable diseases isnt good for them or for US.

Death has always been good for the U.S. well foreign death that is.. actually domestic death has also had beneficial effects as well..