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Postby Tlaceceyaya » Fri Jun 08, 2012 6:40 am

Moon Cows wrote:I'll pray for them.

Them being... whom?
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Postby Australasia » Fri Jun 08, 2012 6:40 am

Ifreann wrote:
Australasia wrote:
Iowa? Pretty liberal? Tell that to John Kerry!

Of course, it was by a unanimous state supreme court decision. But no riots or anything, and its still fine there and marriage equality is still there is Iowa - and gaining increasingly stronger support...

Perhaps the Iowa anti-gay bigots are having secret riots.


Well they are all uppity about it and trying their best to repeal it - but the way Iowa's constitution is designed, as I understand, it would take until 2016 or so to undo the state supreme court's decision. By that time it will be impossible as a majority of Iowans will support marriage equality (right now it about evenly split, with support increasing at a considerable pace). I imagine by then the US and the World will also have shifted in terms of LGBT rights: With several more countries and U.S states having legalized same-sex marriage, and the US Supreme Court having struck down DOMA, etc (right now US federal courts are literally lining up to burn DOMA - which denies federal recognition to same-sex marriages - recently it seems like every week a US federal district court or circuit court strikes it down).
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Postby Galician-Volhynian Federation » Fri Jun 08, 2012 6:41 am

Tlaceceyaya wrote:
Moon Cows wrote:I'll pray for them.

Them being... whom?

Moon Cows is a Romney backer. Do the math.

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Postby Dyakovo » Fri Jun 08, 2012 8:38 am

Farnhamia wrote:
Ceannairceach wrote:They would kill no one. As I said, they aren't as organized or as well funded as you think they are.

How many states allow gay marriage now? Six? Eight? I do watch the news and I have not heard of Christian fundamentalists rioting and killing people.

It's hushed up by the liberal media.
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Postby Dyakovo » Fri Jun 08, 2012 8:39 am

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Ceannairceach wrote:They would kill no one. As I said, they aren't as organized or as well funded as you think they are.

One man with a gun can kill dozens. And are you really willing to take that chance?

Yes.
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Jun 08, 2012 8:39 am

Dyakovo wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:How many states allow gay marriage now? Six? Eight? I do watch the news and I have not heard of Christian fundamentalists rioting and killing people.

It's hushed up by the liberal media.
*nods*

I would have thought we'd be more likely to invent such events to make conservatives look worse.
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Postby Farnhamia » Fri Jun 08, 2012 8:39 am

Dyakovo wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:How many states allow gay marriage now? Six? Eight? I do watch the news and I have not heard of Christian fundamentalists rioting and killing people.

It's hushed up by the liberal media.
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That explains it. I should have thought of that.
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Postby Cromarty » Fri Jun 08, 2012 9:03 am

Blouman Empire wrote:Alright if Denmark wins their first Euro game it means God approves if they lose then they should revoke gay marriage so they will win the championsip

What if God's a Holland fan?
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Postby Cromarty » Fri Jun 08, 2012 9:04 am

Jormengand wrote:-Make "marriage" a completely religious term,

And give in to bigotry.
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Postby Cromarty » Fri Jun 08, 2012 9:21 am

Jormengand wrote:
Ceannairceach wrote:No, it doesn't; It appeases bigots, which in no way helps homosexuals or their movement.

It ALSO means that Homosexuals and Heterosexuals get the same civil partnerships, without annoying anyone...

Not. That. Complicated....

Giving. In. To. Bigotry.

Which. Is. Bad.

Just. Like. Making. Points. Like. This.

Seriously. Don't. Do. It.

It. Doesn't. Drive. The. Point. Home. Like. You. Seem. To. Think. It. Does.

Also. Bonobos.
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Postby Cromarty » Fri Jun 08, 2012 9:22 am

Jormengand wrote:
Ceannairceach wrote:Which can be achieved by marriage equality, which annoys only people who are bigots, fools and assholes.

Not. That. Complicated.

And when the bigots, fools and assholes start rioting?
This is what the police is for.
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Postby Cromarty » Fri Jun 08, 2012 9:23 am

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Ceannairceach wrote:Then we show them why we have laws for all people, arrest them if they can be arrested, and give them due process.

And if they cannot be detained, immediate execution works too, if the threat is to great.

And what about the innocent people they killed, who they wouldn't have done if you hadn't provoked them?

Really? It's not the fault of the rioters if they kill people but the people they are rioting about? :palm:
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Postby Cromarty » Fri Jun 08, 2012 9:26 am

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Ceannairceach wrote:Perhaps the fundies shouldn't rebel then. Again, it is there fault for being intolerant, not ours for expanding rights to those who deserve it. What you are doing is a clear case of victim blaming, and nothing more.

But that is exactly what I am doing!
You're expanding the right to get married to people?
IT IS A WORD, GET OVER IT.
No. You get over it. You're the one who's apologising if the fundies riot and kill people over a word. You're the one who wants to deny people their rights over a word.

You're the one giving into bigotry over a word.
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Postby Cromarty » Fri Jun 08, 2012 9:29 am

Jormengand wrote:
Ceannairceach wrote:There is a reason that you gleefully ignore; Discrimination and appeasement.

Discrimination? I personally don't care what word you use if I marry another man any more than I care what word you use if I marry a woman. Appeasement? Well, that's a good point in my plan, it stops the fundamentalists killing everyone...

Clearly if civil unions had replaced marriage as a state institution Matthew Shepard would still be alive. :roll:
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Postby The Darwinian People » Fri Jun 08, 2012 10:11 am

Dyakovo wrote:
Galician-Volhynian Federation wrote:Not to a fascist, which Alaje freely declares himself to be.

Meh... They're wrong.

I'm a fascist and I don't think anything is more important than human rights.
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Postby Furious Grandmothers » Fri Jun 08, 2012 10:30 am

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Ifreann wrote:Of course. So are you, even if you don't realise it. I mean, you do go outside your home, don't you? If one of these murderous anti-gay bigots copped that you're into the manlove he could kill you and any bystanders, and maybe a cop or two.

Yes, because my town is in a country that has legalised gay marriage, and is crawling with radical homophobes...

Okay, are you really willing to INCREASE that chance, so you can have a nice word?

If you're so concerned about chances, choose which riots you're more concerned about, LGBT-supporters protests or fundie protests ;)

Oh wait, protests aren't riots, are they?
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Postby Divair » Fri Jun 08, 2012 1:26 pm

Dyakovo wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:How many states allow gay marriage now? Six? Eight? I do watch the news and I have not heard of Christian fundamentalists rioting and killing people.

It's hushed up by the liberal media.
*nods*

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Postby Zaras » Fri Jun 08, 2012 1:57 pm

The Darwinian People wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:Meh... They're wrong.

I'm a fascist and I don't think anything is more important than human rights.

But... fascism... human rights...
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Postby Divair » Fri Jun 08, 2012 1:58 pm

Zaras wrote:
The Darwinian People wrote:I'm a fascist and I don't think anything is more important than human rights.

But... fascism... human rights...

Don't worry, they confuse everyone.

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Postby Wisconsin9 » Fri Jun 08, 2012 3:52 pm

Zaras wrote:
The Darwinian People wrote:I'm a fascist and I don't think anything is more important than human rights.

But... fascism... human rights...

I'm also confused.
Opposites attract, maybe?
Whatever. I'm out.
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Postby The Darwinian People » Sat Jun 09, 2012 2:47 am

Wisconsin9 wrote:
Zaras wrote:But... fascism... human rights...

I'm also confused.
Opposites attract, maybe?
Whatever. I'm out.


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Postby Upper and Lower Karsteinia » Sat Jun 09, 2012 3:16 am

I'm Danish, and this is great news, although I have always wondered what took us so long. Never really saw the country as having a strong homophobic community. Who in Denmark were against gay marriage in the first place?

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Postby Blouman Empire » Sat Jun 09, 2012 3:24 am

Upper and Lower Karsteinia wrote:I'm Danish, and this is great news, although I have always wondered what took us so long. Never really saw the country as having a strong homophobic community. Who in Denmark were against gay marriage in the first place?

Probably not many by governments being governments take a long time for anything to happen
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Postby Divair » Sat Jun 09, 2012 4:46 am

Upper and Lower Karsteinia wrote:I'm Danish, and this is great news, although I have always wondered what took us so long. Never really saw the country as having a strong homophobic community. Who in Denmark were against gay marriage in the first place?

No one. I think the government was just busy keeping the country awesome :P

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Postby Zaras » Sat Jun 09, 2012 7:28 am

The Darwinian People wrote:
Wisconsin9 wrote:I'm also confused.
Opposites attract, maybe?
Whatever. I'm out.


I give up; you should know by now that people aren't ruled by previous incarnations of their own ideology.


But... fascism!
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