Denmark has legalized same sex marriage!

[Zaras]

All the parades in my country were violently imposed, and thusly, have been violently broken up. I'm not for the lynching of gays, but when they get all over us, hell, we won't just file a compliant. It's my country, my city, and I wont be ridiculed by roughly 500 Belgrade's gays and equally much money mad politicians.

That's because you can't stand people being different than you. They're inferior to you, and they don't deserve the same rights, right?

I'm starting to think Arcada is a Serbian nationalist.

[Kaleer]

That's because you can't stand people being different than you. They're inferior to you, and they don't deserve the same rights, right?

I'm starting to think Arcada is a Serbian nationalist.

He rambles about Saudi Arabia an awful lot.

[Dick]

This seems like an issue that kind of flies 'under the radar' for many libertarians and anti-statists, but it seems like we could make a lot of headway with the marriage debate by promoting the solution of simply getting government out of marriage altogether:

http://governmentfreemarriage.com/about/

That'd still allow people to violate LGBT people's civil rights, even more in the absence of a government.

How? The ritual would probably end up being strictly ceremonial. We need to start treating each other as humans. Government free marriage is the pathway to equality. Government should have no control over religion or marriage. Leave marriage to the religions or to the people to freely contract with one another. Why are we asking for more control? I don't get why gay marriage is even an issue.

[Kaleer]

That'd still allow people to violate LGBT people's civil rights, even more in the absence of a government.

How? The ritual would probably end up being strictly ceremonial. We need to start treating each other as humans. Government free marriage is the pathway to equality. Government should have no control over religion or marriage. Leave marriage to the religions or to the people to freely contract with one another. Why are we asking for more control? I don't get why gay marriage is even an issue.

Because without the government stepping in and saying "hey that's not right, leave them alone", equality is NOT what is going to happen, and it's just naive to think so.

[Terruana]

If you think Beethoven is better than anything any modern artists have ever come up with, that's your opinion. That doesn't make it an established fact. Get your head out of your arse and stop pretending like your opinion is so god damn important that anybody who doesn't agree with you is a "simpleton", or just plain wrong.

I see now that you may not be a simpleton, but an utter idiot. Some jerk fooling around on his laptop in front of a half drugged crowd is an artist equal to Beethoven?
It's not just my opinion, it's a fact. I can't be the first you hear say that classical music is above any else?
If your tastes go for the two chord beat bashing, then at lest have the courage to admit it.

I never said an artist equal to Beethoven. I said BETTER THAN. And just FYI, I prefer rock to anything else, it's just that classical music is so far down on my list of preferences that even my 5 year old cousin's Xylophone solo sounds more appealing to me than listening to an hour of Beethoven. And no, it's not a fact, and no matter how much you repeat it, it will never become a fact.

As for admitting it, I've never denied it. Two chord beat bashing is *still* superior to the boring, pretentious drivel that Beethoven played.
And this is so far off topic that I don't even recall how we got here, so I'm not gonna bother with another reply to your ridiculous ego-wank.

[Zaras]

How? The ritual would probably end up being strictly ceremonial. We need to start treating each other as humans. Government free marriage is the pathway to equality. Government should have no control over religion or marriage. Leave marriage to the religions or to the people to freely contract with one another. Why are we asking for more control? I don't get why gay marriage is even an issue.

Because without the government stepping in and saying "hey that's not right, leave them alone", equality is NOT what is going to happen, and it's just naive to think so.

Yeah. You need the government to slap people into line and make them realise that their opinions are stupid and they need to become enlightened.

Without government, Californian voters would have nothing to cancel the damage of their monumentally fucking stupid brainfart when they voted for Proposition 8.

Rights aren't something you put up to vote. They're inviolable. Similarly, rights need to be protected and enforced, otherwise they're a laughingstock. Y'need government for that.

[Arcada Xenon VI]

All the parades in my country were violently imposed, and thusly, have been violently broken up. I'm not for the lynching of gays, but when they get all over us, hell, we won't just file a compliant. It's my country, my city, and I wont be ridiculed by roughly 500 Belgrade's gays and equally much money mad politicians.

The homophobes should've been violently broken up. As violently as fucking possible.

And if your entire country and city thinks like that, your country and city is fucking shit and unworthy of being called "civilised".

Well, you snobby son of a.... You hypocritical... You must be pretty butthurt from all that homosexual sex? Oh, you're soooooooooooo f*ing civilized, you ignorant... I'm so scared of your friends coming here and beating us up with your keyboards, like real homo heroes. Come here, by all means, you'll have a good time. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVIQqw68d_s Do you see now what I mean? I see a fight bewtween the paraders and protesters, not just one way beating.
And your pussy country tuned a blind eye when the Shqiperi, (albanian) monsters slaughtered all those Serbs on Kosovo. You cowardly counties were in the UN, and did nothing to stop it. But then it comes to equalizing the defection, you're the first in line.

[Bordoria]

If you're not here for intelligent debate then what the fuck are you doing here?
Get out.

Nobody who's against LGBT rights is ever here for intelligent debate, they just want to shout abuse, troll and flamebait people who are right to make up for the fact that they're wrong.

I wonder how many Teabaggers are on NS?

[Kaleer]

Nobody who's against LGBT rights is ever here for intelligent debate, they just want to shout abuse, troll and flamebait people who are right to make up for the fact that they're wrong.

I wonder how many Teabaggers are on NS?

Too many.

[Zaras]

I wonder how many Teabaggers are on NS?

Too many.

I should now, they tend to end up in the Moderation threads a lot.

[Ulfaborg]

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Funny, but I knew your Serbian nationalistic hatred for everyone will pull out that ridiculous Kosovo card. Just because you grew up in a backwards and ignorant family (and probably country) doesn't mean everyone has to suffer your bullshit, like you so yearn for.

[Zaras]

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Funny, but I knew your Serbian nationalistic hatred for everyone will pull out that ridiculous Kosovo card. Just because you grew up in a backwards and ignorant family (and probably country) doesn't mean everyone has to suffer your bullshit, like you so yearn for.

The sooner Serbia and the entire planet can be dragged kicking and screaming into 21st century civilization, the better.

Lemme guess, Arcada was bitter about Kosovo not being fans of how Serbia treated them back in the 1990s?

[Farnhamia]

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Funny, but I knew your Serbian nationalistic hatred for everyone will pull out that ridiculous Kosovo card. Just because you grew up in a backwards and ignorant family (and probably country) doesn't mean everyone has to suffer your bullshit, like you so yearn for.

Returning flaming with more flaming will get you warned, too.

[Arcada Xenon VI]

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Funny, but I knew your Serbian nationalistic hatred for everyone will pull out that ridiculous Kosovo card. Just because you grew up in a backwards and ignorant family (and probably country) doesn't mean everyone has to suffer your bullshit, like you so yearn for.

Oh, you have the nerve to tell me that? After they "won" their independence by slaughtering us and selling our organs?
What Breivick did, now that is funny. In 21, hope to see him again.

[Leepaidamba]

Sexual equality under the law is a human right. By only recognizing marriages between a man and a woman (recognizing a man's marriage to a woman but not to a man and vice versa requiring a law to violate sexual equality), a government is violating that right. It is an actual violation of a human right.

Go spend time in Saudi Arabia. I refuse to talk to someone that equates the death penalty just for being homosexual with government not regulating a contract. You know nothing of human rights and seriously need some first hand experience.

Just full of first world ignorance.

I'd refuse to talk to anyone who would strawman me to such an extent that my original argument was made into "oh my god, if we don't legalise same-sex marriage right now this whole country will be a hellhole for eternity", but I can give you another chance if only you'd actually address my argument.
Certainly, Germany or France aren't nearly as bad as Saudi-Arabia when it comes to their human rights record, but that doesn't change the fact that they are presently still violating actual human rights, however you might decide to phrase that. I phrase it as a violation of the right to equal treatment under the law regardless of sex, because most people would agree with me that it should be a right. My argument therefore only has to show that recognising only heterosexual marriages requires laws to apply differently to men as they do to women. And that they must, because to do so requires legislation to apply to men such that they can only marry the half of the population that women can't marry and vice versa.
Having accomplished my goal, I ask you to address my argument as it is, not as you want it. As an argument showing that recognition of heterosexual marriages only is a violation of human rights, not as an argument showing that it's the worst thing ever anywhere.

[Zaras]

You must be pretty butthurt from all that homosexual sex?

I really don't get why some people have such a fixation on gay sex. I mean, really, it's just sex. No big deal about it.

And your pussy country tuned a blind eye when the Shqiperi, (albanian) monsters slaughtered all those Serbs on Kosovo. You cowardly counties were in the UN, and did nothing to stop it. But then it comes to equalizing the defection, you're the first in line.

Which country are you talking about?

Oh, and:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Izbica_massacre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crimes ... war_crimes

[Ulfaborg]

Funny, but I knew your Serbian nationalistic hatred for everyone will pull out that ridiculous Kosovo card. Just because you grew up in a backwards and ignorant family (and probably country) doesn't mean everyone has to suffer your bullshit, like you so yearn for.

Returning flaming with more flaming will get you warned, too.

Didn't flame him, only stated the (most likely) truth.

Funny, but I knew your Serbian nationalistic hatred for everyone will pull out that ridiculous Kosovo card. Just because you grew up in a backwards and ignorant family (and probably country) doesn't mean everyone has to suffer your bullshit, like you so yearn for.

Oh, you have the nerve to tell me that? After they "won" their independence by slaughtering us and selling our organs?
What Breivick did, now that is funny. In 21, hope to see him again.

Are you implying that what he did is acceptable by the social standards and norms of the 21st century? And you're constantly in that "us" and "them" mentality which is awfully uncalled for. No one killed you.

[Arcada Xenon VI]

I see now that you may not be a simpleton, but an utter idiot. Some jerk fooling around on his laptop in front of a half drugged crowd is an artist equal to Beethoven?
It's not just my opinion, it's a fact. I can't be the first you hear say that classical music is above any else?
If your tastes go for the two chord beat bashing, then at lest have the courage to admit it.

I never said an artist equal to Beethoven. I said BETTER THAN. And just FYI, I prefer rock to anything else, it's just that classical music is so far down on my list of preferences that even my 5 year old cousin's Xylophone solo sounds more appealing to me than listening to an hour of Beethoven. And no, it's not a fact, and no matter how much you repeat it, it will never become a fact.

As for admitting it, I've never denied it. Two chord beat bashing is *still* superior to the boring, pretentious drivel that Beethoven played.
And this is so far off topic that I don't even recall how we got here, so I'm not gonna bother with another reply to your ridiculous ego-wank.

Well, your are most likely emotionally crippled
not to recognize art. How matter how much you deny it, it won't stop being a fact. Beethoven made music from his soul, where as the crap you listen to is just plain old Schund, or trash.

[Zaras]

After they "won" their independence by slaughtering us and selling our organs?

After the Serb paramilitaries indiscriminately attacked civilians, destroyed mosques and houses, and conducted massacres at Likošane, Cirez, Ljubenić, Golubovac, Gornje Obrinje, Račak, Rogovo, Prekaz, Velika Kruša, Bela Crkva, Suva Reka,Izbica Massacre, Ljubižda, Pusto Selo, Rezala, Poklek, Ćikatovo, Meja, Vučitrn, Cuska, Dubrava Prison and Prizren.

[Zaras]

Are you implying that what he did is acceptable by the social standards and norms of the 21st century? And you're constantly in that "us" and "them" mentality which is awfully uncalled for. No one killed you.

Gee, I remember another thread where Vestr-Norig pointed out that a Norwegian blogger was arrested for cheering Breivik's attack...

[Zaras]

Beethoven made music from his soul, where as the crap you listen to is just plain old Schund, or trash.

Who made you the ultimate authority in art again?

[Farnhamia]

Beethoven made music from his soul, where as the crap you listen to is just plain old Schund, or trash.

Because a Serbian nationalist and Albanian hater is such an ultimate authority in art.

Not only are you feeding the troll, you're helping him steer the thread off course.

[Zaras]

Because a Serbian nationalist and Albanian hater is such an ultimate authority in art.

Not only are you feeding the troll, you're helping him steer the thread off course.

Yeah, you're right. I fix'd the post.

[Arcada Xenon VI]

You must be pretty butthurt from all that homosexual sex?

I really don't get why people have such a fixation on gay sex. I mean, really, it's just sex. No big deal about it.

And your pussy country tuned a blind eye when the Shqiperi, (albanian) monsters slaughtered all those Serbs on Kosovo. You cowardly counties were in the UN, and did nothing to stop it. But then it comes to equalizing the defection, you're the first in line.

Which country are you talking about?

Oh, and:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Izbica_massacre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crimes ... war_crimes

Ahhh, you're sooooo full of shit. So fucking full of it. And when the nato bombed Serbian hospitals with cluster bombs? And killed a 3 your old child?
And the albanians destroying OVER A HUNDRED of churches and monasterys? (some of them more than 10 century old) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyb3_4XD2Ho
Oh, but like a real slime, you won't give us the lin k of Albanian crimes? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crimes_in_the_Kosovo_War#Kosovo_Albanian_war_crimes

[Zaras]

you won't give us the link of Albanian crimes?

I figure most people know how to scroll the page.