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ok so you all know one nation in america called the U.S of America.recently ive seen threads about nukes on iran.so let me ask this.who gives the right to the U.S to choose who has nukes and who does not? who gives them the right to which type of goverment a nation can have? do you believe its a good thing that they interve? personally i believe its hypocritical on their part.

EDIT: Iran was an example that i set cause it was current.im talking about the U.S interveing in other nation's.let us say afghanistan,yugoslavia etc

America is a free, stable and democratic nation where civil, economic and political rights are respected. Iran is an unstable islamic theocracy that doesn't respect any basic human rights.

So yeah. The US and the West has a right to say ''No Mr. Dictator, no nukes for you''.

No. Either:

A. The UN condemns them if they signed particular treaties.
B. If they didn't sign them, everyone shuts up and lets them have nukes so we won't go to war.

Do you think it would be a smart idea to distribute nukes to every country? Or are you one of those who believes all nukes must go, which will never happen?

Melas wrote:ok so you all know one nation in america called the U.S of America.recently ive seen threads about nukes on iran.so let me ask this.who gives the right to the U.S to choose who has nukes and who does not? who gives them the right to which type of goverment a nation can have? do you believe its a good thing that they interve? personally i believe its hypocritical on their part.

It's not hypocritical to demand that Iran abide by a treaty it signed.

Because the US isn't flat out threatening to wipe specific nations off the map if they had the capabilities to do so.

It's just not Iran, by the way. North Korea, among others are being denied nuclear weaponry because of their instability in their respective regions.

Oh, and, no, the USA doesn't have the 'right' to own nuclear weapons. But it has the ability to do so safely.

Melas wrote:ok so you all know one nation in america called the U.S of America.recently ive seen threads about nukes on iran.so let me ask this.who gives the right to the U.S to choose who has nukes and who does not? who gives them the right to which type of goverment a nation can have? do you believe its a good thing that they interve? personally i believe its hypocritical on their part.

I would say that keeping nukes out of the hands of insane Islamists who believe the 12th Iman is coming is in everyone's best interest. So yes, America does have the right. In reality though I believe Israel will take care of it and many Middle Eastern countries will breath easier even though they will condemn Israel publicly.

Divair wrote:No. Either:

A. The UN condemns them if they signed particular treaties.
B. If they didn't sign them, everyone shuts up and lets them have nukes so we won't go to war.

Iran signed and ratified the NPT.

Laerod wrote:

Divair wrote:No. Either:

A. The UN condemns them if they signed particular treaties.
B. If they didn't sign them, everyone shuts up and lets them have nukes so we won't go to war.

Iran signed and ratified the NPT.

Then if they break the rules, the UN can proceed to condemn them. Throw sanctions at them, bitch slap them diplomatically, do whatever you want. Just no war.

Hippostania wrote:America is a free, stable and democratic nation where civil, economic and political rights are respected. Iran is an unstable islamic theocracy that doesn't respect any basic human rights.

So yeah. The US and the West has a right to say ''No Mr. Dictator, no nukes for you''.

Yeah USA have the right to say:
'You give us no oil so we condemn you and might invade you for being oppressive'
'As long as you give us oil, we aren't going to invade you no matter how oppressive you are.'

Divair wrote:

Laerod wrote:Iran signed and ratified the NPT.

Then if they break the rules, the UN can proceed to condemn them. Throw sanctions at them, bitch slap them diplomatically, do whatever you want. Just no war.

Huh? No war? The UN charter says otherwise...

Going to go with the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons. Which Iran is a signatory to, thus has pledged to abide by.

Chinese Regions wrote:

Hippostania wrote:America is a free, stable and democratic nation where civil, economic and political rights are respected. Iran is an unstable islamic theocracy that doesn't respect any basic human rights.

So yeah. The US and the West has a right to say ''No Mr. Dictator, no nukes for you''.

Yeah USA have the right to say:
'You give us no oil so we condemn you and might invade you for being oppressive'
'As long as you give us oil, we aren't going to invade you no matter how oppressive you are.'

This has nothing to do with the topic.

Laerod wrote:

Divair wrote:Then if they break the rules, the UN can proceed to condemn them. Throw sanctions at them, bitch slap them diplomatically, do whatever you want. Just no war.

Huh? No war? The UN charter says otherwise...

What are you talking about?

Divair wrote:

Laerod wrote:Huh? No war? The UN charter says otherwise...

What are you talking about?

The UN can resort to military intervention as per security council resolution. It's not going to happen in this case, mind you, but there's no prohibition of the UN taking that kind of action to ensure compliance with a treaty.

Laerod wrote:

Divair wrote:What are you talking about?

The UN can resort to military intervention as per security council resolution. It's not going to happen in this case, mind you, but there's no prohibition of the UN taking that kind of action to ensure compliance with a treaty.

I know it can. I don't want it to. Ever.

A war with Iran would possibly lead to my death or the deaths of my family and friends. I'd rather not have that.

Melas wrote:ok so you all know one nation in america called the U.S of America.recently ive seen threads about nukes on iran.so let me ask this.who gives the right to the U.S to choose who has nukes and who does not? who gives them the right to which type of goverment a nation can have? do you believe its a good thing that they interve? personally i believe its hypocritical on their part.

Nothing. And they don't anyway. Most of the countries they attempted to stop from making nuclear weapons now have them. And yes, it is possibly the most hypocritical situation in the history of hypocrisy. Given they feel like they should regulate who can use nuclear weaponry out of fear "evil countries" will use them when they are the only nation in history to have used nuclear weapons against people. Civilians, no less. But when they do it, it's for freedom and democracy when anyone else does it, its terrorism.

If it was up to the US who had nukes then it would only be the US who had them.

Ballatron wrote:

Melas wrote:ok so you all know one nation in america called the U.S of America.recently ive seen threads about nukes on iran.so let me ask this.who gives the right to the U.S to choose who has nukes and who does not? who gives them the right to which type of goverment a nation can have? do you believe its a good thing that they interve? personally i believe its hypocritical on their part.

Nothing. And they don't anyway. Most of the countries they attempted to stop from making nuclear weapons now have them. And yes, it is possibly the most hypocritical situation in the history of hypocrisy. Given they feel like they should regulate who can use nuclear technology out of fear "evil countries" will use them when they are the only nation in history to have used nuclear weapons against people. Civilians, no less. But when they do it, it's for freedom and democracy when anyone else does it, its terrorism.

Reality disagrees. The NPT is sufficient basis for condemning Iran.

Khadgar wrote:Going to go with the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons. Which Iran is a signatory to, thus has pledged to abide by.

I'll have what this gentleman/lady is drinking.

Each non-nuclear-weapon State Party to the Treaty undertakes not to receive the transfer from any transferor whatsoever of nuclear weapons or other nuclear explosive devices or of control over such weapons or explosive devices directly, or indirectly; not to manufacture or otherwise acquire nuclear weapons or other nuclear explosive devices; and not to seek or receive any assistance in the manufacture of nuclear weapons or other nuclear explosive devices.

http://www.un.org/en/conf/npt/2005/npttreaty.html

Iran signed it, therefore it must abide.

Ballatron wrote:Nothing. And they don't anyway. Most of the countries they attempted to stop from making nuclear weapons now have them. And yes, it is possibly the most hypocritical situation in the history of hypocrisy. Given they feel like they should regulate who can use nuclear weaponry out of fear "evil countries" will use them when they are the only nation in history to have used nuclear weapons against people. Civilians, no less. But when they do it, it's for freedom and democracy when anyone else does it, its terrorism.

This. The US has no right to enforce anything. Just like everyone else.

Herskerstad wrote:Do you think it would be a smart idea to distribute nukes to every country? Or are you one of those who believes all nukes must go, which will never happen?

And give EVERY unstable government and wannabe warlord a couple nukes? These aren't things like M16s that takes some skill to use. You program in coordinates or set a timer and press a button. Thousands (or potentially millions) of lives are wiped out as an immediate result with hundreds to die out due to the radioactive fallout.

No...it's better this way. If America wants to be the police of Earth, let them. But restrict their abilities with the United Nations (sanctions, embargoes, and the like). Of course, the threat of mutual annihilation is useful as well.

Terrorists, warlords, and zealots tend not to observe those restrictions.

And then, of course, there's the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons.

Melas wrote:ok so you all know one nation in america called the U.S of America.recently ive seen threads about nukes on iran.so let me ask this.who gives the right to the U.S to choose who has nukes and who does not? who gives them the right to which type of goverment a nation can have? do you believe its a good thing that they interve? personally i believe its hypocritical on their part.

It's not hypocrisy. Iran is a signatory to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty ()NPT), which says, in Article II, that "Each non-NWS [non-Nuclear Weapon State] party undertakes not to receive, from any source, nuclear weapons, or other nuclear explosive devices; not to manufacture or acquire such weapons or devices; and not to receive any assistance in their manufacture." They've been in non-compliance for almost a decade on this.

You can criticize the NPT as being a mechanism for the nuclear "haves" to keep the "have nots" from achieving equality on this score, but then again, we are talking about nuclear fucking weapons. They aren't called "weapons of mass destruction" for nothing.

Feel free to dislike the US. All the cool kids are doing it, anyway. But Iran signed a treaty saying they wouldn't try to build nuclear weapons and it appears that they are doing just that. If they'd like to repudiate the treaty, fine. That would be a pretty clear declaration of intent and the world could deal with them on that basis.

EDIT: Ninja'd, damn it!

Hippostania wrote:America is a free, stable and democratic nation where civil, economic and political rights are respected.

I hope you don't truly believe this pile of bullshit