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Postby Ovisterra » Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:24 am

Tunasai wrote:
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Extremely. I have a friend whose dad (privately) owns a Chinese company. Several Chinese companies.


http://funwithgovernment.blogspot.com/2 ... y.html?m=1


China may or may not be capitalist, but it sure as holy fuck isn't communist and never was.
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Postby Tunasai » Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:25 am

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China may or may not be capitalist, but it sure as holy fuck isn't communist and never was.


China isnt capitalist and they arent communist anymore. They were communist because communism revolves around a centrally planned economy which China and the USSR had. They were also a bit authoritarian
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Postby Secruss » Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:26 am

Ovisterra wrote:China may or may not be capitalist, but it sure as holy fuck isn't communist and never was.


Indeed.

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Postby Ovisterra » Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:26 am

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China may or may not be capitalist, but it sure as holy fuck isn't communist and never was.


China isnt capitalist and they arent communist anymore. They were communist because communism revolves around a centrally planned economy which China and the USSR had. They were also a bit authoritarian


I think you need to go look up what communism is.

Communism requires a classless, stateless, moneyless society. China never met any of those requirements.
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Postby Tunasai » Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:28 am

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China isnt capitalist and they arent communist anymore. They were communist because communism revolves around a centrally planned economy which China and the USSR had. They were also a bit authoritarian


I think you need to go look up what communism is.

Communism requires a classless, stateless, moneyless society. China never met any of those requirements.


There are plenty of forms of communism
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Postby Ovisterra » Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:29 am

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I think you need to go look up what communism is.

Communism requires a classless, stateless, moneyless society. China never met any of those requirements.


There are plenty of forms of communism


There are indeed, but they all require a lack of classes, states and money.
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Postby Silician » Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:39 am

I know this was an on-going process, but I wish the collapse of the Roman Empire wouldn't have happened.
Making sure the Crisis of the Third Century wouldn't happen would probably help tremendously.
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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:41 am

Silician wrote:I know this was an on-going process, but I wish the collapse of the Roman Empire wouldn't have happened.
Making sure the Crisis of the Third Century wouldn't happen would probably help tremendously.

Keeping Severus Alexander alive would help with that. So would keeping Elagabalus from becoming princeps, too.
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Postby Tunasai » Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:42 am

Ovisterra wrote:
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There are plenty of forms of communism


There are indeed, but they all require a lack of classes, states and money.


No matter how much you deny it china was more communist than not

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maoism#section_2
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Postby Ovisterra » Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:44 am

Tunasai wrote:
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There are indeed, but they all require a lack of classes, states and money.


No matter how much you deny it china was more communist than not

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maoism#section_2


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Postby Ceannairceach » Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:47 am

I would like to ensure Tesla gets credit for his various inventions and ideas. Certainly couldn't do any harm.

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Postby Silician » Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:51 am

Farnhamia wrote:
Silician wrote:I know this was an on-going process, but I wish the collapse of the Roman Empire wouldn't have happened.
Making sure the Crisis of the Third Century wouldn't happen would probably help tremendously.

Keeping Severus Alexander alive would help with that. So would keeping Elagabalus from becoming princeps, too.

True, but Severus Alexander couldn't control his army. Plus, the core problems to the downfall of the empire was the Germanic invasions, practically constant civil war, economic turmoil, and of course the Plague of Cyprian. That ultimately led to Diocletian splitting the empire into two, and then the collapse of the western empire due to more Germanic invasions. Thank you AP World History. :lol:
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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:59 am

Silician wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Keeping Severus Alexander alive would help with that. So would keeping Elagabalus from becoming princeps, too.

True, but Severus Alexander couldn't control his army. Plus, the core problems to the downfall of the empire was the Germanic invasions, practically constant civil war, economic turmoil, and of course the Plague of Cyprian. That ultimately led to Diocletian splitting the empire into two, and then the collapse of the western empire due to more Germanic invasions. Thank you AP World History. :lol:

So help him control his army. Actually, very few of the handful of decent emperors during the 3rd century could control their armies. Adrian Goldsworthy's How Rome Fell is a quite good book on the subject.

And plagues, well, what can you do about plagues?

Yes, the 3rd century was pretty rotten for the Empire. Antioch, where I lived from around the death of Commodus to just after Julian's death, wasn't terribly affected. You couldn't escape the turmoil completely, especially not during some of the nastier civil wars (I'm very glad I didn't settle down in Byzantium, for instance). Of course, I did have my estates down in Punt to escape to when I wanted. ;)
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Postby Narthakka » Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:08 am

The Byzantine Empire hold onto Constantinople to this day.

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Postby Wotanchester » Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:08 am

Have the "burning times" never exist and Paganism would coexist in Europe, Africa and the middle east, tolerance would reign supreme. :D
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:10 am

Nordengrund wrote:
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Druidism? It's been hundreds of years but yes, you've found one thing.

Celtic? You mean the soccer team? No, they're not Irish.

Similar Languages? In the the sense that French and German are similar, yes. So not very much at all.

Red heads? They're actually quite unusual. Irish people are mostly brown or black haired.


Your stereotypical view is viciously insulting.


I apologizes, I was not trying to stereotype.

Honestly, even I saw that as a massive stereotype.

That's like saying all Southern people are stupid, or all Canadians say "eh?" every third word.
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:12 am

Tunasai wrote:
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I think you need to go look up what communism is.

Communism requires a classless, stateless, moneyless society. China never met any of those requirements.


There are plenty of forms of communism

And all the ones you are thinking of aren't Communism. Saying Maosim or Stalinism is Communism is like saying Deism is Christianity because they both believe in a God.
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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:13 am

Narthakka wrote:The Byzantine Empire hold onto Constantinople to this day.

The Empire ended in 1453. Unless you mean that it should have survived to today. That's different.
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Postby Rothvaris » Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:17 am

Have Finland colonise North America. I'd just like to see what would happen.
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Postby Narthakka » Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:35 am

Farnhamia wrote:
Narthakka wrote:The Byzantine Empire hold onto Constantinople to this day.

The Empire ended in 1453. Unless you mean that it should have survived to today. That's different.


Well, fine then

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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:37 am

Rothvaris wrote:Have Finland colonise North America. I'd just like to see what would happen.

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Now the foot is on the other hand ~ Kannap
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Postby Atalem » Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:40 am

Karliah wrote:Stop the Big Bang.

It would cause some major paradox shizz to go down.


You'd destroy us all!

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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:42 am

Atalem wrote:
Karliah wrote:Stop the Big Bang.

It would cause some major paradox shizz to go down.


You'd destroy us all!

Can you destroy something that never exists?
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Postby Samuraikoku » Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:45 am

Farnhamia wrote:Can you destroy something that never exists?


Well... I destroy aliens every day. *nods*
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Postby AustriaHungaryBohemia » Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:56 am

Wotanchester wrote:Have the "burning times" never exist and Paganism would coexist in Europe, Africa and the middle east, tolerance would reign supreme. :D

Seems like you got your wish, at least partially. Seeing as the "burning times" were vastly exaggerated. Plus, they did not have that much to do with paganism...
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