If you could change one thing in history.

[Farnhamia]

Sir Francis Drake being anniliated by the Spanish Armada.

How does having England being overrun and conquered by the Spanish, help ANYBODY?

The change doesn't have to help anyone. That's not the point. You might find Keith Roberts' Pavane interesting, however. It sort of touches on this.

[The sword master]

north and south america hadn't been discovered till the indians had become advanced enough to fight away greedy invaders and settlers plus not be affected by diseases from other continents and india never floated into europe

[Ecans]

The fall of the Roman Republic and even the Empire. We would have avoided the Dark Ages and it's possible we would be far more advanced than we are today.

[The sword master]

north and south america hadn't been discovered till the indians had become advanced enough to fight away greedy invaders and settlers plus not be affected by diseases from other continents and india never floated into europe

i mean asia lol

[The sword master]

The fall of the Roman Republic and even the Empire. We would have avoided the Dark Ages and it's possible we would be far more advanced than we are today.

it'd still have to worry about corruption which affects advanced civilizations greately

[Farnhamia]

The fall of the Roman Republic and even the Empire. We would have avoided the Dark Ages and it's possible we would be far more advanced than we are today.

it'd still have to worry about corruption which affects advanced civilizations greately

What sort of corruption, exactly?

[Gigaverse]

north and south america hadn't been discovered till the indians had become advanced enough to fight away greedy invaders and settlers plus not be affected by diseases from other continents and india never floated into europe

Empire Earth II - Tutorial Campaign.

You're welcomed.

[Laerod]

north and south america hadn't been discovered till the indians had become advanced enough to fight away greedy invaders and settlers plus not be affected by diseases from other continents and india never floated into europe

Problem here is that it takes a lot more than just that to accomplish. The Amerindians lacked agriculture and livestock to maintain higher populations and to develop resistances to diseases.

[Todlichebujoku]

I wonder what would happen if lawns never became a symbol of wealth.


Or kidnap Hitler as a baby and bring him into a Jewish family.

[Rebelhood]

How does having England being overrun and conquered by the Spanish, help ANYBODY?

The change doesn't have to help anyone. That's not the point. You might find Keith Roberts' Pavane interesting, however. It sort of touches on this.

Interesting.

[Narrow Path]

Emperor Constatine never would have popularized Christianity. (I'm christian btw.)

[Nazis in Space]

Sir Francis Drake being anniliated by the Spanish Armada.

How does having England being overrun and conquered by the Spanish, help ANYBODY?

Well, for the timefram in question, it removes a pirate nation that was a permanent threat for international commerce a few years before it happened historically (Little known fact: The war continued on for a while after the armada was lost to shitty weather, and the spaniards eventually became so good at killing the English 'Privateers' that England, although not conquered, was forced to yield to Spain's demands, namely, to stop being a giant faggot on the sea and attacking merchants at random).

The precise effects on modern times are, of course, heavily dependent on how long Spain stays in Britain, but assuming an ideal case (Iberisation of Britain)...

Well, for starters, there'll be several million less whiny Englishmen masturbating over their lost empire at every opportunity and generally being insufferable gits.

Considering the divergence in the development of North- and South America (South America: Many, many millions natives still alive, very large mestizo populations. North America: Not so much), we can also assume that a lot more native american ethnicities and individuals would still be alive today.

[Rebelhood]

If Spain remained the powerhouse of the World It is more than likely all world history would play out differently. Plus their would be more Catholics.

[Estrimbaal]

How does having England being overrun and conquered by the Spanish, help ANYBODY?

Well, for the timefram in question, it removes a pirate nation that was a permanent threat for international commerce a few years before it happened historically (Little known fact: The war continued on for a while after the armada was lost to shitty weather, and the spaniards eventually became so good at killing the English 'Privateers' that England, although not conquered, was forced to yield to Spain's demands, namely, to stop being a giant faggot on the sea and attacking merchants at random).

The precise effects on modern times are, of course, heavily dependent on how long Spain stays in Britain, but assuming an ideal case (Iberisation of Britain)...

Well, for starters, there'll be several million less whiny Englishmen masturbating over their lost empire at every opportunity and generally being insufferable gits.

Considering the divergence in the development of North- and South America (South America: Many, many millions natives still alive, very large mestizo populations. North America: Not so much), we can also assume that a lot more native american ethnicities and individuals would still be alive today.

Well, English Privateers only attacked Spanish Ships, and so weren't a big problem to anyone but Spain. Removing England would have removed their support to the Dutch rebellion which could have prevented or delayed a formation of an independent Netherlands. These attacks also served England's National interest, gold not going to Spain was not being used to threaten England. The reigns of Henry VIII, Edward VI and Mary I had left the treasury in a poor state an in no condition to support legitimate Naval Programs, hence Letters of Marque were issued.

Iberisation of England would mean the Inquisition being brought to England because of the large Protestant presence, resulting in the deaths of Thousands on charges of Heresy, Civil unrest in England because they would not take kindly to Foreign Catholic rulers. Not the ideal case.

Every Former European Colonial Power has old men "masturbating over their lost empire at every opportunity and generally being insufferable gits."

I have no idea on the change it would bring to colonization in the Americas because that in of itself is a complicated issue.

[Nazis in Space]

Well, for the timefram in question, it removes a pirate nation that was a permanent threat for international commerce a few years before it happened historically (Little known fact: The war continued on for a while after the armada was lost to shitty weather, and the spaniards eventually became so good at killing the English 'Privateers' that England, although not conquered, was forced to yield to Spain's demands, namely, to stop being a giant faggot on the sea and attacking merchants at random).

The precise effects on modern times are, of course, heavily dependent on how long Spain stays in Britain, but assuming an ideal case (Iberisation of Britain)...

Well, for starters, there'll be several million less whiny Englishmen masturbating over their lost empire at every opportunity and generally being insufferable gits.

Considering the divergence in the development of North- and South America (South America: Many, many millions natives still alive, very large mestizo populations. North America: Not so much), we can also assume that a lot more native american ethnicities and individuals would still be alive today.

Well, English Privateers only attacked Spanish Ships, and so weren't a big problem to anyone but Spain. Removing England would have removed their support to the Dutch rebellion which could have prevented or delayed a formation of an independent Netherlands. These attacks also served England's National interest, gold not going to Spain was not being used to threaten England. The reigns of Henry VIII, Edward VI and Mary I had left the treasury in a poor state an in no condition to support legitimate Naval Programs, hence Letters of Marque were issued.

Iberisation of England would mean the Inquisition being brought to England because of the large Protestant presence, resulting in the deaths of Thousands on charges of Heresy, Civil unrest in England because they would not take kindly to Foreign Catholic rulers. Not the ideal case.

Every Former European Colonial Power has old men "masturbating over their lost empire at every opportunity and generally being insufferable gits."

I have no idea on the change it would bring to colonization in the Americas because that in of itself is a complicated issue.

First of all, you're dramatically underestimating the degree to which the European economies were interconnected. The English attacks on Spanish ships didn't just hurt Spain, they hurt investers who paid for what these ships transported. Pretty much the entire continent was pissed with England - the Italian citystates were positively enraged -, which incidentally, was one of the reasons Spain could afford such an attack and nobody was particularly eager to side with England, despite Spain being far from popular itself.

While we're on the subject of Spain, Spain's primary interests were the mediterranean coasts and the Americas. The English protestants were annoying, but well, it wasn't Spain. Until the English attacks started in the first place, Spain didn't give a shit about England - it were precisely the English acts of piracy that caused Spain to actually threaten England in the first place.

[Gigaverse]

I wonder what would happen if lawns never became a symbol of wealth.


Or kidnap Hitler as a baby and bring him into a Jewish family.

Yeah... He was a student of a Jew.

[Seleucas]

Better than Hitler, Stalin, etc. They were benign compared to their successors.

Why not just leave democratic governments in place if you want to change away from Hitler and Stalin or the Austrofascists?

Because they tried said democratic governments, and they were awful. Kherensky sent his people right back into the meat grinder, and the Weimar Republic was a wreck economically and socially. Better to go with something familiar and relatively stable than something that is not firmly rooted. (And, of course, to avoid the huge war.)

Why not just leave democratic governments in place if you want to change away from Hitler and Stalin or the Austrofascists?

Or as a compromise, install them as Constitutional Monarchs, though both Germany and Austria-Hungary were already constitutional, though Germany's was practically a farce...

This would have been good too, I think it's been demonstrated pretty clearly that figurehead monarchies have positive benefits for a nation in terms of stability and moral authority.

[The Mongol Ilkhanate]

I would have prevented the deaths of Arian and Pelagian doctrine, among other things.

[Crabcake Baba Ganoush]

If I would change one thing in history...I would get rid of bell bottoms. Such an utterly disgusting creation that one was.

[Cytania]

Stop the assassination of Franz Ferdinand so WWI wouldn't have happened, and if that didn't happen, then neither would WWII

[Nicodelphia]

I would have told Eve to go get another apple.

[Laerod]

Or as a compromise, install them as Constitutional Monarchs, though both Germany and Austria-Hungary were already constitutional, though Germany's was practically a farce...

This would have been good too, I think it's been demonstrated pretty clearly that figurehead monarchies have positive benefits for a nation in terms of stability and moral authority.

You do realize that we're talking about Imperial Germany among others, right? Or are you unaware of the Rape of Belgium, the military dictatorship, and the November Revolution that brought it and the Kaiser down and ended WWI?

[Laerod]

Stop the assassination of Franz Ferdinand so WWI wouldn't have happened, and if that didn't happen, then neither would WWII

Not gonna help. Been addressed often enough.

[Creative Vikings]

I would make a better name for this 'country'.

[Meowfoundland]

I would have made Franz Joseph I of Austria die early, sometime around 1906-7. This would ensure Franz Ferdinand would gain the throne, allowing the federal reforms of Austria-Hungary, the "United States of Austria", that he favoured. Hopefully this would lead to a far more stable Dual Monarchy without the ethnic tensions it had IRL, hopefully preventing the spark that started WWI. I'm not an expert, though, so I have no idea if it would work.