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Ereria
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Postby Ereria » Sun Aug 26, 2012 2:15 am

Stop the conflicts between Russia and Turkey so we could be Comrades and make Turkey possibly a Commie nation
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Postby Kemaliste » Sun Aug 26, 2012 5:28 am

Ereria wrote:Stop the conflicts between Russia and Turkey so we could be Comrades and make Turkey possibly a Commie nation


It's all Stalin's fault. He maintained hostile policies toward Turkey (claiming some Turkish territories), which forced Turkey to get much closer to the Western bloc. Before that, Turkey was an ally with Soviets and Yugoslavia, Kemalist system is very similar to Socialism after all.
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Postby Alcia » Sun Aug 26, 2012 5:42 am

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Postby Great Islamic Caliphate » Sun Aug 26, 2012 6:24 am

Actually there's three: Rashidun Caliphate never fall, 9/11 never happening, World War (both) never happening
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Postby Tarnouk » Sun Aug 26, 2012 6:30 am

I would do everything to saveguard the first ever anarchist republic (revolutionary catalonia). This would be to prove anarchism can work and its better than fascist forms of communism like Stalinism or Maoism...

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Postby Western cuba » Sun Aug 26, 2012 6:30 am

In a way this sounds bad, but I don't think I would change anything. One small difference in history could change the outcome of the future forever. Yeah my mom and dad hated that fact that they lived in the Eastern Bloc during the Cold War, but they eventually escaped to West Germany where they met each other.

It sounds a little strange, but if it wasn't for the tyranny of the Eastern Bloc my parents may have never met and I could of possibly been never born.
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Postby Conscentia » Sun Aug 26, 2012 6:31 am

Either:
Remove Stalin from History or;
Remove George Washington from History or;
Save Aristotle's life.

I would not erase Hitler. Hitler discredited the extreme right-wing in the eyes of many, and WW2 indirectly led to the establishment of the NHS and such.
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Postby Floyd Bjoernstjerne Olson » Sun Aug 26, 2012 6:39 am

Conscentia wrote:Either:
Remove Stalin from History or;
Remove George Washington from History or;
Save Aristotle's life.

But if you remove Washington, the Continental Army may have had an actual good general who was just as charismatic.

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Postby The Truth and Light » Sun Aug 26, 2012 6:40 am

I would have gone back and slapped (Biblical) Sarah and Abraham in the face. Taking advantage of a servant girl, really? Set a proper example for future generations.

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Postby Conscentia » Sun Aug 26, 2012 6:45 am

Floyd Bjoernstjerne Olson wrote:
Conscentia wrote:Either:
Remove Stalin from History or;
Remove George Washington from History or;
Save Aristotle's life.

But if you remove Washington, the Continental Army may have had an actual good general who was just as charismatic.


Or the US could remained under British control.

Unfortunately, nobody knows.

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Postby The UK in Exile » Sun Aug 26, 2012 6:51 am

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Postby United Kingdom of Poland » Sun Aug 26, 2012 7:25 am

Conscentia wrote:
Floyd Bjoernstjerne Olson wrote:But if you remove Washington, the Continental Army may have had an actual good general who was just as charismatic.


Or the US could remained under British control.

Unfortunately, nobody knows.

stop you so that us soliders are not dragged through 2 world wars under britians mostlly inept leadership like the commonwealth was.

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Postby Soviet Russia Republic » Sun Aug 26, 2012 7:44 am

Ereria wrote:Stop the conflicts between Russia and Turkey so we could be Comrades and make Turkey possibly a Commie nation


Yes, this would of been very nice.

I have high hopes for future relations though. :)
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Postby Conscentia » Sun Aug 26, 2012 8:06 am

United Kingdom of Poland wrote:
Conscentia wrote:
Or the US could remained under British control.

Unfortunately, nobody knows.

stop you so that us soliders are not dragged through 2 world wars under britians mostlly inept leadership like the commonwealth was.


I. All the nations back then had inept leadership.
II. If Floyd is right, then the US could have had an even more successful beginning, which is hardly a bad thing in your opinion.
III. If I am right, then the US would have been obligated to support Britain in WW1 much earlier on. A stronger Britain could have defeated Germany sooner, and perhaps with less damage & death.

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Postby Romanitea » Sun Aug 26, 2012 8:17 am

Charlotte Corday doesn't kill Marat, therefore Roux, Hebert, Danton, etc are all saved from the guillotine by him and the French Revolution goes further as Robespierre and the Jacobins can't screw things up completely (in fact they probably would have been turfed out by the sans-culottes at some point). No Napoleon, no Bourbon Restoration and we get progress slightly earlier.

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Postby Disserbia » Sun Aug 26, 2012 8:32 am

Ottoman Empire never existed.
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Postby Kemaliste » Sun Aug 26, 2012 8:38 am

Disserbia wrote:Ottoman Empire never existed.


Butthurt much ?

Soviet Russia Republic wrote:Yes, this would of been very nice.

I have high hopes for future relations though. :)


Wait until we come to power. Then the domination of America over the region will have been broken finally with the alliance of Kemalists and Russia.
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Postby Disserbia » Sun Aug 26, 2012 8:40 am

Kemaliste wrote:
Disserbia wrote:Ottoman Empire never existed.


Butthurt much ?

Not at all, I just think that it's existence was the cause of a few conflicts that didn't need to happen. Making assumptions only makes you look bad.
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Postby Kemaliste » Sun Aug 26, 2012 8:45 am

Disserbia wrote:
Kemaliste wrote:
Butthurt much ?

Not at all, I just think that it's existence was the cause of a few conflicts that didn't need to happen. Making assumptions only makes you look bad.


Your only mentioning it just shows you have a serious chip on your shoulder because of them, so it's more than a few unnecessary conflicts.

I am a considerate person, so, I can understand you guys pain about this. 500 years of domination is not that easy to stomach, I know.
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Postby Disserbia » Sun Aug 26, 2012 8:51 am

Kemaliste wrote:
Disserbia wrote:Not at all, I just think that it's existence was the cause of a few conflicts that didn't need to happen. Making assumptions only makes you look bad.


Your only mentioning it just shows you have a serious chip on your shoulder because of them, so it's more than a few unnecessary conflicts.

I am a considerate person, so, I can understand you guys pain about this. 500 years of domination is not that easy to stomach, I know.

I don't have a chip on my shoulder because I'm not an overzealous nationalist, unlike you. :rofl: However, I think a lot less people of many different ethnicities would not have died if it never existed. So you can make stupid assumptions about what I think, but you're only doing it because you can't deal with the fact that there is some element of truth to what I'm saying. But besides the fact that you're the one who is resorting to personal attacks here, the assumptions you've made about why I hold my views (which are completely wrong by the way) only shows how little you actually know about me.

Anytime you want to get down to the facts and have a civil discussion without trying to derail this thread into this asinine nationalistic chest-beating, (which seems to be all you're capable of) tell me, otherwise whatever you suspect my ethnicity to be has no bearing in this discussion. ;)
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Postby Kemaliste » Sun Aug 26, 2012 9:01 am

Disserbia wrote:
Kemaliste wrote:
Your only mentioning it just shows you have a serious chip on your shoulder because of them, so it's more than a few unnecessary conflicts.

I am a considerate person, so, I can understand you guys pain about this. 500 years of domination is not that easy to stomach, I know.

I don't have a chip on my shoulder because I'm not an overzealous nationalist, unlike you. :rofl: However, I think a lot less people of many different ethnicities would not have died if it never existed. So you can make stupid assumptions about what I think, but you're only doing it because you can't deal with the fact that there is some element of truth to what I'm saying. But besides the fact that you're the one who is resorting to personal attacks here, the assumptions you've made about why I hold my views (which are completely wrong by the way) only shows how little you actually know about me.

Anytime you want to get down to the facts and have a civil discussion without trying to derail this thread into this asinine nationalistic chest-beating, (which seems to be all you're capable of) tell me, otherwise whatever you suspect my ethnicity to be has no bearing in this discussion. ;)


So, the only thing you care about people died, right ? while there are examples such as the World Wars, Crusades, Nazi occupation etc. Look at the excuse you're using to hide your special grudge toward this empire because it ruled over your nation for 500 years. :lol:

Yes I'm a nationalist, but a left-kind one which is more about pro-equality, sovereignty and anti-imperialism rather than classical right-wing romantic nationalism. So, I'm not a fan of the Ottoman Empire and my aim is not to praise it here, but it's fun to tease people who have rancor about it :D
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Postby Ereria » Sun Aug 26, 2012 11:38 am

Ottomans wasn't outstanding killing machines. Its many other nations that have destroyed FAR MORE empires than the ottomans. I am a Turkish patriot, but im not an Ignorant fuck. So if you have solid evidence that Ottomans was barbaric murderes, I would not mind checking them.
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Postby Nordengrund » Sun Aug 26, 2012 11:40 am

Gather the Native Americans, form an army of them. Then I would march them to Washington, D.C. and say "Native Americans of the world, unite!" and have them fight to regain their land.
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Postby Polkopia » Sun Aug 26, 2012 11:47 am

Nordengrund wrote:Gather the Native Americans, form an army of them. Then I would march them to Washington, D.C. and say "Native Americans of the world, unite!" and have them fight to regain their land.


I really don't think that would end too well for the Native Americans... :palm:
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