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The God-Realm
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Postby The God-Realm » Fri Aug 24, 2012 8:58 am

United Kingdom of Poland wrote:
The God-Realm wrote:Prevent the US from becoming independent.

That way we wont have capitalist propaganda flung everywhere.

stop you, so my ancestors are not dragged through ww1 with the brits inept leadership

You can't stop a 6 foot tall Afrikaaner wielding a guitar.
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Postby Sovereign Imperial Monarchy » Fri Aug 24, 2012 8:59 am

Prevent the assassination of Abraham Lincoln.

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Postby Xoriet » Fri Aug 24, 2012 9:02 am

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Postby United Kingdom of Poland » Fri Aug 24, 2012 9:09 am

The God-Realm wrote:
United Kingdom of Poland wrote:stop you, so my ancestors are not dragged through ww1 with the brits inept leadership

You can't stop a 6 foot tall Afrikaaner wielding a guitar.

i can if i use a chainsaw

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Death Metal
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Postby Death Metal » Fri Aug 24, 2012 9:11 am

I said this before, but I'd make it so Ayn Rand never left the USSR, saving us from the worst books ever written (and from the entire Libertarian/Tea Party bullshit).
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I support Obama. And so would FA Hayek.

34 arguments Libertarians (and sometimes AnCaps) make, and why they are wrong.

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Postby The Federal Republic of Varsal » Fri Aug 24, 2012 9:17 am

If I could Change one thing in History it would be if America lost the revoultionary war and the British won. Therefore ensuring the British Empire would survive without America challenging it.
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Postby Death Metal » Fri Aug 24, 2012 9:19 am

The Federal Republic of Varsal wrote:If I could Change one thing in History it would be if America lost the revoultionary war and the British won. Therefore ensuring the British Empire would survive without America challenging it.


Which would be a zero sum because the UK would have been completely ruined by continued wars with France anyway.
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Con: Censorship in any medium, Sales Tax, Flat Tax, Small Govt, Overly Large Govt, Laissez Faire, AutoTuner.

I support Obama. And so would FA Hayek.

34 arguments Libertarians (and sometimes AnCaps) make, and why they are wrong.

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Postby The God-Realm » Fri Aug 24, 2012 9:19 am

Death Metal wrote:I said this before, but I'd make it so Ayn Rand never left the USSR, saving us from the worst books ever written (and from the entire Libertarian/Tea Party bullshit).

But I like libertarian-ism.....
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The God-Realm wrote:No

people who qq over losing a gf over a small penis size are insecure and need to check themselves

Before they wreck themselves?

Or their ex' car.

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Postby Death Metal » Fri Aug 24, 2012 9:22 am

The God-Realm wrote:
Death Metal wrote:I said this before, but I'd make it so Ayn Rand never left the USSR, saving us from the worst books ever written (and from the entire Libertarian/Tea Party bullshit).

But I like libertarian-ism.....


Which is weird, because Libertarianism (and Ron Paul) is anti-everythingelseyoustandfor.

Or to put it another way: You like theocratic-authoritarian capitalism?
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(Trump is Reagan 2.0: A nationalistic bimbo who will ruin America.)
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Pro: Civil Equality, Scaled Income Taxes, Centralized Govtt, Moderate Business Regulations, Heavy Metal
Con: Censorship in any medium, Sales Tax, Flat Tax, Small Govt, Overly Large Govt, Laissez Faire, AutoTuner.

I support Obama. And so would FA Hayek.

34 arguments Libertarians (and sometimes AnCaps) make, and why they are wrong.

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Postby Magmia » Fri Aug 24, 2012 9:43 am

Death Metal wrote:I said this before, but I'd make it so Ayn Rand never left the USSR, saving us from the worst books ever written (and from the entire Libertarian/Tea Party bullshit).

:clap: :clap: :clap:
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Postby Vivixen » Fri Aug 24, 2012 10:00 am

Vivixen wrote:1)Stop JFK and Lee Oswald assassination
2) Joined US Soviet landing on the moon
3) Lyndon Johnson never becomes JFKs VP
4) J Edgar Hoover and his gay partner arrested
5) Homosexuals all land in jail
6) Soviet Union gets a better leader (me) and doesn't collapse instead it prospers and starts trade with US
7) US lifts embargo of Cuba
8 US wins Korean war Soviets win Afghanistan war
9) Prevent NATO from going into Libya and killing Gaddafi

Firstly I am not communist I am new type of socialist secondly homophobia means being afraid of my own kind which is ridiculous because I am not afraid of men.
I put all my ideas together if this happened then we wouldn't be living in the world we are now it would be much better. And if your curious why I would be a good leader for the Soviet Union its because I would have helped Africa develop, end unemployment, end the Cold War and prevent global warming. Unless you are right wing or homosexual you should have no problem with my ideas.
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Postby Death Metal » Fri Aug 24, 2012 10:08 am

Vivixen wrote:
Vivixen wrote:1)Stop JFK and Lee Oswald assassination
2) Joined US Soviet landing on the moon
3) Lyndon Johnson never becomes JFKs VP
4) J Edgar Hoover and his gay partner arrested
5) Homosexuals all land in jail
6) Soviet Union gets a better leader (me) and doesn't collapse instead it prospers and starts trade with US
7) US lifts embargo of Cuba
8 US wins Korean war Soviets win Afghanistan war
9) Prevent NATO from going into Libya and killing Gaddafi

Firstly I am not communist I am new type of socialist secondly homophobia means being afraid of my own kind which is ridiculous because I am not afraid of men.
I put all my ideas together if this happened then we wouldn't be living in the world we are now it would be much better. And if your curious why I would be a good leader for the Soviet Union its because I would have helped Africa develop, end unemployment, end the Cold War and prevent global warming. Unless you are right wing or homosexual you should have no problem with my ideas.


I am neither, and your ideas, except the first, are all terrible.
Only here when I'm VERY VERY VERY bored now.
(Trump is Reagan 2.0: A nationalistic bimbo who will ruin America.)
Death Metal: A nation founded on the most powerful force in the world: METAL! \m/
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Pro: Civil Equality, Scaled Income Taxes, Centralized Govtt, Moderate Business Regulations, Heavy Metal
Con: Censorship in any medium, Sales Tax, Flat Tax, Small Govt, Overly Large Govt, Laissez Faire, AutoTuner.

I support Obama. And so would FA Hayek.

34 arguments Libertarians (and sometimes AnCaps) make, and why they are wrong.

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Postby Ulvena » Fri Aug 24, 2012 10:25 am

Prevent President Park's assassination and let him be President for a few more years until he finishes his nuclear project. President Park had a real shot at uniting North Korea and South Korea. But, there's still a better thing: Keep Kim Young Sam and Kim Dae Jung from being President. The former had a large part in the IMF crisis and the latter sold off Daewoo to GM for cheap.

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Postby Zevassa » Fri Aug 24, 2012 10:28 am

Verucia wrote:
Kalaspia-Shimarata wrote:Sorry. I thought you were serious

No worries. Honestly, I'm all for the human race and all.

Is that the 100m or the 200m? Either way, the Jamaicans won.
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Postby The Emerald Dawn » Fri Aug 24, 2012 10:33 am

Zevassa wrote:
Verucia wrote:No worries. Honestly, I'm all for the human race and all.

Is that the 100m or the 200m? Either way, the Jamaicans won.

True fax. Dude is fast on his feet.

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Postby Hollorous » Fri Aug 24, 2012 10:51 am

Nothing, because I have the Terminator 3 philosophy of time travel: some shit is just inevitable, no matter how much you try to change it. I take the stance that most things were simply bound to happen and the only thing one can really change is the details.

For my conscience though, I'd try to prevent the damage done by the Great Leap Forward, since that was such a terrible travesty. I figure time machines are already teeming with people trying to prevent the Holocaust. ;)

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Postby Ereria » Sat Aug 25, 2012 1:17 am

Give shit load of free condoms to Mr. and Mrs. Bieber
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Postby The Theban Legion » Sat Aug 25, 2012 1:24 am

Death Metal wrote:I said this before, but I'd make it so Ayn Rand never left the USSR, saving us from the worst books ever written (and from the entire Libertarian/Tea Party bullshit).


Which books would that be? I only know of one...

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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Sat Aug 25, 2012 1:27 am

The Theban Legion wrote:
Death Metal wrote:I said this before, but I'd make it so Ayn Rand never left the USSR, saving us from the worst books ever written (and from the entire Libertarian/Tea Party bullshit).


Which books would that be? I only know of one...


The Fountainhead
Atlas Shrugged
We, The Living
Anthem
The Virtue Of Selfishness
Various other bits of sociopathic nonsense.

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Postby New Socialist New Hampshire » Sat Aug 25, 2012 1:30 am

America wouldn't be capitalist.
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Postby Old Tyrannia » Sat Aug 25, 2012 1:37 am

Kalaspia-Shimarata wrote:
Verucia wrote:Stopped that meteor from killing the dinosaurs. Human race never gets a chance to manifest and evolve.

:palm: But you're human

Who cares? Dinosaurs are way cooler than humans. The world would be better off if they'd never gone extinct.

Anyhow, I could never pick one thing in history to change. It'd be an impossible choice. But besides saving the dinosaurs, I'd also like to make it so that ancient Egypt was never conquered by the Persians in 342 BC. I'd probably avert the Fourth Crusade so that the Byzantine Empire didn't fall to the crusaders, and hopefully retained enough strength to subsequently resist the Ottoman Empire. I'd have King Louis XVI's early attempts at reform succeed, thus averting the French Revolution while still creating a more tolerant and progressive France than that of the Ancien Regime, and I'd stop the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand, thereby averting the First (and consequently Second) World War(s), as well as keep Germany, Austria-Hungary and Russia as monarchies. I'd also make the Guangxu Emperor's reforms in 19th century Qing China succesful and stop the Empress Dowager Cixi's coup, and make sure that the Qing dynasty was never overthrown.

On the other hand, since all of this would almost certainly have a myriad of unforseen consequences, it might be better to leave history alone.
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Postby Vivixen » Sat Aug 25, 2012 9:17 am

Death Metal wrote:
Vivixen wrote:Firstly I am not communist I am new type of socialist secondly homophobia means being afraid of my own kind which is ridiculous because I am not afraid of men.
I put all my ideas together if this happened then we wouldn't be living in the world we are now it would be much better. And if your curious why I would be a good leader for the Soviet Union its because I would have helped Africa develop, end unemployment, end the Cold War and prevent global warming. Unless you are right wing or homosexual you should have no problem with my ideas.


I am neither, and your ideas, except the first, are all terrible.

I am sorry that you don't understand that the joined Soviet US moon landing would have ended the cold war early and opened relations between both super powers.
If J Edgar Hoover was arrested than an FBI chief would have came to power that would have chased after criminals not commies and Hoover files would have been destroyed.
If homosexuals are all arrested it would stop the spread of STIs/STDs.
If US wins the Korean war North Korea wouldn't exist and all of Korea would be as prosperous as South Korea.
Without NATO intervention in Libya the terrorists (funded by the US) would have been apprehended and people in Libya would continue living a good life under the Gaddafi regime just look up the green book and all non western news coverage of Libya.
I hope you can come to a conclusion about the other points on your own.
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Postby 4years » Sat Aug 25, 2012 2:51 pm

Vivixen wrote:
Vivixen wrote:1)Stop JFK and Lee Oswald assassination
2) Joined US Soviet landing on the moon
3) Lyndon Johnson never becomes JFKs VP
4) J Edgar Hoover and his gay partner arrested
5) Homosexuals all land in jail
6) Soviet Union gets a better leader (me) and doesn't collapse instead it prospers and starts trade with US
7) US lifts embargo of Cuba
8 US wins Korean war Soviets win Afghanistan war
9) Prevent NATO from going into Libya and killing Gaddafi

Firstly I am not communist I am new type of socialist secondly homophobia means being afraid of my own kind which is ridiculous because I am not afraid of men.
I put all my ideas together if this happened then we wouldn't be living in the world we are now it would be much better. And if your curious why I would be a good leader for the Soviet Union its because I would have helped Africa develop, end unemployment, end the Cold War and prevent global warming. Unless you are right wing or homosexual you should have no problem with my ideas.


1. I am neither and numbers 4, 5, and 9 are terrible.
2. I would be a better leader of the Soviet Union than you.
3. Homophobia does not mean being afraid of men it means being afraid of homosexual people.
4. What new type of socialist?
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Postby 4years » Sat Aug 25, 2012 2:54 pm

Vivixen wrote:
Death Metal wrote:
I am neither, and your ideas, except the first, are all terrible.

I am sorry that you don't understand that the joined Soviet US moon landing would have ended the cold war early and opened relations between both super powers.
If J Edgar Hoover was arrested than an FBI chief would have came to power that would have chased after criminals not commies and Hoover files would have been destroyed.
If homosexuals are all arrested it would stop the spread of STIs/STDs.
If US wins the Korean war North Korea wouldn't exist and all of Korea would be as prosperous as South Korea.
Without NATO intervention in Libya the terrorists (funded by the US) would have been apprehended and people in Libya would continue living a good life under the Gaddafi regime just look up the green book and all non western news coverage of Libya.
I hope you can come to a conclusion about the other points on your own.

1. Hoover sucked but, you go to far.
2. No, arresting homosexuals would not stop the spread of STIs/STDs.
3.Gaddafi funded terrorists to.
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"In place of bourgeois society with all of it's classes and class antagonisms, we shall have an association, one in which the free development of each is the condition for the free development of all" -Karl Marx
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Postby United Kingdom of Poland » Sat Aug 25, 2012 3:40 pm

Vivixen wrote:
Death Metal wrote:
I am neither, and your ideas, except the first, are all terrible.

I am sorry that you don't understand that the joined Soviet US moon landing would have ended the cold war early and opened relations between both super powers.
If J Edgar Hoover was arrested than an FBI chief would have came to power that would have chased after criminals not commies and Hoover files would have been destroyed.
If homosexuals are all arrested it would stop the spread of STIs/STDs.
If US wins the Korean war North Korea wouldn't exist and all of Korea would be as prosperous as South Korea.
Without NATO intervention in Libya the terrorists (funded by the US) would have been apprehended and people in Libya would continue living a good life under the Gaddafi regime just look up the green book and all non western news coverage of Libya.
I hope you can come to a conclusion about the other points on your own.

1.i would rather have all the tech that came out of the space race over relations, because at that point relations were relitively calm
2. you mean a director that would have done his job instead of a paronoid director who only cared about chasing people he thought were commies.
3. you do know that more people have stds then gays right and most are actually blood born illnesses.
4.cant argue with reason but how do you plan on winning the war without nukes
5. because living under one of the most oppresive modern societies would have been so great.
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