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Postby Celritannia » Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:43 pm

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Oh the irony!


Have fun worshiping those who are more powerful than you just because


Yet I see the US being more controlled by an elite than the UK. Bushes, Walkers, Kennedies, they are all elitest familes in the US and probably far richer than the UK/Commonwealth Realm Monarchy.

The People don't see her as an Elitest here, well, I certainly dont'. I see a women who is the symbol of unity of our country, and will try her best to make sure that the people of the UK are in good health. Yes there are familes who are in poor conditions, but that isn't Her Majesty's fault, that is the fault of the Conservative-Liberal Government.

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Postby Trotskylvania » Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:43 pm

The Floor Kippers wrote:
Trotskylvania wrote:For fuck's sake, I never called the country a police state. Unhoist those strawmen.

I said that there are clear social penalties to not treating royals like they are your natural superiors, which is undeniably true False.

What, you think Lizzie and Phil will send the lads around if you don't say, "Your Majesty"?

EDIT: Currently Watching the Thames Pageant.

Those strawmen are quite handsome.

Given how defensive you guys seem to get about any criticism of your feudal relics, I'd say the fact that there are social sanctions towards not following proper protocol is pretty much undeniable.

But if you want some proof, try meeting with any one of your hereditary nobles and treat them like you would any other British subject, and watch everyone's umbrage for you failing to show proper deference to their nobility.
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Father Knows Best State

Postby Old Tyrannia » Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:43 pm

Canadian Davsland wrote:
The Floor Kippers wrote:Ireland is too hateful of us know, as far as I know. Scotland, Love-Hate relationship. Germany, Better than it has been, Italy, Austria-Hungary, Russia, I have no Idea.


Does anyone else remember Jedi999? I am so glad he isn't here. He'd probably bang on about "TEH EVUL BRITANZ!"


I think Scotland is distrustful of Britain. SCOTLAND INDEPENDENCE 2014!! :)

Right, I hated you before, now I am consumed with utter loathing. As if it's not enough that you're hellbent on betraying your rightful sovereign and turning your own country into America's 52nd state, now you want to tear MY homeland apart.
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Postby Excessive Violence » Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:44 pm

The Grand World Order wrote:
Excessive Violence wrote:The land will still be there when the royal's heads are on spikes


Yes! Yes! Let's just kill people who have more money/land than us and steal it all! We'll kill all the investors, business owners, and intellectuals next.

Your nation's name is fitting.

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Postby Trotskylvania » Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:45 pm

Old Tyrannia wrote:
Canadian Davsland wrote:
I think Scotland is distrustful of Britain. SCOTLAND INDEPENDENCE 2014!! :)

Right, I hated you before, now I am consumed with utter loathing. As if it's not enough that you're hellbent on betraying your rightful sovereign and turning your own country into America's 52nd state, now you want to tear MY homeland apart.

By what right is she anyone's sovereign?
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Postby The Grand World Order » Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:46 pm

Excessive Violence wrote:Like the land she now owns, the castles will still be there. But maybe if she isn't then Americans can have a look round the castles, instead of just looking from the railings


Yes, or some rich American will literally buy the castle and have it shipped here to America. We've done that, you know?

Or, rather, some rich Briton will buy the castle, and instead of actual embodiments of a nation's leader, they'll get chased off by the police for bothering the nice rich folk who live there. Or, they'll become some sort of Civil War Reenactment style mockup of what used to be.


Excessive Violence wrote:
The Grand World Order wrote:
Yes! Yes! Let's just kill people who have more money/land than us and steal it all! We'll kill all the investors, business owners, and intellectuals next.

Your nation's name is fitting.

Straw Man


do you even know what a straw man is

You proposed killing the Royals.
I said, sarcastically, "Yes, let's kill people and seize their lawfully owned land!"

You're a funny guy. I hope you'll be here all week.
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Postby Vecherd » Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:46 pm

Old Tyrannia wrote:
Canadian Davsland wrote:
I think Scotland is distrustful of Britain. SCOTLAND INDEPENDENCE 2014!! :)

Right, I hated you before, now I am consumed with utter loathing. As if it's not enough that you're hellbent on betraying your rightful sovereign and turning your own country into America's 52nd state, now you want to tear MY homeland apart.


I didn't know you owned the UK. Impressive.
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Postby Old Tyrannia » Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:47 pm

Trotskylvania wrote:
Old Tyrannia wrote:Right, I hated you before, now I am consumed with utter loathing. As if it's not enough that you're hellbent on betraying your rightful sovereign and turning your own country into America's 52nd state, now you want to tear MY homeland apart.

By what right is she anyone's sovereign?

Divine right.
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Postby Wikkiwallana » Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:47 pm

Great Nepal wrote:
San Monteriano wrote:Secondly, the House of Commons would have to cede powers to a Senate due to its legitimacy; powers would be separated between the Commons and the Senate.

And what would be the point of that, exactly? There is a legitimate HoC, who should only be overruled by people.

Can the people currently overrule them?
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Postby The Floor Kippers » Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:47 pm

Trotskylvania wrote:
The Floor Kippers wrote:What, you think Lizzie and Phil will send the lads around if you don't say, "Your Majesty"?

EDIT: Currently Watching the Thames Pageant.

Those strawmen are quite handsome.

Given how defensive you guys seem to get about any criticism of your feudal relics, I'd say the fact that there are social sanctions towards not following proper protocol is pretty much undeniable.

But if you want some proof, try meeting with any one of your hereditary nobles and treat them like you would any other British subject, and watch everyone's umbrage for you failing to show proper deference to their nobility.

:meh: I was trying a Little Humour. Imagining the Royal Family as a cockeny gang.
Let me ask you, do you live in Great Britain?
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The Floor Kippers wrote:Britain has a stronger claim than Argentina does.

That doesn't say much...
Martian alien slugs who have never heard of earth have stronger claim than Argentina.

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Postby Tlaceceyaya » Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:48 pm

Trotskylvania wrote:
Old Tyrannia wrote:Right, I hated you before, now I am consumed with utter loathing. As if it's not enough that you're hellbent on betraying your rightful sovereign and turning your own country into America's 52nd state, now you want to tear MY homeland apart.

By what right is she anyone's sovereign?

She is the rightful sovereign because one of her ancestors did something and skill at leadership is 100% genetically determined.
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Postby Old Tyrannia » Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:48 pm

Vecherd wrote:
Old Tyrannia wrote:Right, I hated you before, now I am consumed with utter loathing. As if it's not enough that you're hellbent on betraying your rightful sovereign and turning your own country into America's 52nd state, now you want to tear MY homeland apart.


I didn't know you owned the UK. Impressive.

It's the land that is my home. Does that not make it, by definition, my homeland?
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Postby Canadian Davsland » Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:48 pm

The Floor Kippers wrote:
Canadian Davsland wrote:
I think Scotland is distrustful of Britain. SCOTLAND INDEPENDENCE 2014!! :)

You Think many things.


I believe Canada and The Britain would be better off as republics.
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Postby The Floor Kippers » Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:48 pm

Vecherd wrote:
Old Tyrannia wrote:Right, I hated you before, now I am consumed with utter loathing. As if it's not enough that you're hellbent on betraying your rightful sovereign and turning your own country into America's 52nd state, now you want to tear MY homeland apart.


I didn't know you owned the UK. Impressive.

He lives there, It is his, I live there, It is Mine. We live here, it is ours. She Lives here, it is hers
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The Floor Kippers wrote:Britain has a stronger claim than Argentina does.

That doesn't say much...
Martian alien slugs who have never heard of earth have stronger claim than Argentina.

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Postby Wikkiwallana » Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:48 pm

Ailiailia wrote:Shame it was pissing down rain though. Maybe that explains all the grimacing.

If it weren't, would it be England?
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Postby Divair » Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:49 pm

Canadian Davsland wrote:
The Floor Kippers wrote:You Think many things.


I believe Canada and The Britain would be better off as republics.

Thankfully what you believe doesn't change the facts.

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Postby Vecherd » Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:50 pm

Old Tyrannia wrote:
Vecherd wrote:
I didn't know you owned the UK. Impressive.

It's the land that is my home. Does that not make it, by definition, my homeland?


The house you grew up in sure, but just because you grew up in said country surely don't mean you have a right to keep the kingdom together.
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Postby Trotskylvania » Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:50 pm

Old Tyrannia wrote:
Trotskylvania wrote:By what right is she anyone's sovereign?

Divine right.

The people who have ruled by divine right have been some of the most vicious cunts in human history. If you're going to sanction the present sovereign by divine right, you've got to take the whole line all the way back to William the Conqueror at the very least. And quite frankly, attributing that run of tyrants, thieves, murderers and brigands to the Almighty sounds more a like an insult than anything.

But god probably doesn't exist, so claiming divine right is pretty much irrelevant.
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Postby The Floor Kippers » Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:51 pm

Can't we just let sleeping dogs Lie?
It isn't broken, don't try to fix it.
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The Floor Kippers wrote:Britain has a stronger claim than Argentina does.

That doesn't say much...
Martian alien slugs who have never heard of earth have stronger claim than Argentina.

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Postby Excessive Violence » Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:52 pm

The Grand World Order wrote:
Excessive Violence wrote:Like the land she now owns, the castles will still be there. But maybe if she isn't then Americans can have a look round the castles, instead of just looking from the railings


Yes, or some rich American will literally buy the castle and have it shipped here to America. We've done that, you know?

Or, rather, some rich Briton will buy the castle, and instead of actual embodiments of a nation's leader, they'll get chased off by the police for bothering the nice rich folk who live there. Or, they'll become some sort of Civil War Reenactment style mockup of what used to be.


Excessive Violence wrote:Straw Man


do you even know what a straw man is

You proposed killing the Royals.
I said, sarcastically, "Yes, let's kill people and seize their lawfully owned land!"

You're a funny guy. I hope you'll be here all week.

You suggest I advocate the bolded. I don't. That's just a straw man you set up.

P.S. Try the veal
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Postby Trotskylvania » Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:52 pm

The Floor Kippers wrote:
Trotskylvania wrote:Those strawmen are quite handsome.

Given how defensive you guys seem to get about any criticism of your feudal relics, I'd say the fact that there are social sanctions towards not following proper protocol is pretty much undeniable.

But if you want some proof, try meeting with any one of your hereditary nobles and treat them like you would any other British subject, and watch everyone's umbrage for you failing to show proper deference to their nobility.

:meh: I was trying a Little Humour. Imagining the Royal Family as a cockeny gang.
Let me ask you, do you live in Great Britain?

Sorry, yours blended in perfectly with the other strawman attacks accusing me of calling the UK a police state and other absurdities.

Well, their ancestors were little better than a cockney gang, so I suppose it fits.
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Postby Canadian Davsland » Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:52 pm

Divair wrote:
Canadian Davsland wrote:
I believe Canada and The Britain would be better off as republics.

Thankfully what you believe doesn't change the facts.



That may be, but the queen is NOT the ruler of me, and I have a right to believe that a republic is better and more democratic.
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Postby Gross Prussia » Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:52 pm

Condem the queen! She does nothing for anyone.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:52 pm

The Floor Kippers wrote:Can't we just let sleeping dogs Lie?
It isn't broken, don't try to fix it.

But but but, it went dreadfully well last time we tried it? Why not try eet again?

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Postby Old Tyrannia » Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:52 pm

Vecherd wrote:
Old Tyrannia wrote:It's the land that is my home. Does that not make it, by definition, my homeland?


The house you grew up in sure, but just because you grew up in said country surely don't mean you have a right to keep the kingdom together.

So what you're saying is that the citizens of a country should have no say in the future of said country?
Trotskylvania wrote:
Old Tyrannia wrote:Divine right.

The people who have ruled by divine right have been some of the most vicious cunts in human history. If you're going to sanction the present sovereign by divine right, you've got to take the whole line all the way back to William the Conqueror at the very least. And quite frankly, attributing that run of tyrants, thieves, murderers and brigands to the Almighty sounds more a like an insult than anything.

But god probably doesn't exist, so claiming divine right is pretty much irrelevant.

Actually, I'm an atheist. You were just annoying me, so I decided to troll you.
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