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Postby No-Ghost Zone » Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:05 pm

Oh goodie, a celebration of the elite...
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Postby The Grand World Order » Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:06 pm

Vecherd wrote:Celebrating a constitutional monarch is illogical. Inherent of "great powers" and wealth taken from the people is disgusting.



TAKEN? Are you fucking kidding? For a few million pounds taken, the Monarchy brings in -billions- by simply existing, and those billions go into the UK's economy and public services.
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Postby The Floor Kippers » Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:07 pm

The Grand World Order wrote:
Vecherd wrote:Celebrating a constitutional monarch is illogical. Inherent of "great powers" and wealth taken from the people is disgusting.



TAKEN? Are you fucking kidding? For a few million pounds taken, the Monarchy brings in -billions- by simply existing, and those billions go into the UK's economy and public services.

It's something like 62p per person goes to the royals, really breaking the bank there. I don't know how we afford it!
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Postby Canadian Davsland » Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:11 pm

The Floor Kippers wrote:
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By way of a referendum to change to a new system. And the Governor General would be elected by way of an election and have a 4 year term.

What I mean is, if we were to do what you say, would it make a difference to anything else at all?


Tax payers would not have to bear the bill for when the royals come to visit anymore. laws could be approved in Ottawa, and they would not have to be sent to the queen for approval. And Canada would be moving out of it's colonial past and advancing into the future.
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Postby The Grand World Order » Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:11 pm

The Floor Kippers wrote:
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TAKEN? Are you fucking kidding? For a few million pounds taken, the Monarchy brings in -billions- by simply existing, and those billions go into the UK's economy and public services.

It's something like 62p per person goes to the royals, really breaking the bank there. I don't know how we afford it!


Especially not when the government gets 200 million pounds* annually from the royal land revenues alone!

*40 million pounds goes towards the Royal Family.
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Postby Greater Alaska (Ancient) » Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:12 pm

No-Ghost Zone wrote:Oh goodie, a celebration of the elite...

Oh goodie, another pointless comment.....


Oh the irony!

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Postby Vellosia » Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:12 pm

Canadian Davsland wrote:
The Floor Kippers wrote:What I mean is, if we were to do what you say, would it make a difference to anything else at all?


Tax payers would not have to bear the bill for when the royals come to visit anymore. laws could be approved in Ottawa, and they would not have to be sent to the queen for approval. And Canada would be moving out of it's colonial past and advancing into the future.


They already are - the Governor-General signs them on her behalf.
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Postby Vecherd » Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:14 pm

The Grand World Order wrote:
Vecherd wrote:Celebrating a constitutional monarch is illogical. Inherent of "great powers" and wealth taken from the people is disgusting.



TAKEN? Are you fucking kidding? For a few million pounds taken, the Monarchy brings in -billions- by simply existing, and those billions go into the UK's economy and public services.


And those money are repatriated then?
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Postby Canadian Davsland » Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:14 pm

Vellosia wrote:
Canadian Davsland wrote:
Tax payers would not have to bear the bill for when the royals come to visit anymore. laws could be approved in Ottawa, and they would not have to be sent to the queen for approval. And Canada would be moving out of it's colonial past and advancing into the future.


They already are - the Governor-General signs them on her behalf.


That would end under the new system. and once the royals are out of Canada.
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Postby Vellosia » Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:15 pm

Canadian Davsland wrote:
Vellosia wrote:
They already are - the Governor-General signs them on her behalf.


That would end under the new system. and once the royals are out of Canada.


I get the impression you're on a crusade without really presenting any arguments for it.
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Postby Poorisolation » Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:16 pm

Greater Alaska wrote:
No-Ghost Zone wrote:Oh goodie, a celebration of the elite...

Oh goodie, another pointless comment.....


Oh the irony!



Well we have spent centuries training this particular political elite to obedience, we had to be firm mind, we trimmed one's head for being too uppity, we chased another off for still being uppity and just when they were all starting to relax we bullied a third into resigning over wanting to marry a woman whom lots of us disapproved of.

We like to throw them a Jubilee now and again like a doggie biscuit if they have been good.
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Postby Divair » Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:17 pm

The Grand World Order wrote:
The Floor Kippers wrote:It's something like 62p per person goes to the royals, really breaking the bank there. I don't know how we afford it!


Especially not when the government gets 200 million pounds* annually from the royal land revenues alone!

*40 million pounds goes towards the Royal Family.

Good to see at least someone has done some research.

And let us not forget that quite a bit of tourism is directed towards the royal family and their associated buildings/land marks.

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Postby Aleprennia » Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:19 pm

I got back from the banks of the Thames (North, Vauxhall Bridge) a few hours ago and the Diamond Jubilee Pageant was a great event and was amazing. I particularly enjoyed the Scottish Pipes and Drums.

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Postby The Floor Kippers » Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:19 pm

Canadian Davsland wrote:
The Floor Kippers wrote:What I mean is, if we were to do what you say, would it make a difference to anything else at all?


Tax payers would not have to bear the bill for when the royals come to visit anymore. laws could be approved in Ottawa, and they would not have to be sent to the queen for approval. And Canada would be moving out of it's colonial past and advancing into the future.

1. Are you sure that happens?
2. The Govenor General Does that.
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The Floor Kippers wrote:Britain has a stronger claim than Argentina does.

That doesn't say much...
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Postby The Grand World Order » Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:19 pm

Vecherd wrote:
And those money are repatriated then?



Back in Ye Olde Tymes, King George III (yes, America's Last King) was in some pretty hefty debt, and the revenue from his land wasn't covering it. So, he made a deal with Parliament: He'd turn over all of his land profits in exchange for a fixed salary. So, it was done.

Ever since then, every King and Queen has given their land profits to the government, while still relying on a fixed salary.

The Royal Family costs 40 million pounds.

Their land revenues, which are donated to Parliament and thus the public, total 200 million pounds.

That's a net profit of 160 million pounds for the public.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:20 pm

Poorisolation wrote:
Greater Alaska wrote:Oh goodie, another pointless comment.....


Oh the irony!



Well we have spent centuries training this particular political elite to obedience, we had to be firm mind, we trimmed one's head for being too uppity, we chased another off for still being uppity and just when they were all starting to relax we bullied a third into resigning over wanting to marry a woman whom lots of us disapproved of.

We like to throw them a Jubilee now and again like a doggie biscuit if they have been good.
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Postby The Grand World Order » Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:21 pm

Divair wrote:Good to see at least someone has done some research.

And let us not forget that quite a bit of tourism is directed towards the royal family and their associated buildings/land marks.


I mean ffs I'm a Yank who's heritage is from countries that historically did not get along with London. It disturbs me that there are people who actually -live- in the UK who don't know about their own government.
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Postby The Floor Kippers » Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:22 pm

The Grand World Order wrote:
Divair wrote:Good to see at least someone has done some research.

And let us not forget that quite a bit of tourism is directed towards the royal family and their associated buildings/land marks.


I mean ffs I'm a Yank who's heritage is from countries that historically did not get along with London. It disturbs me that there are people who actually -live- in the UK who don't know about their own government.

A fair few just live in their own little world. It's the same in every Nation really.
Out of Interest, what countries are those?
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The Floor Kippers wrote:Britain has a stronger claim than Argentina does.

That doesn't say much...
Martian alien slugs who have never heard of earth have stronger claim than Argentina.

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Postby Vecherd » Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:22 pm

The Grand World Order wrote:
Vecherd wrote:
And those money are repatriated then?



Back in Ye Olde Tymes, King George III was in some pretty hefty debt, and the revenue from his land wasn't covering it. So, he made a deal with Parliament: He'd turn over all of his land profits in exchange for a fixed salary. So, it was done.

Ever since then, every King and Queen has given their land profits to the government, while still relying on a fixed salary.

The Royal Family costs 40 million pounds.

Their land revenues, which are donated to Parliament and thus the public, total 200 million pounds.

That's a net profit of 160 million pounds for the public.


I am going to have to take that as a no, considering that those money probably are used to expand the state and not to cut taxes.
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Postby Canadian Davsland » Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:23 pm

The Floor Kippers wrote:
Canadian Davsland wrote:
Tax payers would not have to bear the bill for when the royals come to visit anymore. laws could be approved in Ottawa, and they would not have to be sent to the queen for approval. And Canada would be moving out of it's colonial past and advancing into the future.

1. Are you sure that happens?
2. The Govenor General Does that.


Taxpayers are sick of paying millions of dollars to the royals for their visits, and we do have a movement against the royals in Canada, look them up.
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Postby The Floor Kippers » Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:23 pm

Vecherd wrote:
The Grand World Order wrote:

Back in Ye Olde Tymes, King George III was in some pretty hefty debt, and the revenue from his land wasn't covering it. So, he made a deal with Parliament: He'd turn over all of his land profits in exchange for a fixed salary. So, it was done.

Ever since then, every King and Queen has given their land profits to the government, while still relying on a fixed salary.

The Royal Family costs 40 million pounds.

Their land revenues, which are donated to Parliament and thus the public, total 200 million pounds.

That's a net profit of 160 million pounds for the public.


I am going to have to take that as a no, considering that those money probably are used to expand the state and not to cut taxes.

Not with this government, they've cut the state and Raised Taxes!
(Maybe, I don't pay a lot of attention to Parliment, I get angry when I do)
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The Floor Kippers wrote:Britain has a stronger claim than Argentina does.

That doesn't say much...
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Postby The Floor Kippers » Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:25 pm

Canadian Davsland wrote:
The Floor Kippers wrote:1. Are you sure that happens?
2. The Govenor General Does that.


Taxpayers are sick of paying millions of dollars to the royals for their visits, and we do have a movement against the royals in Canada, look them up.

Taxpayers are always sick of paying for something, no-one likes to foot the bill.
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The Floor Kippers wrote:Britain has a stronger claim than Argentina does.

That doesn't say much...
Martian alien slugs who have never heard of earth have stronger claim than Argentina.

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Postby Divair » Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:25 pm

Vecherd wrote:
The Grand World Order wrote:

Back in Ye Olde Tymes, King George III was in some pretty hefty debt, and the revenue from his land wasn't covering it. So, he made a deal with Parliament: He'd turn over all of his land profits in exchange for a fixed salary. So, it was done.

Ever since then, every King and Queen has given their land profits to the government, while still relying on a fixed salary.

The Royal Family costs 40 million pounds.

Their land revenues, which are donated to Parliament and thus the public, total 200 million pounds.

That's a net profit of 160 million pounds for the public.


I am going to have to take that as a no, considering that those money probably are used to expand the state and not to cut taxes.

Oh no, they used it to help the country. How sad.

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Postby Vellosia » Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:25 pm

Canadian Davsland wrote:
The Floor Kippers wrote:1. Are you sure that happens?
2. The Govenor General Does that.


Taxpayers are sick of paying millions of dollars to the royals for their visits, and we do have a movement against the royals in Canada, look them up.


Obviously nowhere nearly strong enough then.
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Postby Trotskylvania » Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:25 pm

The Grand World Order wrote:
Vecherd wrote:Celebrating a constitutional monarch is illogical. Inherent of "great powers" and wealth taken from the people is disgusting.



TAKEN? Are you fucking kidding? For a few million pounds taken, the Monarchy brings in -billions- by simply existing, and those billions go into the UK's economy and public services.

No it doesn't. Those studies are uniformly bad, and pay no regard to studying, at all, the differential in tourism revenue that would occur if there was no monarch.

People are still going to visit Buckingham Palace, whether there's a monarch residing in it or not.
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