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by No-Ghost Zone » Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:05 pm

by The Grand World Order » Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:06 pm
Vecherd wrote:Celebrating a constitutional monarch is illogical. Inherent of "great powers" and wealth taken from the people is disgusting.

by The Floor Kippers » Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:07 pm
The Grand World Order wrote:Vecherd wrote:Celebrating a constitutional monarch is illogical. Inherent of "great powers" and wealth taken from the people is disgusting.
TAKEN? Are you fucking kidding? For a few million pounds taken, the Monarchy brings in -billions- by simply existing, and those billions go into the UK's economy and public services.

by Canadian Davsland » Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:11 pm

by The Grand World Order » Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:11 pm
The Floor Kippers wrote:The Grand World Order wrote:
TAKEN? Are you fucking kidding? For a few million pounds taken, the Monarchy brings in -billions- by simply existing, and those billions go into the UK's economy and public services.
It's something like 62p per person goes to the royals, really breaking the bank there. I don't know how we afford it!

by Greater Alaska (Ancient) » Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:12 pm
No-Ghost Zone wrote:Oh goodie, a celebration of the elite...

by Vellosia » Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:12 pm
Canadian Davsland wrote:The Floor Kippers wrote:What I mean is, if we were to do what you say, would it make a difference to anything else at all?
Tax payers would not have to bear the bill for when the royals come to visit anymore. laws could be approved in Ottawa, and they would not have to be sent to the queen for approval. And Canada would be moving out of it's colonial past and advancing into the future.

by Vecherd » Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:14 pm
The Grand World Order wrote:Vecherd wrote:Celebrating a constitutional monarch is illogical. Inherent of "great powers" and wealth taken from the people is disgusting.
TAKEN? Are you fucking kidding? For a few million pounds taken, the Monarchy brings in -billions- by simply existing, and those billions go into the UK's economy and public services.

by Canadian Davsland » Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:14 pm
Vellosia wrote:Canadian Davsland wrote:
Tax payers would not have to bear the bill for when the royals come to visit anymore. laws could be approved in Ottawa, and they would not have to be sent to the queen for approval. And Canada would be moving out of it's colonial past and advancing into the future.
They already are - the Governor-General signs them on her behalf.

by Poorisolation » Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:16 pm

by Divair » Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:17 pm
The Grand World Order wrote:The Floor Kippers wrote:It's something like 62p per person goes to the royals, really breaking the bank there. I don't know how we afford it!
Especially not when the government gets 200 million pounds* annually from the royal land revenues alone!
*40 million pounds goes towards the Royal Family.

by Aleprennia » Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:19 pm

by The Floor Kippers » Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:19 pm
Canadian Davsland wrote:The Floor Kippers wrote:What I mean is, if we were to do what you say, would it make a difference to anything else at all?
Tax payers would not have to bear the bill for when the royals come to visit anymore. laws could be approved in Ottawa, and they would not have to be sent to the queen for approval. And Canada would be moving out of it's colonial past and advancing into the future.

by The Grand World Order » Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:19 pm
Vecherd wrote:
And those money are repatriated then?

by Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:20 pm
^Poorisolation wrote:
Well we have spent centuries training this particular political elite to obedience, we had to be firm mind, we trimmed one's head for being too uppity, we chased another off for still being uppity and just when they were all starting to relax we bullied a third into resigning over wanting to marry a woman whom lots of us disapproved of.
We like to throw them a Jubilee now and again like a doggie biscuit if they have been good.

by The Grand World Order » Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:21 pm
Divair wrote:Good to see at least someone has done some research.
And let us not forget that quite a bit of tourism is directed towards the royal family and their associated buildings/land marks.

by The Floor Kippers » Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:22 pm
The Grand World Order wrote:Divair wrote:Good to see at least someone has done some research.
And let us not forget that quite a bit of tourism is directed towards the royal family and their associated buildings/land marks.
I mean ffs I'm a Yank who's heritage is from countries that historically did not get along with London. It disturbs me that there are people who actually -live- in the UK who don't know about their own government.

by Vecherd » Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:22 pm
The Grand World Order wrote:Vecherd wrote:
And those money are repatriated then?
Back in Ye Olde Tymes, King George III was in some pretty hefty debt, and the revenue from his land wasn't covering it. So, he made a deal with Parliament: He'd turn over all of his land profits in exchange for a fixed salary. So, it was done.
Ever since then, every King and Queen has given their land profits to the government, while still relying on a fixed salary.
The Royal Family costs 40 million pounds.
Their land revenues, which are donated to Parliament and thus the public, total 200 million pounds.
That's a net profit of 160 million pounds for the public.

by Canadian Davsland » Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:23 pm
The Floor Kippers wrote:Canadian Davsland wrote:
Tax payers would not have to bear the bill for when the royals come to visit anymore. laws could be approved in Ottawa, and they would not have to be sent to the queen for approval. And Canada would be moving out of it's colonial past and advancing into the future.
1. Are you sure that happens?
2. The Govenor General Does that.

by The Floor Kippers » Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:23 pm
Vecherd wrote:The Grand World Order wrote:
Back in Ye Olde Tymes, King George III was in some pretty hefty debt, and the revenue from his land wasn't covering it. So, he made a deal with Parliament: He'd turn over all of his land profits in exchange for a fixed salary. So, it was done.
Ever since then, every King and Queen has given their land profits to the government, while still relying on a fixed salary.
The Royal Family costs 40 million pounds.
Their land revenues, which are donated to Parliament and thus the public, total 200 million pounds.
That's a net profit of 160 million pounds for the public.
I am going to have to take that as a no, considering that those money probably are used to expand the state and not to cut taxes.

by The Floor Kippers » Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:25 pm

by Divair » Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:25 pm
Vecherd wrote:The Grand World Order wrote:
Back in Ye Olde Tymes, King George III was in some pretty hefty debt, and the revenue from his land wasn't covering it. So, he made a deal with Parliament: He'd turn over all of his land profits in exchange for a fixed salary. So, it was done.
Ever since then, every King and Queen has given their land profits to the government, while still relying on a fixed salary.
The Royal Family costs 40 million pounds.
Their land revenues, which are donated to Parliament and thus the public, total 200 million pounds.
That's a net profit of 160 million pounds for the public.
I am going to have to take that as a no, considering that those money probably are used to expand the state and not to cut taxes.

by Trotskylvania » Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:25 pm
The Grand World Order wrote:Vecherd wrote:Celebrating a constitutional monarch is illogical. Inherent of "great powers" and wealth taken from the people is disgusting.
TAKEN? Are you fucking kidding? For a few million pounds taken, the Monarchy brings in -billions- by simply existing, and those billions go into the UK's economy and public services.
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