Abortion discussion in Turkey

[Genivaria]

what the fuck? Yes it is. Being pregnant is a medical condition.

We're not aborting a condition here though. We're aborting a baby.

No we're not.
This is a baby.

This is a zygote.

Learn the difference.

[Samuraikoku]

She gave permission when she had sex.

And if she was raped?

He also failed to answer that question.

[Christian Democrats]

I can't ask for an organ back that I've donated to someone after transplantation has occurred. The woman can't ask for her uterus back after conception has occurred. She must wait until the child is done using it.


There isn't a great possibility of being killed in the road, so one does not consent to that.

Except you wanted to give the organ to somebody else. The woman never wanted her uterus to be used for a fetus, if she was seeking a pregnancy.

It doesn't matter what someone wants; it's about their actions.

A drunk driver might say that he didn't want to hit a pedestrian, but he still must take responsibility for what he did.

It's all about what people do, not what they want to have happened.

[Hallistar]

Not the same as consenting to actually becoming pregnant or carrying to term if she does. What was it you were blabbering about actually thinking things through to avoid posting opinions that are fucking stupid?

Can you people not follow logical chain of events?

Can you not follow reality that consenting to sex doesn't mean you are consenting to being pregnant, and that it is technically a byproduct of the genetic material the body receives from the sperm?

[Chinese Regions]

Burden of Proof is on you.

No it isn't. He made a claim, I'm asking him to back up that claim,

yes he did he made a valid argument
You aren't backing up your when you say 'yes it is' or 'no it isn't'.

[Jedi8246]

She gave permission when she had sex.

And if she was raped?

Good question. I'm still determine my beliefs in that circumstance.

[AiliailiA]

No such thing as a soul.

Prove it.

"The soul" is a rather subjective thing. I certainly would not attempt to disprove the existence of your soul.

I don't think I have one. So it can't have desires.

But speaking for your own soul: what do you mean when you say "the soul of a person has desires"?

What are the desires of your soul?

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

So essentially having sex with a woman forces you to pay to have sex. AKA, you basically just likened all women into whores/prostitutes because if they get impregnated they require thousands of dollars from man. This is not only wrong but it is also insulting to women and most of the women I know would not agree with you. How about we have some women join in on this argument? I don't see why we(men) get to decide for them, it's THEIR body. They choose what to do with it.

They can do whatever they want with their body. Can't decide what to do the baby's body unless she decides to parent it. And even then, she can't kill it.

So you think men shouldn't have to pay child support?

And women can decide to stop being pregnant, which is choosing to do something with their own body.
Hurrah!

[Jedi8246]

We're not aborting a condition here though. We're aborting a baby.

No we're not.
This is a baby.

This is a zygote.

Learn the difference.

I see no difference.

[Hallistar]

Except you wanted to give the organ to somebody else. The woman never wanted her uterus to be used for a fetus, if she was seeking a pregnancy.

It doesn't matter what someone wants; it's about their actions.

A drunk driver might say that he didn't want to hit a pedestrian, but he still must take responsibility for what he did.

It's all about what people do, not what they want to have happened.

The drunk driver commited a misdemeanor or felony (depending on jurisdiction) by being intoxicated behind the wheel.

[Parpolitic Citizens]

Pretending that the victim has no responsibility is as equally stupid as pretending that they have all the responsibility.

I'm walking down the street and I get mugged.
How da fuq is any of that my fault?
"You were walking down the street, ma'am? Well, sorry, then it's your fault you got mugged since you knew that leaving your house posed a risk, so the police force will not be helping you."

Yes you do hold some of the responsibility, if you were walking down an ill lite street at night in a known area where the odds of getting mugged are high.

I don't walk into a tiger's cage and not consent to the risks involved. Seriously think for second.

[Scotovy]

No we're not.
This is a baby.

This is a zygote.

Learn the difference.

I see no difference.

[Samuraikoku]

I see no difference.

See? Ignoring everything thrown at you, just to say "yes it is" or "no it isn't" statements. This is why you're on my foe list.

[Genivaria]

No we're not.
This is a baby.

This is a zygote.

Learn the difference.

I see no difference.

Then I'd recommend a pair of these.

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

And if she was raped?

Good question. I'm still determine my beliefs in that circumstance.

I was raped on July 17, 2010 by a friend after we went to the movies. I was impregnated and found out three weeks later. I had an abortion because it is my fucking right to not be pregnant, whether or not I was raped.

[Chinese Regions]

what the fuck? Yes it is. Being pregnant is a medical condition.

We're not aborting a condition here though. We're aborting a baby.

No we are aborting a foetus. And by that process we are terminating the condition, the pregnancy.

[Ifreann]

I'm walking down the street and I get mugged.
How da fuq is any of that my fault?
"You were walking down the street, ma'am? Well, sorry, then it's your fault you got mugged since you knew that leaving your house posed a risk, so the police force will not be helping you."

Yes you do hold some of the responsibility, if you were walking down an ill lite street at night in a known area where the odds of getting mugged are high.

Because people never get mugged in low crime areas .

[Swedish Union]

For me its a insane question, all women should of course have the right to do what they want with there body regardless of what religios groups has to say about it.. In Sweden that question is so easy it would be considerd madness to even bring it up. i Thought Turkey was more evolved then this i must say, your membership in EU will always be questioned when then come with this opinions.

[Hallistar]

No we're not.
This is a baby.

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This is a zygote.

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Learn the difference.

I see no difference.

Then perhaps you need a new pair of reading glasses.

[Samuraikoku]

Yes you do hold some of the responsibility, if you were walking down an ill lite street at night in a known area where the odds of getting mugged are high.

I don't walk into a tiger's cage and not consent to the risks involved. Seriously think for second.

Because going in a public area and having a right violated is the same situation as entering a cage with a wild animal that might probably feel threatened and attack me.

Makes sense.

[Parpolitic Citizens]

Can you people not follow logical chain of events?

Can you not follow reality that consenting to sex doesn't mean you are consenting to being pregnant, and that it is technically a byproduct of the genetic material the body receives from the sperm?

If I eat a thousand hamburgers I accept the notion of keeling over from a heart attack.

[Scotovy]

Good question. I'm still determine my beliefs in that circumstance.

I was raped on July 17, 2010 by a friend after we went to the movies. I was impregnated and found out three weeks later. I had an abortion because it is my fucking right to not be pregnant, whether or not I was raped.

Sorry to hear that.

[Christian Democrats]

It doesn't matter what someone wants; it's about their actions.

A drunk driver might say that he didn't want to hit a pedestrian, but he still must take responsibility for what he did.

It's all about what people do, not what they want to have happened.

The drunk driver commited a misdemeanor or felony (depending on jurisdiction) by being intoxicated behind the wheel.

And the woman did not commit a crime, but she did commit an action for which she must be responsible.

The responsible thing for someone pregnant is to give birth. After that, she can decide whether or not she wants the child.

[Hallistar]

Good question. I'm still determine my beliefs in that circumstance.

I was raped on July 17, 2010 by a friend after we went to the movies. I was impregnated and found out three weeks later. I had an abortion because it is my fucking right to not be pregnant, whether or not I was raped.

But obviously your rights can go to hell because you had a gurgling baby inside of you and ITS NOT ANY LESS OF A BABY JUST BECAUSE YOU WERE RAPED!!one.

[Genivaria]

I'm walking down the street and I get mugged.
How da fuq is any of that my fault?
"You were walking down the street, ma'am? Well, sorry, then it's your fault you got mugged since you knew that leaving your house posed a risk, so the police force will not be helping you."

Yes you do hold some of the responsibility, if you were walking down an ill lite street at night in a known area where the odds of getting mugged are high.

I don't walk into a tiger's cage and not consent to the risks involved. Seriously think for second.

Is it possible for either you or the Paulbot to say something that DOESN'T make everyone in the thread face-palm?