Abortion discussion in Turkey

[Genivaria]

Oh, so she allowed the semen to enter and possibly give her Genital Herpes as well. Thus, she should be forced to stick with that std and not have it treated because she consented to it by having sex.

A baby is not a medical condition.

A baby? No. Pregnancy sure as hell is.

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

Oh, so she allowed the semen to enter and possibly give her Genital Herpes as well. Thus, she should be forced to stick with that std and not have it treated because she consented to it by having sex.

A baby is not a medical condition.

what the fuck? Yes it is. Being pregnant is a medical condition.

[Hallistar]

'Donated' implies permission, if a woman wants to get an abortion she obviously is NOT donating.

I can't ask for an organ back that I've donated to someone after transplantation has occurred. The woman can't ask for her uterus back after conception has occurred. She must wait until the child is done using it.

If one consents to go out on the road, one accepts the possibility of getting killed.

There isn't a great possibility of being killed in the road, so one does not consent to that.

Except you wanted to give the organ to somebody else. The woman never wanted her uterus to be used for a fetus, if she was seeking a pregnancy.

[Great Nepal]

'Donated' implies permission, if a woman wants to get an abortion she obviously is NOT donating.

I can't ask for an organ back that I've donated to someone after transplantation has occurred. The woman can't ask for her uterus back after conception has occurred. She must wait until the child is done using it.

Again, when did she sign a written or verbal contract regarding lease of her uterus?

There isn't a great possibility of being killed in the road, so one does not consent to that.

Whats the magical percentage when consent transfers?

[EnragedMaldivians]

Consent to sex =/= consent to pregnancy.
This is not a hard concept, sweetie.
If the fetus originated in a bathtub or a meadow of daisies, sure, it has a right to remain there. But it originates in a woman's body, and has no right to use another person's body against their will, whether or not it will cause harm. No one and nothing has any right to anyone's body ever, for any purpose.

Every woman who allows a penis inside her knows that she may get pregnant. Consent to sex is consent to the possibility of pregnancy.

Not the same as consenting to actually becoming pregnant or carrying to term if she does. What was it you were blabbering about actually thinking things through to avoid posting opinions that are fucking stupid?

[Jedi8246]

Its not irrelevant. Ae you implying that even if you accept humans have the natural right to life, you'd still condone abortion?

Yes.
Because a fetus doesn't get the right to violate a woman's rights.
Do you get the right to violate my rights?
No?
Then neither does a fuckin' fetus.

You don't have the right to kill! It is not a women's right to murder.

[Samuraikoku]

You don't have the right to kill! It is not a women's right to murder.

There is no person, therefore there isn't murder.

[Hallistar]

Every woman who allows a penis inside her knows that she may get pregnant. Consent to sex is consent to the possibility of pregnancy.

Not the same as consenting to actually becoming pregnant or carrying to term if she does. What was it you were blabbering about actually thinking things through to avoid posting opinions that are fucking stupid?

Not even near the same to consenting to paying hundreds of thousands of dollars, delaying your retirement and putting 18 years of your fucking life on hold just because someone thought that consent to sex was consent to pregnancy. Its silly, I know.

[Jedi8246]

A baby is not a medical condition.

what the fuck? Yes it is. Being pregnant is a medical condition.

We're not aborting a condition here though. We're aborting a baby.

[Gideus]

You're shitting me?

... No?

So essentially having sex with a woman forces you to pay to have sex. AKA, you basically just likened all women into whores/prostitutes because if they get impregnated they require thousands of dollars from man. This is not only wrong but it is also insulting to women and most of the women I know would not agree with you. How about we have some women join in on this argument? I don't see why we(men) get to decide for them, it's THEIR body. They choose what to do with it.

[Ifreann]

'Donated' implies permission, if a woman wants to get an abortion she obviously is NOT donating.

I can't ask for an organ back that I've donated to someone after transplantation has occurred. The woman can't ask for her uterus back after conception has occurred. She must wait until the child is done using it.

When you give away your kidney, it ceases being yours. When there is a baby in your uterus, it remains yours.

[Chulainan]

We don't discuss the issue of abortion in Ireland because we all have a phobia about religion in politics i.e. we look over the Atlantic and go "Fuck that shit" and go back to arguing about the economy and our local terrorist factions.

I wish the United States had a secular government like that...

One politician in my nation mention women committing Sodomy and the media almost exploded and the ruling party had too try and say she didn't mean sodomy but something else, she hasn't been in the public eye for a while now...

[Parpolitic Citizens]

No, getting into a car is accepting the risk of life and limb being taken by an accident.

Seriously, give yourself one full minute to process the things you post. Their implications err on the ridiculous at times.

So, by your logic: every victim of every crime has only themselves to blame.
After all, if they chose not to go there - that wouldn't happen?

Pretending that the victim has no responsibility is as equally stupid as pretending that they have all the responsibility.

[Jedi8246]

You don't have the right to kill! It is not a women's right to murder.

There is no person, therefore there isn't murder.

Yes there is,

[Genivaria]

'Donated' implies permission, if a woman wants to get an abortion she obviously is NOT donating.

I can't ask for an organ back that I've donated to someone after transplantation has occurred. The woman can't ask for her uterus back after conception has occurred. She must wait until the child is done using it.

Thats a very dishonest argument your using. You know why? Because the difference between the two is glaringly obvious.
You have to fill out alot paperwork to become an organ donor, you have to make a conscious choice.
You don't do either of those things when you get pregnant.

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

Yes.
Because a fetus doesn't get the right to violate a woman's rights.
Do you get the right to violate my rights?
No?
Then neither does a fuckin' fetus.

You don't have the right to kill! It is not a women's right to murder.

It's a woman's right to protect her body from intruders.
Do you support the right for men to rape women?

[Hallistar]

Yes.
Because a fetus doesn't get the right to violate a woman's rights.
Do you get the right to violate my rights?
No?
Then neither does a fuckin' fetus.

You don't have the right to kill! It is not a women's right to murder.

You mean the illegal termination of a constituent member of a society's already active life?

No, its not your right to screw over a woman just because you think getting rid of a first or second trimester fetus is murder.

[Samuraikoku]

Yes there is,

Once again, prove it. You failed to do it pages ago.

[Ifreann]

what the fuck? Yes it is. Being pregnant is a medical condition.

We're not aborting a condition here though. We're aborting a baby.

You're aborting a pregnancy.

[Chinese Regions]

Thinking is noticeable by bioelectric activity in certain cells if I'm not mistaken. Cells that fetuses lack until well into pregnancy.

The soul of a person has desires.

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

So, by your logic: every victim of every crime has only themselves to blame.
After all, if they chose not to go there - that wouldn't happen?

Pretending that the victim has no responsibility is as equally stupid as pretending that they have all the responsibility.

I'm walking down the street and I get mugged.
How da fuq is any of that my fault?
"You were walking down the street, ma'am? Well, sorry, then it's your fault you got mugged since you knew that leaving your house posed a risk, so the police force will not be helping you."

[Parpolitic Citizens]

Every woman who allows a penis inside her knows that she may get pregnant. Consent to sex is consent to the possibility of pregnancy.

Not the same as consenting to actually becoming pregnant or carrying to term if she does. What was it you were blabbering about actually thinking things through to avoid posting opinions that are fucking stupid?

Can you people not follow logical chain of events?

[Chinese Regions]

'Donated' implies permission, if a woman wants to get an abortion she obviously is NOT donating.

She gave permission when she had sex.

And if she was raped?

[Jedi8246]

... No?

So essentially having sex with a woman forces you to pay to have sex. AKA, you basically just likened all women into whores/prostitutes because if they get impregnated they require thousands of dollars from man. This is not only wrong but it is also insulting to women and most of the women I know would not agree with you. How about we have some women join in on this argument? I don't see why we(men) get to decide for them, it's THEIR body. They choose what to do with it.

They can do whatever they want with their body. Can't decide what to do the baby's body unless she decides to parent it. And even then, she can't kill it.

So you think men shouldn't have to pay child support?

[Hallistar]

So, by your logic: every victim of every crime has only themselves to blame.
After all, if they chose not to go there - that wouldn't happen?

Pretending that the victim has no responsibility is as equally stupid as pretending that they have all the responsibility.

How is it equally as stupid? If you were shot in a drive by, are you in any way at fault?