Abortion discussion in Turkey

[Genivaria]

Burden of Proof is on you.

He has escaped every confrontation to Burden of Proof. He's not worth debating.

Should I put him on the ignore list?

[Christian Democrats]

'Donated' implies permission, if a woman wants to get an abortion she obviously is NOT donating.

She gave permission when she had sex.

. . . just like the man gives consent to child support when he has sex.

[Samuraikoku]

He has escaped every confrontation to Burden of Proof. He's not worth debating.

Should I put him on the ignore list?

Yes.

[Jedi8246]

She gave permission when she had sex.

No she didn't. She gave permission for someone to have sex with her, nothing else.

She allowed semen to enter and possibly impregnate. And no such thing as 100% protection.

[Hallistar]

Lots of people have said that.

Show me.

For the record, I did explain that 'rights' are an abstract concept and physically are not something that nature gives you, but even then the whole 'natural rights' argument is irrelevant to this.

[EnragedMaldivians]

Probably because the fact that it's another country doesn't mean it's not the exact same issue....

probably

but since abortion is only legal to 10 weeks its not the same issue that we have in the US.

then there is the whole very interesting cesearean delivery thing. thats quite a different issue.

All to do with a womans bodily autonomy.

[Jedi8246]

She gave permission when she had sex.

. . . just like the man gives consent to child support when he has sex.

Quite correct.

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

Then getting in a car is consent to getting in a wreck and therefore people in wrecks deserve no medical attention.

They accept the possibility of getting into a wreck. They can't decide to kill the person who caused the crash.

You're a bit backwards. The people within the vehicles = the people having sex
The crash = the pregnancy
What you are suggesting is killing the spouse.
Derp

[Genivaria]

She gave permission when she had sex.

. . . just like the man gives consent to child support when he has sex.

An equally absurd notion.

[Scotovy]

Show me.

For the record, I did explain that 'rights' are an abstract concept and physically are not something that nature gives you, but even then the whole 'natural rights' argument is irrelevant to this.

I missed that, but you're right.

[Hallistar]

No she didn't. She gave permission for someone to have sex with her, nothing else.

She allowed semen to enter and possibly impregnate. And no such thing as 100% protection.

Oh, so she allowed the semen to enter and possibly give her Genital Herpes as well. Thus, she should be forced to stick with that std and not have it treated because she consented to it by having sex.

[Parpolitic Citizens]

Every woman who allows a penis inside her knows that she may get pregnant. Consent to sex is consent to the possibility of pregnancy.

Then getting in a car is consent to getting in a wreck and therefore people in wrecks deserve no medical attention.

No, getting into a car is accepting the risk of life and limb being taken by an accident.

Seriously, give yourself one full minute to process the things you post. Their implications err on the ridiculous at times.

[Ashmoria]

Of course abortion is an issue outside of the US! In most countries there are pro-life and pro-choice positions. In Colombia for example, even with more than three quarters of the population being against abortion, the Supreme Court decided to make it legal. The country's largest political parties are against abortion (Conservatives and the National Unity Party). Most of the other parties are pro-choice (Liberals, Democratic Pole, Greens).

The last pro-choice president left in 1998, but any other president has been able to make it illegal again. Not even the congress has been able to do so, as a minority in the National Unity Party is pro-choice. That's why abortion is becoming one of the main concerns of the conservative party.

interesting...

so since the vast majority of people in colombia are against abortion it must be quite rare in your country.

perhpas limited to true tragedies where the women really have no other choice.

[Jedi8246]

Show me.

For the record, I did explain that 'rights' are an abstract concept and physically are not something that nature gives you, but even then the whole 'natural rights' argument is irrelevant to this.

Its not irrelevant. Ae you implying that even if you accept humans have the natural right to life, you'd still condone abortion?

[Scotovy]

. . . just like the man gives consent to child support when he has sex.

Quite correct.

You're shitting me?

[Christian Democrats]

They belong to the child for the duration of pregnancy. The woman has donated her uterus to the child.

'Donated' implies permission, if a woman wants to get an abortion she obviously is NOT donating.

I can't ask for an organ back that I've donated to someone after transplantation has occurred. The woman can't ask for her uterus back after conception has occurred. She must wait until the child is done using it.

If one consents to Russian roulette, one accepts the possibility of being shot.
If one consents to vaginal intercourse, one accepts the possibility of becoming pregnant.

If one consents to go out on the road, one accepts the possibility of getting killed.

There isn't a great possibility of being killed in the road, so one does not consent to that.

[New Rogernomics]

No she didn't. She gave permission for someone to have sex with her, nothing else.

She allowed semen to enter and possibly impregnate. And no such thing as 100% protection.

Yes there is, its called terminating the pregnancy.

[Jedi8246]

She allowed semen to enter and possibly impregnate. And no such thing as 100% protection.

Oh, so she allowed the semen to enter and possibly give her Genital Herpes as well. Thus, she should be forced to stick with that std and not have it treated because she consented to it by having sex.

A baby is not a medical condition.

[Great Nepal]

Then getting in a car is consent to getting in a wreck and therefore people in wrecks deserve no medical attention.

No, getting into a car is accepting the risk of life and limb being taken by an accident.

Seriously, give yourself one full minute to process the things you post. Their implications err on the ridiculous at times.

So, by your logic: every victim of every crime has only themselves to blame.
After all, if they chose not to go there - that wouldn't happen?

[Chulainan]

Enjoying us westerners take the rip out of each other are you

Very sly

It's actually good to know that we Turkish people are not the only one discussing this issue.

We don't discuss the issue of abortion in Ireland because we all have a phobia about religion in politics i.e. we look over the Atlantic and go "Fuck that shit" and go back to arguing about the economy and our local terrorist factions.

[Samuraikoku]

Then getting in a car is consent to getting in a wreck and therefore people in wrecks deserve no medical attention.

No, getting into a car is accepting the risk of life and limb being taken by an accident.

Seriously, give yourself one full minute to process the things you post. Their implications err on the ridiculous at times.

Kinda ironic seeing who this comes from.

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

For the record, I did explain that 'rights' are an abstract concept and physically are not something that nature gives you, but even then the whole 'natural rights' argument is irrelevant to this.

Its not irrelevant. Ae you implying that even if you accept humans have the natural right to life, you'd still condone abortion?

Yes.
Because a fetus doesn't get the right to violate a woman's rights.
Do you get the right to violate my rights?
No?
Then neither does a fuckin' fetus.

[Gideus]

It's actually good to know that we Turkish people are not the only one discussing this issue.

We don't discuss the issue of abortion in Ireland because we all have a phobia about religion in politics i.e. we look over the Atlantic and go "Fuck that shit" and go back to arguing about the economy and our local terrorist factions.

I wish the United States had a secular government like that...

[Scotovy]

For the record, I did explain that 'rights' are an abstract concept and physically are not something that nature gives you, but even then the whole 'natural rights' argument is irrelevant to this.

Its not irrelevant. Ae you implying that even if you accept humans have the natural right to life, you'd still condone abortion?

Who said we condone abortions?

[Jedi8246]

Quite correct.

You're shitting me?

... No?