Abortion discussion in Turkey

[Napkiraly]

Brain function doesn't start until right around the beginning of the third trimester, iirc. So basically you can strongly argue that fetuses can't think until then, thus making them not human as they are not self-aware/have no brain function at all.

Apparently facts like this make one sickening and laughable, according to Jedi here. We're supposed to blindly think of all fetuses as similar to gurgling babies.

Can I get a social degenerate badge, for my sickening and laughable facts?

[Chinese Regions]

Do jellyfish have thoughts?
Do sea sponges have thoughts?

Maybe.

Why do you think that?
'cause their animals is not an answer

[AiliailiA]

Abortion is a modern time holocaust.

Yep. The women. They are just like the Nazis.

To arms, men! We will charge their lines, and if that doesn't work, we will bombard them with artillery.
And if that doesn't work, we will bomb them from the air. We will deprive them of water, oil, housing and their factories.
We will smash their army and burn their cities, and never again let their name be spoken, but that we voice our hatred for them and all that they stand for.

They're nazis! Killing our babies! Defend the babies! Kill the women! Do it now!

Yeah, just a bit of sarcasm there.

[Scotovy]

I'm amazed that calling those who get an abortion as taking part in a holocaust, or asking for proof that you can't think without a brain do not count as the most ridiculous post.

It is genocide. Killing a select group of people in mass.

Yeah, because only a certain ethnic group have abortions and also by the millions.

[Hallistar]

In what way.....

Comparing the abortion debate to undoing the whole women's rights movement.

Yep, absolutely nothing ridiculous about equating women who get a legal abortion to being an SS footsoldier. /sarcasm

[Jedi8246]

Maybe.

Why do you think that?
'cause their animals is not an answer

Yes it is.

[Wamitoria]

You sir, win the most ridiculous post of this thread award.

In what way.....

I suppose he believes that criminalizing abortion wouldn't lead to witch hunts and spying on women while they are pregnant like it was in Romania.

[Chinese Regions]

Why do you think that?
'cause their animals is not an answer

Yes it is.

Why? What do sea sponges use to think?

[Jedi8246]

Comparing the abortion debate to undoing the whole women's rights movement.

Yep, absolutely nothing ridiculous about equating women who get a legal abortion to being an SS footsoldier. /sarcasm

It was legal for the SS to kill the Jews according to Nazi law.

[Jedi8246]

Yes it is.

Why? What do sea sponges use to think?

I don't know. I don't think they do think.

[Parpolitic Citizens]

One might reason the 90% of those with down syndrome aborted as a genocide.

God fucking dammit.

GENOCIDE:
noun
the deliberate and systematic extermination of a national, racial, political, or cultural group.

Below are images of genocide.

You spit on the graves of those who are victims of hate and oppression when you make comparisons like this.

Stop throwing the words "genocide" and "holocaust" around to justify your own fucking prejudices.

What would you call the killing of 90% of a group? Bisexuals are not classified as a national, racial, political, or cultural group. What would you call it if Iran killed off 90% of bisexuals simply for being bisexuals.

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

Yes it is.

Why? What do sea sponges use to think?

WAIT, WAIT, I KNOW THE CORRECT RESPONSE.

Spongebob.

[Chinese Regions]

Why? What do sea sponges use to think?

I don't know. I don't think they do think.

Oh so you're contradicting yourself now?
So does every single animals think?

[Scotovy]

Yep, absolutely nothing ridiculous about equating women who get a legal abortion to being an SS footsoldier. /sarcasm

It was legal for the SS to kill the Jews according to Nazi law.

The SS is gone and women who get abortions aren't SS soldiers.

[Jedi8246]

God fucking dammit.



Below are images of genocide.

You spit on the graves of those who are victims of hate and oppression when you make comparisons like this.

Stop throwing the words "genocide" and "holocaust" around to justify your own fucking prejudices.

What would you call the killing of 90% of a group? Bisexuals are not classified as a national, racial, political, or cultural group. What would you call it if Iran killed off 90% of bisexuals simply for being bisexuals.

Baby's sexuality is determined at conception, as well as all their other features.

[Chinese Regions]

Why? What do sea sponges use to think?

WAIT, WAIT, I KNOW THE CORRECT RESPONSE.

Spongebob.

That sponge can think

[Hallistar]

Yep, absolutely nothing ridiculous about equating women who get a legal abortion to being an SS footsoldier. /sarcasm

It was legal for the SS to kill the Jews according to Nazi law.

You mean Jewish men women and children? Who were scared for their lives? Who suffered and were gassed or shot with bullets? Who were loaded on to trains?

If you seriously agree that a woman who gets an elective abortion at 4 weeks is in any way taking part in a holocaust, you're the one whose sickening by disrespecting those who died in it.

[Wamitoria]

What would you call the killing of 90% of a group? Bisexuals are not classified as a national, racial, political, or cultural group. What would you call it if Iran killed off 90% of bisexuals simply for being bisexuals.

Aborting fetuses with mental disabilities during the first trimester, thus preventing them from ever reaching life, is much better than letting them be raised by a parent who neither wants nor is able to afford to take care of them.

And, once again, fetuses aren't alive. Bisexual Iranians (presumably) are.

[Jedi8246]

I don't know. I don't think they do think.

Oh so you're contradicting yourself now?
So does every single animals think?

No I'm not. It's saying they could think, not that I believe they do.

I don't think so. But they could. Who knows.

[Hallistar]

Why? What do sea sponges use to think?

WAIT, WAIT, I KNOW THE CORRECT RESPONSE.

Spongebob.

Besides...you can't actually tell me that sponges can't think. You..you sickening laughable Nazi storm trooper you.

[Wamitoria]

Baby's sexuality is determined at conception, as well as all their other features.

Is there a dedicated 'appeal to emotion' button on your computer?

[Scotovy]

Oh so you're contradicting yourself now?
So does every single animals think?

No I'm not. It's saying they could think, not that I believe they do.

I don't think so. But they could. Who knows.

Denial.

[Jedi8246]

It was legal for the SS to kill the Jews according to Nazi law.

You mean Jewish men women and children? Who were scared for their lives? Who suffered and were gassed or shot with bullets? Who were loaded on to trains?

If you seriously agree that a woman who gets an elective abortion at 4 weeks is in any way taking part in a holocaust, you're the one whose sickening by disrespecting those who died in it.

You disrespect life with your bigoted views. You should be happy your parents didn't decide to abort you.

[Chinese Regions]

Oh so you're contradicting yourself now?
So does every single animals think?

No I'm not. It's saying they could think, not that I believe they do.

I don't think so. But they could. Who knows.

Do plants think?
Are you that crap at simple biology?

[Gideus]

So physically disabled people are not people?

I really want to ask that question too!
What actually makes a mother kill her own child? It's heartbreaking.
Abortion is a modern time holocaust.

I am offended by that.

I am a Reform Jew, as well as being descended from Eastern European Gypsies, and I had family who had to live through the Holocaust. Likening something as minor as abortion, the termination of an unwanted mass of cells, to the wanton slaughter/genocide of Jews, Homosexuals, Gypsies, Blacks, Asians, etc. is a remarkably ignorant act. Also, I am abhorred that some of you can not see what the person likening a fetus to a kidney is saying. Let me spell it out.

The fetus can not survive without support from the mother's body. Say you need a kidney transplant. You can not survive without it. Is the person obliged to give you said kidney? No. How are they then obliged to give their body to the fetus to survive?

I do not hate babies. I have a baby brother, and I love them, yet a fetus is NOT a baby. It has the potential to be a baby. However, by this logic, consuming proteins is murder. A protein is made up of amino acids, and these amino acids occur naturally in an environment with hydration, oxygen, and correct temperatures. These amino acids have the chance to form into bacteria and whatnot, and slowly become us. Humans. It takes billions of years, but it could/would/does happen. So, by consuming said amino acids, do we destroy the chance of life evolving?

Some of this may seem like ranting, but the thing is, a fetus is just a growth of cells that is completely reliant on the mother. The growth of cells is in the mother's body. Half of its DNA is shared with the mother. The structure is completely made up of nutrients that the MOTHER obtained. The fetus requires nutrients and whatnot from the mother - and it requires the use of the mother's womb(or whatever other body part, not sure if that's the right one) without her consent. Birth control doesn't always work, she may have been raped, etc. She shouldn't be forced to keep a fetus that will develop into a baby without her consent. If she wants to keep it, she can. But if she doesn't she can get rid of it. I wish you'd stop appealing to emotions and start using facts. The fetus is completely unrecognizable as a human until a large percentage of the way through pregnancy.

Also, if removing an abortion is equivalent to murder, how about what we do in other countries? You know what we did in the Gulf War? How many civilians died? I guess that all of those dead civilians who posed no threat are equivalent to a lot of abortions...