Would you kill an intruder?

[Samuraikoku]

Which is an immoral and barbaric principle. Violence is absolutely never justified.

You'd rather not have to use violence, but that doesn't mean you can't use it, given the right circumstances and a measured response (sure, if they're coming with a knife I shouldn't blow their brains out).

[Ifreann]

A few things. To start off, I would kill the intruder. Hands down. It's tantamount to a once in a life time opportunity.

You should consult a mental health professional about this desire you have to kill someone and get away with it, for your own safety and the safety of those around you.

[United States of PA]

There is no such thing.

Yes there is, if someone comes into my house for the express purpose of killing me (Lets face it, most burglars are unarmed except maybe a crowbar to get the window/door open, and bolt as soon as the alarm sounds or you show your head) and is armed to do so, i will kill him before he kills me. Thats the way of life. People die, some before others. Im not going to bend over and let him bash my head in or whatnot just to live up to the silly ideal of "Pacifism".

I used to think as you do, but then I got out in the real world and realized that a naive and fantasy-land viewpoint such as yours is not tenable.

I think you have things backward. You live in the fantasy world where violence should never happen, and that if it does you can solve it by holding hands and singing HALLELUJAH PRAISE THE LORD or whatever you say.

One does not destroy hate via acts of hatred towards the haters.

No, but it sure does solve the immediate issue, and perhaps the foreseeable future of them. Since ya know, if someone dies because they broke into your house with a weapon, other folks will know not to go near you.

[Radioactive Ohio]

I would make sure that he isn't drunk. If he is armed at all, I would shoot him in a limb and if he continues I would shoot the final shot. I have a license to kill on my property and I don't really want to use it.

[Raeyh]

No, but it sure does solve the immediate issue, and perhaps the foreseeable future of them. Since ya know, if someone dies because they broke into your house with a weapon, other folks will know not to go near you.

Either that or all his friends will come armed with their own weapons and corner you in some dark alley.

[United States of PA]

No, but it sure does solve the immediate issue, and perhaps the foreseeable future of them. Since ya know, if someone dies because they broke into your house with a weapon, other folks will know not to go near you.

Either that or all his friends will come armed with their own weapons and corner you in some dark alley.

With the exception of major gangs, few groups have the guts to do so. And if that does become a issue, than i'll attain a concealed carry permit and/or contact the police and let them deal with it.

[Gun Manufacturers]

I'd just like to point out, the Cheshire home invasion started out as a robbery. Three people ended up being murdered and one escaped with head trauma, and the perpetrators had never previously been convicted of a violent crime.

That's why I would shoot to kill.

[Spiritwolf]

Castle Doctrine (The very basis of this thread) specifically states that if someone is in your house (some places may be extended to your whole property as well) you have the right to respond, fatally if needed.

Which is an immoral and barbaric principle. Violence is absolutely never justified.

A young woman was woken up in her bed by an attacker in the middle of the night (he had broken in, silently enough that he was not detected). This attacker then ripped the covers off and stripped her as she struggled to defend herself and proceeded to REPEATEDLY rape and sodomize her for a period of hours........... He then got up from the blood and semen covered bed and left the bedroom, the only real problem here is that instead of heading to the front door to leave HE HEADED DOWN THE HALL TOWARDS THE YOUNG WOMANS DAUGHTERS ROOM............ The beaten, battered, and bleeding young woman felt a surge of pure terror and leaped up to defend her daughter, grabbing the only weapon she could find to do so (a pair of scissors on in the dresser drawer). She ran down the hall and flung herself on the attacker stabbing him REPEATEDLY until he was dead (one stab hit his heart and he bled out). Her daughter, amazingly enough, never woke up during this entire event and was unharmed. The Police determined that the young woman had done what she needed to do to protect her life and the life of her child and she was not charged with any crime. The attackers corpse was taken to the morgue for processing and his crimes and identity were made public. VIOLENCE IS JUSTIFIED IN THIS CASE TO DEFEND LIFE. If you disagree, tell it to the little girl who slept peacefully because her mother saved her life..........

[Farnhamia]

Which is an immoral and barbaric principle. Violence is absolutely never justified.

A young woman was woken up in her bed by an attacker in the middle of the night (he had broken in, silently enough that he was not detected). This attacker then ripped the covers off and stripped her as she struggled to defend herself and proceeded to REPEATEDLY rape and sodomize her for a period of hours........... He then got up from the blood and semen covered bed and left the bedroom, the only real problem here is that instead of heading to the front door to leave HE HEADED DOWN THE HALL TOWARDS THE YOUNG WOMANS DAUGHTERS ROOM............ The beaten, battered, and bleeding young woman felt a surge of pure terror and leaped up to defend her daughter, grabbing the only weapon she could find to do so (a pair of scissors on in the dresser drawer). She ran down the hall and flung herself on the attacker stabbing him REPEATEDLY until he was dead (one stab hit his heart and he bled out). Her daughter, amazingly enough, never woke up during this entire event and was unharmed. The Police determined that the young woman had done what she needed to do to protect her life and the life of her child and she was not charged with any crime. The attackers corpse was taken to the morgue for processing and his crimes and identity were made public. VIOLENCE IS JUSTIFIED IN THIS CASE TO DEFEND LIFE. If you disagree, tell it to the little girl who slept peacefully because her mother saved her life..........

It's amazing how far you moved those goalposts all by yourself. The OP specifically says that the intruder in question is a thief, not a rapist.

[United States of PA]

A young woman was woken up in her bed by an attacker in the middle of the night (he had broken in, silently enough that he was not detected). This attacker then ripped the covers off and stripped her as she struggled to defend herself and proceeded to REPEATEDLY rape and sodomize her for a period of hours........... He then got up from the blood and semen covered bed and left the bedroom, the only real problem here is that instead of heading to the front door to leave HE HEADED DOWN THE HALL TOWARDS THE YOUNG WOMANS DAUGHTERS ROOM............ The beaten, battered, and bleeding young woman felt a surge of pure terror and leaped up to defend her daughter, grabbing the only weapon she could find to do so (a pair of scissors on in the dresser drawer). She ran down the hall and flung herself on the attacker stabbing him REPEATEDLY until he was dead (one stab hit his heart and he bled out). Her daughter, amazingly enough, never woke up during this entire event and was unharmed. The Police determined that the young woman had done what she needed to do to protect her life and the life of her child and she was not charged with any crime. The attackers corpse was taken to the morgue for processing and his crimes and identity were made public. VIOLENCE IS JUSTIFIED IN THIS CASE TO DEFEND LIFE. If you disagree, tell it to the little girl who slept peacefully because her mother saved her life..........

It's amazing how far you moved those goalposts all by yourself. The OP specifically says that the intruder in question is a thief, not a rapist.

Obviously you also missed the post above that one as well.

[Skibereen]

A young woman was woken up in her bed by an attacker in the middle of the night (he had broken in, silently enough that he was not detected). This attacker then ripped the covers off and stripped her as she struggled to defend herself and proceeded to REPEATEDLY rape and sodomize her for a period of hours........... He then got up from the blood and semen covered bed and left the bedroom, the only real problem here is that instead of heading to the front door to leave HE HEADED DOWN THE HALL TOWARDS THE YOUNG WOMANS DAUGHTERS ROOM............ The beaten, battered, and bleeding young woman felt a surge of pure terror and leaped up to defend her daughter, grabbing the only weapon she could find to do so (a pair of scissors on in the dresser drawer). She ran down the hall and flung herself on the attacker stabbing him REPEATEDLY until he was dead (one stab hit his heart and he bled out). Her daughter, amazingly enough, never woke up during this entire event and was unharmed. The Police determined that the young woman had done what she needed to do to protect her life and the life of her child and she was not charged with any crime. The attackers corpse was taken to the morgue for processing and his crimes and identity were made public. VIOLENCE IS JUSTIFIED IN THIS CASE TO DEFEND LIFE. If you disagree, tell it to the little girl who slept peacefully because her mother saved her life..........

It's amazing how far you moved those goalposts all by yourself. The OP specifically says that the intruder in question is a thief, not a rapist.

" Assuming the robber is dangerous-you don't know if he really wants to kill you or just harm you but nevertheless you must decide what to do.Do you shoot to kill?,Do you shoot to wound?, or you just let him strip your house to the walls?
Remember he is armed and poses a threat."

The OP CLEARLY states you dont know.
I defer to my life in my house being more important to me, than the intruders. You gamble with yours.
He would be gambling with his.

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With regards to what the OP actually says, I dont wait to discover his total intentions.
I kill him. Green Light means Go.

[Spiritwolf]

A young woman was woken up in her bed by an attacker in the middle of the night (he had broken in, silently enough that he was not detected). This attacker then ripped the covers off and stripped her as she struggled to defend herself and proceeded to REPEATEDLY rape and sodomize her for a period of hours........... He then got up from the blood and semen covered bed and left the bedroom, the only real problem here is that instead of heading to the front door to leave HE HEADED DOWN THE HALL TOWARDS THE YOUNG WOMANS DAUGHTERS ROOM............ The beaten, battered, and bleeding young woman felt a surge of pure terror and leaped up to defend her daughter, grabbing the only weapon she could find to do so (a pair of scissors on in the dresser drawer). She ran down the hall and flung herself on the attacker stabbing him REPEATEDLY until he was dead (one stab hit his heart and he bled out). Her daughter, amazingly enough, never woke up during this entire event and was unharmed. The Police determined that the young woman had done what she needed to do to protect her life and the life of her child and she was not charged with any crime. The attackers corpse was taken to the morgue for processing and his crimes and identity were made public. VIOLENCE IS JUSTIFIED IN THIS CASE TO DEFEND LIFE. If you disagree, tell it to the little girl who slept peacefully because her mother saved her life..........

It's amazing how far you moved those goalposts all by yourself. The OP specifically says that the intruder in question is a thief, not a rapist.

Tell ya what Farnhamia.......... I will meet you half way here. YOU wait and see if the ARMED INTRUDER is gonna grab your goods or turn YOU into a BUTT MONKEY......... I'll just watch and munch popcorn on the couch while he does it, fair enough? You happy now?

[Angermanland]

conclusion?

extremist positions are generally stupid.

exceptions are very very rare.

[Cromarty]

Castle Doctrine

Is a complex legal concept that varies in it's application.

Do not try to paint it as a single absolute standard thing, as it varies from state to state. Indeed, outside of the 40 or so US states that have castle/stand your ground laws (including Florida, and we all know how that ends), just England, Italy and Israel have partial castle laws.

[Blue Stripe Generic Nation]

I keep my personal loaded and under my matress. Nobody comes in my house uninvited.
(And no, I don't have kids. If I did, I might do things differently.)

[Samozaryadnyastan]

People worked hard to provide me with the money used, in some cases myself, to purchase my possessions.
Of course I'll defend them, and if it results in his death, well that's too bad.

Also, he might try and attack me.

Castle Doctrine

Is a complex legal concept that varies in it's application.

Do not try to paint it as a single absolute standard thing, as it varies from state to state. Indeed, outside of the 40 or so US states that have castle/stand your ground laws (including Florida, and we all know how that ends), just England, Italy and Israel have partial castle laws.

Funnily enough, being inside your house in England and brandishing a knife at people outside the house is a criminal offence.
We have castle laws? Impossibru.

[Farnhamia]

It's amazing how far you moved those goalposts all by yourself. The OP specifically says that the intruder in question is a thief, not a rapist.

Tell ya what Farnhamia.......... I will meet you half way here. YOU wait and see if the ARMED INTRUDER is gonna grab your goods or turn YOU into a BUTT MONKEY......... I'll just watch and munch popcorn on the couch while he does it, fair enough? You happy now?

Why do you think SHOUTING adds to your argument?

The OP talks about a robber. You seem to think a rapist is the same. You're wrong. I would also submit that you and the others who would not even hesitate to dispatch an intruder are little more than internet tough guys who have never been in such a situation and so can't begin to know what they would or would not do. As we used to say when I was a kid, all loincloth, no aurochs.

[Hammurab]

As we used to say when I was a kid, all loincloth, no aurochs.

Hah!

[Skibereen]

Tell ya what Farnhamia.......... I will meet you half way here. YOU wait and see if the ARMED INTRUDER is gonna grab your goods or turn YOU into a BUTT MONKEY......... I'll just watch and munch popcorn on the couch while he does it, fair enough? You happy now?

Why do you think SHOUTING adds to your argument?

The OP talks about a robber. You seem to think a rapist is the same. You're wrong. I would also submit that you and the others who would not even hesitate to dispatch an intruder are little more than internet tough guys who have never been in such a situation and so can't begin to know what they would or would not do. As we used to say when I was a kid, all loincloth, no aurochs.

Again, the OP expressly states 1. they are a threat and 2. you do not know their intentions

As for being an internet toughguy, this is the typical claim of someone hiding behind a keyboard themselves.

I have 4 children. I also know very well what it takes to use deadly force, and if you come in my home uninvited where my children sleep, you might not die-- but it will not be because I didnt do absolutely everything in my power to kill you. I resent the fact the OP requires a firearm to be involved.
No toughguy required.

As we used to say when we were young "Youve got a shotgun mouth attached to a BB gun ass."

[Wolfine]

If they were a threat, mabye. If I could I'd just disable them by shooting them in the leg or something. If they have a gun I'm shooting head. :I

[Spiritwolf]

Tell ya what Farnhamia.......... I will meet you half way here. YOU wait and see if the ARMED INTRUDER is gonna grab your goods or turn YOU into a BUTT MONKEY......... I'll just watch and munch popcorn on the couch while he does it, fair enough? You happy now?

Why do you think SHOUTING adds to your argument?

The OP talks about a robber. You seem to think a rapist is the same. You're wrong. I would also submit that you and the others who would not even hesitate to dispatch an intruder are little more than internet tough guys who have never been in such a situation and so can't begin to know what they would or would not do. As we used to say when I was a kid, all loincloth, no aurochs.

United States Marine Corps here............... 'nuff said.

[Genivaria]

If they were a threat, mabye. If I could I'd just disable them by shooting them in the leg or something. If they have a gun I'm shooting head. :I

I assure you that in the time it takes you to asses whether he has a weapon or not he will have shot you.

[Isointania]

I would kill the intruder because, well, really you don't know till you are in that situation.

[Hammurab]

Why do you think SHOUTING adds to your argument?

The OP talks about a robber. You seem to think a rapist is the same. You're wrong. I would also submit that you and the others who would not even hesitate to dispatch an intruder are little more than internet tough guys who have never been in such a situation and so can't begin to know what they would or would not do. As we used to say when I was a kid, all loincloth, no aurochs.

United States Marine Corps here............... 'nuff said.

Now I'm kind of less interested in hoping my boy will decide to join the Marines.

Do they all sound like you?

[Farnhamia]

Why do you think SHOUTING adds to your argument?

The OP talks about a robber. You seem to think a rapist is the same. You're wrong. I would also submit that you and the others who would not even hesitate to dispatch an intruder are little more than internet tough guys who have never been in such a situation and so can't begin to know what they would or would not do. As we used to say when I was a kid, all loincloth, no aurochs.

Again, the OP expressly states 1. they are a threat and 2. you do not know their intentions

As for being an internet toughguy, this is the typical claim of someone hiding behind a keyboard themselves.

I have 4 children. I also know very well what it takes to use deadly force, and if you come in my home uninvited where my children sleep, you might not die-- but it will not be because I didnt do absolutely everything in my power to kill you. I resent the fact the OP requires a firearm to be involved.
No toughguy required.

Let's look at the OP, shall we?

Castle laws have been in many states for years now, as we all know. Also the general answer you will get from cops about if you should shoot to kill is "kill them, they cant sue if they are dead"
So, here is the scenario. You live in a state where it is legal to shoot and/or kill a tresspasser. One day a robber breaks into your house and starts stripping it to the walls. You notice the robber also has a large knife.
You have a gun. Assuming the robber is dangerous-you don't know if he really wants to kill you or just harm you but nevertheless you must decide what to do.Do you shoot to kill?,Do you shoot to wound?, or you just let him strip your house to the walls?
Remember he is armed and poses a threat. He is also trying to steal everything you ever owned for the express purpose of getting money illegaly through your own hardwork.
Personally, id probably shoot to kill if I really have to but that is my own opinion.

The robber is armed with a knife but is busily "stripping it to the walls" and has not sought out you or your family ("stripping it to the walls" is rather far-fetched, frankly, since most burglars are interested in what they can get out of the house with in as little time as possible, but we'll let that go). I find the later statement, "Remember he is armed and poses a threat" inconsistent with the beginning of the scenario, because while occupied in crime, the robber is not really a threat. You can certainly lock yourself and your loved ones away and call the authorities.

If someone invaded my home and attacked me or mine, I would absolutely try to defend myself. Some states have laws allowing me to use more or less force in doing so. "All hat, no cattle" comes in when we have people saying they would kill the person if male, capture and torture them if female, and any of the other variations of macho-man toughness we've seen on display. Equating the robbery scenario in the OP to a violent rape is goalpost moving, nothing less.