Would you kill an intruder?

[Genivaria]

That is a convenient take for someone who is looking for an excuse to blow someone away. Why not just kill them because you're a stone cold badass and you have the right to revoke anyone's life at any time? Why do you need to couch it in philosophical terms and get our approval for your execution plans?

You honestly don't see the difference between shooting a random person and shooting a man who has broken into your home with a weapon?

If a stranger is in my home with a weapon then he gets one vocal warning to drop the weapon before I blow him away.

[Ifreann]

Shooting at a limb is goofily whimsical, and nonsensical. It would be less likely to disable them, and significantly more likely to miss.

That depends on where you aim. It's not very difficult to hit a thigh for example. Average person also drops from that, if not, just repeat the process for the other leg.

Yes, nothing disables people non-lethally like shooting at the femoral artery in their thigh.

[The UEG-Space Command]

Depends on if I aim to kill or just aim to disarm or mostly aim to shoot the fucker.

[Trotskylvania]

Unless he's threatening me, no.

Warning shot to tell him I mean business and then tell him to get the fuck out of my house.

If he doesn't comply, then it's time to put him down.

[The Reliquary]

You honestly don't see the difference between shooting a random person and shooting a man who has broken into your home with a weapon?

If a stranger is in my home with a weapon then he gets one vocal warning to drop the weapon before I blow him away.

So you view your TV as part of yourself? Because he's more interested in the TV than you, and if you claim self defence that's what you imply.

[Genivaria]

Depends on if I aim to kill or just aim to disarm or mostly aim to shoot the fucker.

Dude, if you are pointing a gun at someone in the first place then you better be ready to kill.
Guns aren't toys that only kill if you shoot em in the head.
No matter where you shoot them there's a chance that they go into shock and die, perhaps you hit an artery and they bleed to death?

[Augarundus]

Yes, were it the necessary amount of defensive force required to secure property rights.

[Trotskylvania]

If a stranger is in my home with a weapon then he gets one vocal warning to drop the weapon before I blow him away.

So you view your TV as part of yourself? Because he's more interested in the TV than you, and if you claim self defence that's what you imply.

If you tell someone, at gunpoint, to get the fuck out of your house, and they don't comply, then you better be willing to pull the trigger. Because either he thinks you're bluffing or he's psychotic. Neither are good for your safety.

[Choronzon]

Yes. Once he breaks into my dwelling and violates my rights, his life is forfeit.

[Genivaria]

If a stranger is in my home with a weapon then he gets one vocal warning to drop the weapon before I blow him away.

So you view your TV as part of yourself? Because he's more interested in the TV than you, and if you claim self defence that's what you imply.

Ok perhaps English isn't your first language so you might have missed this.
HE. HAS. A. WEAPON.
Meaning he plans to hurt or kill the inhabitants of the house he just broke into.

[Trotskylvania]

Yes. Once he breaks into my dwelling and violates my rights, his life is forfeit.

Legally, no. That sort of attitude can get you into a world of trouble. Reasonable fear for your life is an almost universal requirement for the use of lethal force in self-defence.

[Genivaria]

Yes. Once he breaks into my dwelling and violates my rights, his life is forfeit.

Legally, no. That sort of attitude can get you into a world of trouble. Reasonable fear for your life is an almost universal requirement for the use of lethal force in self-defence.

Which is why most times I'll go for the bat instead of the gun.
A bat can be used to merely injure as well as kill, a gun almost always kills.

[Trotskylvania]

Legally, no. That sort of attitude can get you into a world of trouble. Reasonable fear for your life is an almost universal requirement for the use of lethal force in self-defence.

Which is why most times I'll go for the bat instead of the gun.
A bat can be used to merely injure as well as kill, a gun almost always kills.

Well, the threat of death is much higher without immediate medical attention, but the survival rate for gunshot victims in First World countries is actually pretty high. Unless they're shot in the central nervous system or the heart, the average person has about a 90 percent chance of survival if given immediate medical attention (like calling paramedics, and giving basic first aid to slow bleeding until they arrive.)

[Occupied Deutschland]

Which is why most times I'll go for the bat instead of the gun.
A bat can be used to merely injure as well as kill, a gun almost always kills.

Well, the threat of death is much higher without immediate medical attention, but the survival rate for gunshot victims in First World countries is actually pretty high. Unless they're shot in the central nervous system or the heart, the average person has about a 90 percent chance of survival if given immediate medical attention (like calling paramedics, and giving basic first aid to slow bleeding until they arrive.)

Plus, it gives them a twenty-two percent increase in their chances of becoming successful rap musicians!

[Genivaria]

Well, the threat of death is much higher without immediate medical attention, but the survival rate for gunshot victims in First World countries is actually pretty high. Unless they're shot in the central nervous system or the heart, the average person has about a 90 percent chance of survival if given immediate medical attention (like calling paramedics, and giving basic first aid to slow bleeding until they arrive.)

Plus, it gives them a twenty-two percent increase in their chances of becoming successful rap musicians!

[Genivaria]

Anyway, if you use a gun then you risk getting into a legal battle.
I'd rather give the bastard a broken rib or arm then kill him and have some lawyer tell me it doesn't count as self-defense.

[Orcoa]

Hmmm I would rather not kill an intruder if they came into my home...I would most likey break his or her legs so they could not run while I call the cops...plus maybe bash his brains in a bit for breaking into my fucking house for good measure.

[Free South Califas]

Depends on if I aim to kill or just aim to disarm or mostly aim to shoot the fucker.

Um, that would be half of the question. You're almost there.

[Free South Califas]

Orcoa, you want to subdue the guy while you call the cops, then assault him when he doesn't pose a threat to you, while the cops are on the way?

[Galla-]

Legally, no. That sort of attitude can get you into a world of trouble. Reasonable fear for your life is an almost universal requirement for the use of lethal force in self-defence.

Which is why most times I'll go for the bat instead of the gun.
A bat can be used to merely injure as well as kill, a gun almost always kills.

I'll bet money concussions are more deadly than gunshots.

[Orcoa]

Orcoa, you want to subdue the guy while you call the cops, then assault him when he doesn't pose a threat to you, while the cops are on the way?

I said maybe, most likely if he trying to get away I will bash his fucking brains out...won't let that mother fucker get away

[Spreewerke]

If I were to hear someone break into my house, the first thing I would grab would be my rifle (apparently there are two AK-103s in this thread). I have a SureFire 6X Pro installed on an Ultimak rail that replaces my gas tube. It has a maximum brightness setting of ~200 lumens: this is a blinding light. I keep my rifle "condition one" at all times: magazine inserted, round chambered, safety on. I would sling it quickly (quick process) and I would probably just lean out the bedroom door. If I saw the threat immediately, I would most likely give them a verbal warning from down the hallway. If necessary, I would repeat this action. If they decide to disobey these orders, I will fire two warning shots centre mass. If this does not suffice, I will continue to fire warning shots center mass until I feel they have been sufficiently warned.

In the event I must leave my room, I will use the light to my advantage. I've practiced clearing the home with the rifle (SGL 21-94 if anyone was wondering), so it would not be too difficult. The blinding light would help as it would both illuminate the individual very well for clear and immediate identification, but it would also disable them to an extent. However, this light source is pretty much directly in front of my head. If they decided to raise a weapon and shoot at the light, I would be dead quite quickly. That being said, any quick motions (remember; I gave a loud verbal warning down the hall before entering the room) would be assumed to be a reach for a weapon on their person. That being said, I would fire the aforementioned hammered pair into the individual -- centre mass.

Aiming for a wounding shot is one of the dumbest things you could do in this situation. Not only do you run a highly greater chance of missing the target completely, but even if you do hit, it's a 1/4 chance you chose the correct limb. If you went for the legs and they have a handgun, they can still fire back. If you hit their non-dominant hand and they have a handgun, same applies. Center mass is where the vitals are: no matter who the individual is, a shattered sternum, punctured heart, and punctured lungs will stop you in your tracks. Taking the most probable shots would also lessen my chances of missing, as previously stated. This means that less rounds are going through my walls or other items while, at the same time, not adequately stopping the threat. Fortunately, since I live a mile away from my nearest neighbor, over-penetration is not really an issue. For those of you claiming, "Calling the cops first would be best," given my distance from town and general response time, their arrival would be about 25 to 30 minutes after I hung up: it would be pointless at that point in time, and given the circumstances, I feel "better grab muh cellaphone!" would be one of the last things on my mind. Basically, a phone call to the local dispatcher would probably be the last thing to occur: either post subduing of individual or post elimination of individual.

I will probably elaborate further later in this thread if necessary.

[Tubbsalot]

I will probably elaborate further later in this thread if necessary.

No, we've already gathered that you're the toughest guy of all the internet tough guys.

And probably no older than 16 years.

[Spreewerke]

I will probably elaborate further later in this thread if necessary.

No, we've already gathered that you're the toughest guy of all the internet tough guys.

And probably no older than 16 years.

I actually review firearms in my free time and practice with my AK-103 clone fairly often. I'm not a badass, I'm just someone who actually wishes to know how to properly use their weapon. If you're at all interested, my reviews can be found at the link in my signature. I'm currently working on a Walther PK380 review and a Mosin M91/30 review. Too lazy to go out and photograph the .22LR MP5 clone at the moment, so that'll probably be later this week.

[Kardelia]

No, we've already gathered that you're the toughest guy of all the internet tough guys.

And probably no older than 16 years.

I actually review firearms in my free time and practice with my AK-103 clone fairly often. I'm not a badass, I'm just someone who actually wishes to know how to properly use their weapon. If you're at all interested, my reviews can be found at the link in my signature. I'm currently working on a Walther PK380 review and a Mosin M91/30 review. Too lazy to go out and photograph the .22LR MP5 clone at the moment, so that'll probably be later this week.

Really ?