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Postby Wamitoria » Mon May 28, 2012 8:24 pm

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Our credit rating just got downgraded to FFF and the entire global economy has imploded due to the world's reserve currency suffering spiraling deflation.
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Postby Parpolitic Citizens » Mon May 28, 2012 8:28 pm

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See my post in the last page.


Immigration is good but only should be allowed from nations that do not have a majority of the population that supports terrorism and hates western values. Immigrants should also have to pass a literacy test and have proof of a fair amount of savings to prove they will not depend on welfare. We need educated immigrants with good technical skills from Japan, Taiwan, South Korea, and Denmark but we do not need Afghans, Somalis, Iraqis until their country can prove it is educated and developed and their population decides to stop hating anybody that does not share their religion. The USA has enough people that we can be choosy in who we select. Immigration is a right, not a privledge.


I'm almost waiting for you to finish your rant and say that anti-racism is anti-white and that immigration is white genocide.
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Postby Hittanryan » Mon May 28, 2012 8:36 pm

End the Bush tax cuts.

End subsidies for the oil industry, like ze goggles, they do nothing.

Those two wouldn't do it alone, but it's a start.
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Postby Freiheit Reich » Mon May 28, 2012 8:57 pm

Parpolitic Citizens wrote:
Freiheit Reich wrote:
Immigration is good but only should be allowed from nations that do not have a majority of the population that supports terrorism and hates western values. Immigrants should also have to pass a literacy test and have proof of a fair amount of savings to prove they will not depend on welfare. We need educated immigrants with good technical skills from Japan, Taiwan, South Korea, and Denmark but we do not need Afghans, Somalis, Iraqis until their country can prove it is educated and developed and their population decides to stop hating anybody that does not share their religion. The USA has enough people that we can be choosy in who we select. Immigration is a right, not a privledge.


I'm almost waiting for you to finish your rant and say that anti-racism is anti-white and that immigration is white genocide.


How does it sound like I am discouraging immigration? Chile has a selective immigration policy (based highly on economics) and they are not called a racist nation. There are plenty of nations that have immigrants we should allow, Latin America is also fine because they share common USA values regarding religion, family, and culture. However, we should only accept the best from those countries (how much do they have in their bank account? Do they have a useful skill? etc..). The problem is that we have many immigrants in the USA that are unskilled and from terrorist nations. Why are many immigrants working in the fields and meatpacking plants? We have people on unemployment that need those unskilled jobs (also getting them off welfare). An engineer from Peru, a doctor from China, a nurse from Poland are welcome here and will be valuable. A person from a nation with high terrorism rates that hates "western values" and lacks technical skills is not welcome. To welcome terrorist supporters is suicide.
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Postby Arkinesia » Mon May 28, 2012 9:39 pm

Divair wrote:
Laissez-Faire wrote:Neither does China hold any form of economic supremacy, nor will they in the near future.

Wrong.

You can't run an economy on a nation full of men.
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Postby Pootania » Mon May 28, 2012 9:49 pm

Tax the rich/anyone who has a job 99%
End the Bush tax cuts
Enact the Buffet rule and tax the rich some more
Tax Wall Street fat cats 100%
Cut taxes only for the poor and the homeless so they can create jobs and hire people
Tax all corporations that don't contribute to my campaign 100%
Sell the military and our nuclear stockpile to North Korea and Iran

Debt problem solved.
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Postby Arborlawn » Mon May 28, 2012 10:04 pm

Tax all income over $1,000,000 at 100%.
Appropriate distribution of taxes based on distribution of income.
Appropriate the distribution of Social Security Taxes based on distribution of income.
Get rid of Sales Tax, centralize government funding, restructure government.
Lower Small Business Tax to 0%, raise Corporate Tax to 40% - 50%.
Enact an Corporate Expatriation Tax of 80% to 99.5% in case any of those bastards try to leave.
Nationalize essential industries.
Lower retirement age to 56.

Oh, and, pass a law forgiving our debt, you know, since most of it is owned by the US Government itself.
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Postby Delator » Mon May 28, 2012 10:08 pm

Step 1: End the Bush tax cuts.

Step 2: 20% across the board spending cuts on the Defense Department

Step 3: Tax Capital at the same rate as Labor.

Step 4: Enact a single-payer health care system.

Step 5 (optional): Mandate a 32 hour work week.
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Postby Arborlawn » Mon May 28, 2012 10:09 pm

Delator wrote:Step 1: End the Bush tax cuts.

Step 2: 20% across the board spending cuts on the Defense Department

Step 3: Tax Capital at the same rate as Labor.

Step 4: Enact a single-payer health care system.

Step 5 (optional): Mandate a 32 hour work week.


I like Step 5 minus 12 hours.
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Postby Mushrenia » Mon May 28, 2012 10:16 pm

Arborlawn wrote:Tax all income over $1,000,000 at 100%.
Appropriate distribution of taxes based on distribution of income.
Appropriate the distribution of Social Security Taxes based on distribution of income.
Get rid of Sales Tax, centralize government funding, restructure government.
Lower Small Business Tax to 0%, raise Corporate Tax to 40% - 50%.
Enact an Corporate Expatriation Tax of 80% to 99.5% in case any of those bastards try to leave.
Nationalize essential industries.
Lower retirement age to 56.

Oh, and, pass a law forgiving our debt, you know, since most of it is owned by the US Government itself.


Have fun getting lynched. :meh:

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Postby Arborlawn » Mon May 28, 2012 10:16 pm

Mushrenia wrote:
Arborlawn wrote:Tax all income over $1,000,000 at 100%.
Appropriate distribution of taxes based on distribution of income.
Appropriate the distribution of Social Security Taxes based on distribution of income.
Get rid of Sales Tax, centralize government funding, restructure government.
Lower Small Business Tax to 0%, raise Corporate Tax to 40% - 50%.
Enact an Corporate Expatriation Tax of 80% to 99.5% in case any of those bastards try to leave.
Nationalize essential industries.
Lower retirement age to 56.

Oh, and, pass a law forgiving our debt, you know, since most of it is owned by the US Government itself.


Have fun getting lynched. :meh:


Why is that?
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Postby Mushrenia » Mon May 28, 2012 10:19 pm

Arborlawn wrote:
Mushrenia wrote:
Have fun getting lynched. :meh:


Why is that?


Those policies would cause mass unemployment due to the instant destruction of thousands of companies, and would end up an economic disaster. That would tick off many people, quite likely the people you intended to "Help" with these policies.

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Postby Mr Bananagrabber » Mon May 28, 2012 10:32 pm

Free Individuals Who Support Ron Paul wrote:-Bring ALL the troops home from EVERYWHERE
-Get out of the UN and stop paying UN taxes
-End ALL foreign aid
-Drastically cut the size of the federal government
-Significantly decrease congressional pay
-Abolish the Federal Reserve


Oh, so weird, I think there was a presidential candidate who had those exact policies. Can somebody remind me who that was. I think it was... Gary Johnson, or something? Anyway, you'd probably like him.
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Postby Arborlawn » Mon May 28, 2012 10:36 pm

Mushrenia wrote:
Arborlawn wrote:
Why is that?


Those policies would cause mass unemployment due to the instant destruction of thousands of companies, and would end up an economic disaster. That would tick off many people, quite likely the people you intended to "Help" with these policies.


According to you.
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Postby Mr Bananagrabber » Mon May 28, 2012 10:43 pm

Arborlawn wrote:Tax all income over $1,000,000 at 100%.


Do you want to stop and think about that for a second? :eyebrow:

People choose to work to earn income. Generally people don't choose to work if they're not getting paid. So what do you think people who earn over a million dollars will do once their marginal labour starts getting taxed at 100%?
"I guess it would just be a guy who, you know, grabs bananas and runs. Or a banana that grabs things. I don't know. Why would a banana grab another banana? I mean those are the kind of questions I don't want to answer."

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Postby Arborlawn » Mon May 28, 2012 10:48 pm

Mr Bananagrabber wrote:
Arborlawn wrote:Tax all income over $1,000,000 at 100%.


Do you want to stop and think about that for a second? :eyebrow:

People choose to work to earn income. Generally people don't choose to work if they're not getting paid. So what do you think people who earn over a million dollars will do once their marginal labour starts getting taxed at 100%?


If you look at the whole post, you will see the some parts of it are purposely unreasonable, for humor. Read the last sentence.
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Postby Mr Bananagrabber » Mon May 28, 2012 10:53 pm

Arborlawn wrote:
Mr Bananagrabber wrote:
Do you want to stop and think about that for a second? :eyebrow:

People choose to work to earn income. Generally people don't choose to work if they're not getting paid. So what do you think people who earn over a million dollars will do once their marginal labour starts getting taxed at 100%?


If you look at the whole post, you will see the some parts of it are purposely unreasonable, for humor. Read the last sentence.


Ah, my mistake. I've met people who actually think this sort of stuff, so that's kind of blurred the line for me. A thousand apologies. Image
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Postby Parpolitic Citizens » Mon May 28, 2012 10:55 pm

Mr Bananagrabber wrote:
Arborlawn wrote:Tax all income over $1,000,000 at 100%.


Do you want to stop and think about that for a second? :eyebrow:

People choose to work to earn income. Generally people don't choose to work if they're not getting paid. So what do you think people who earn over a million dollars will do once their marginal labour starts getting taxed at 100%?


The marginal utility of anything over 250K us null. At that point people are working for status not lifestyle.
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Postby Arborlawn » Mon May 28, 2012 11:01 pm

Parpolitic Citizens wrote:
Mr Bananagrabber wrote:
Do you want to stop and think about that for a second? :eyebrow:

People choose to work to earn income. Generally people don't choose to work if they're not getting paid. So what do you think people who earn over a million dollars will do once their marginal labour starts getting taxed at 100%?


The marginal utility of anything over 250K us null. At that point people are working for status not lifestyle.


I agree with this.
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Postby Mr Bananagrabber » Mon May 28, 2012 11:02 pm

Parpolitic Citizens wrote:
Mr Bananagrabber wrote:
Do you want to stop and think about that for a second? :eyebrow:

People choose to work to earn income. Generally people don't choose to work if they're not getting paid. So what do you think people who earn over a million dollars will do once their marginal labour starts getting taxed at 100%?


The marginal utility of anything over 250K us null. At that point people are working for status not lifestyle.


The marginal utility of consumption maybe. Not the marginal utility of anything. Obviously to continue working at that point requires getting more utility from something than you'd get from leisure. I think popular opinion is that it's the wealth and power that gives you status. Your power isn't diminished by cutting back your hours worked, but the tax means that your income is now lower. So unless you want to justify the slightly ridiculous claim that at that point you receive utility from actual labour, then it's reasonable to conclude that hours worked will be cut back.

Also, if they get no utility from income beyond that point, why do they spend so much money trying to get the already negligible tax rates reduced? :eyebrow:
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Postby Arborlawn » Mon May 28, 2012 11:02 pm

Mr Bananagrabber wrote:
Arborlawn wrote:
If you look at the whole post, you will see the some parts of it are purposely unreasonable, for humor. Read the last sentence.


Ah, my mistake. I've met people who actually think this sort of stuff, so that's kind of blurred the line for me. A thousand apologies. Image


There are maybe, three or four things on that list I actually support.
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Postby Mr Bananagrabber » Mon May 28, 2012 11:10 pm

Arborlawn wrote:
Mr Bananagrabber wrote:
Ah, my mistake. I've met people who actually think this sort of stuff, so that's kind of blurred the line for me. A thousand apologies. Image


There are maybe, three or four things on that list I actually support.


I agree with these two:

"Appropriate distribution of taxes based on distribution of income.
Appropriate distribution of Social Security Taxes based on distribution of income."

I'd also add, in that vein, mandatory 401k contributions to reduce the social security burden and promote self-funded retirees, a la Australian superannuation; and universal healthcare funded with a flat income tax levy.
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Postby Parpolitic Citizens » Mon May 28, 2012 11:10 pm

Mr Bananagrabber wrote:
Parpolitic Citizens wrote:
The marginal utility of anything over 250K us null. At that point people are working for status not lifestyle.


The marginal utility of consumption maybe. Not the marginal utility of anything. Obviously to continue working at that point requires getting more utility from something than you'd get from leisure. I think popular opinion is that it's the wealth and power that gives you status. Your power isn't diminished by cutting back your hours worked, but the tax means that your income is now lower. So unless you want to justify the slightly ridiculous claim that at that point you receive utility from actual labour, then it's reasonable to conclude that hours worked will be cut back.


People receive utility from accomplishing the specific tasks of a job, from social comradery, the authority that the job commands and the respect of others inside and outside their field. Why does someone with 20 billion dollars continue to work? After a certain point you have to admit that the marginal utility from more money is null and it just becomes a dick measuring contest. I'd say let them measure dicks and not allow them to amass money that could be used to gain political power.
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Postby Parpolitic Citizens » Mon May 28, 2012 11:12 pm

Mr Bananagrabber wrote:Also, if they get no utility from income beyond that point, why do they spend so much money trying to get the already negligible tax rates reduced? :eyebrow:


People have a natural aversion to loss.
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Postby Arborlawn » Mon May 28, 2012 11:14 pm

Mr Bananagrabber wrote:
Arborlawn wrote:
There are maybe, three or four things on that list I actually support.


I agree with these two:

"Appropriate distribution of taxes based on distribution of income.
Appropriate distribution of Social Security Taxes based on distribution of income."

I'd also add, in that vein, mandatory 401k contributions to reduce the social security burden and promote self-funded retirees, a la Australian superannuation; and universal healthcare funded with a flat income tax levy.


I agree with those two, as well as lowering retirement age to 56, and lower Small Business Tax to 0%
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