How would you fix the United States' budget problem?

[Laissez-Faire]

It's a nice principle which states the government won't maintain an armed and active/able force within the United States, unless in the event of defensive war. Having armed border guards in army configuration is bad for that.

The U.S can't afford to not have a standing military...They've made too many enemies as it is.

They can surely have a standing military. In times of war, they can be engaged in operations. If that is domestic, that can entail domestic security forces. Any other time, and troops domestically should not be active and able in security enforcement/authority of military.

[Freiheit Reich]

The flat tax will encourage businesses to invest in America. I also forgot to mention eliminating minimum wage and increasing immigration for immigrants from non-terrorist countries that want to invest in the United States. Low taxes and regulations will help us compete with Singapore and Hong Kong as business friendly places.

Border control is essential-many illegal immigrants are getting government services that they are not entitled to. California is deep in deficit for this reason among many. California is proof that liberal spending ideas are failing. Many businesses are leaving California for friendlier states like Texas and Oklahoma. Many US businesses are moving production to China for similar reasons. It is also an issue of national security.

Prisoners cost about $40,000 to house for one year. I am betting several countries would be willing to house them for less than $5,000 a year.

Soldiers can be laid off as their enlistment contracts end, they will be given advance notice and the opportunity to go to the national guard with the same rank. Much cheaper because benefits in the guard are a lot less than full time military.

Forcing illegal immigrants to build the border fence before deporting them will be a way to save a lot of money.

Immigration will only be allowed if the immigrant can prove they can be self-supporting. Must have a minimum amount in savings and proof of valuable technical skills before entering. Immigrants must bring the country up, not down.

[Divair]

The flat tax will encourage businesses to invest in America. I also forgot to mention eliminating minimum wage and increasing immigration for immigrants from non-terrorist countries that want to invest in the United States. Low taxes and regulations will help us compete with Singapore and Hong Kong as business friendly places.

Border control is essential-many illegal immigrants are getting government services that they are not entitled to. California is deep in deficit for this reason among many. California is proof that liberal spending ideas are failing. Many businesses are leaving California for friendlier states like Texas and Oklahoma. Many US businesses are moving production to China for similar reasons. It is also an issue of national security.

Prisoners cost about $40,000 to house for one year. I am betting several countries would be willing to house them for less than $5,000 a year.

Soldiers can be laid off as their enlistment contracts end, they will be given advance notice and the opportunity to go to the national guard with the same rank. Much cheaper because benefits in the guard are a lot less than full time military.

Forcing illegal immigrants to build the border fence before deporting them will be a way to save a lot of money.

Immigration will only be allowed if the immigrant can prove they can be self-supporting. Must have a minimum amount in savings and proof of valuable technical skills before entering. Immigrants must bring the country up, not down.

Your. Plan. Is. Shit.

Deporting immigrants doesn't fix anything, a flat tax would ruin the country, and throwing prisoners all across the globe is unethical to say the least.

[Ifreann]

Border control is essential-many illegal immigrants are getting government services that they are not entitled to.

I'm given to understand that this is actually the opposite of what's happening. Illegal immigrants are paying taxes and not claiming deductions or subsidies or what have you, out of fear that their illegal status would be discovered if they gave the IRS reason to pay attention to them.

Forcing illegal immigrants to build the border fence before deporting them will be a way to save a lot of money.

I doubt that highly, and even if it's true, an enormous electrified fence with armed guards and minefields would cost an absolute fortune to maintain.

[Laissez-Faire]

Border control is essential-many illegal immigrants are getting government services that they are not entitled to.

I'm given to understand that this is actually the opposite of what's happening. Illegal immigrants are paying taxes and not claiming deductions or subsidies or what have you, out of fear that their illegal status would be discovered if they gave the IRS reason to pay attention to them.

Still doesn't give them reason to stay, imo. Even if they do pay taxes without services, they still largely aren't here to their own economic benefit as illegal immigrants. However, I agree, deportation won't work.

[Freiheit Reich]

Forcing illegal immigrants to build the border fence before deporting them will be a way to save a lot of money.

I doubt that highly, and even if it's true, an enormous electrified fence with armed guards and minefields would cost an absolute fortune to maintain.[/quote]


East Berlin managed. Not many guards will be required, the landmines will keep most people away once a few people are killed crossing. There will be 2 fences and the landmines will be in the middle known as "the death strip." It will be similar to the Berlin Wall but with less guards. People that die will be left there as warnings to others. It sounds mean but they were warned before crossing (warning signs will be on the first fence).

[Wamitoria]

East Berlin managed.

No, they really didn't. There's a reason they aren't here anymore.

[Divair]

East Berlin managed.

No, they really didn't. There's a reason they aren't here anymore.

There's also a reason that the USSR was poor (hint: military spending)

[Ifreann]

East Berlin managed.

The Berlin wall was concrete, not an electric fence. One of these things leads to a huge electric bill, one doesn't.

Not many guards will be required, the landmines will keep most people away once a few people are killed crossing.

No, they won't. People will find a way to disable, detonate or avoid unmonitored landmines.

There will be 2 fences and the landmines will be in the middle known as "the death strip."

Congrats, you just doubled the construction cost and electrical requirements.

It will be similar to the Berlin Wall but with less guards.

You are aware that people got over the Berlin Wall, aren't you?

People that die will be left there as warnings to others. It sounds mean but they were warned before crossing (warning signs will be on the first fence).

It sounds mean because it's fucking barbaric. But that's beside the point. It wouldn't save any money. It would cost money. A whole fucking lot of money. After costing a bloody fortune to build it would cost a bloody fortune to maintain and man and restock with mines.

[Freiheit Reich]

There will be 2 fences and the landmines will be in the middle known as "the death strip."

Congrats, you just doubled the construction cost and electrical requirements.

First fence will be concrete with razor wire on the top-not electric.

It will be similar to the Berlin Wall but with less guards.

You are aware that people got over the Berlin Wall, aren't you?

A few people got over, not many. I don't expect 100% success rate, it is a deterent though.

[Grand Britannia]

How about no landmines...

Imagine how lovely the U.S would look on the news when they see exploding civilians at the border...

[Wamitoria]

How about no landmines...

Imagine how lovely the U.S would look on the news when they see exploding civilians at the border...

I really thought this sort of idea would be confined to Greece at this point.

[Ifreann]

First fence will be concrete with razor wire on the top-not electric.

It'll still be bloody expensive to build a double layer fence along the entire US/Mexico border.

A few people got over, not many. I don't expect 100% success rate, it is a deterent though.

It's not much of a deterrent if people are getting over. And it's a deterrent that would cost more than the problem it's meant to prevent.

[Parpolitic Citizens]

First fence will be concrete with razor wire on the top-not electric.

It'll still be bloody expensive to build a double layer fence along the entire US/Mexico border.

A few people got over, not many. I don't expect 100% success rate, it is a deterent though.

It's not much of a deterrent if people are getting over. And it's a deterrent that would cost more than the problem it's meant to prevent.

That's also not realizing that a lot of people and drugs come through underground tunnels. If you take away the border people will start digging.

[Dick Alfagor]

Steal rich corps money and give them to civil servants and force them to buy a car or anything to simulate the economy

[Divair]

It'll still be bloody expensive to build a double layer fence along the entire US/Mexico border.


It's not much of a deterrent if people are getting over. And it's a deterrent that would cost more than the problem it's meant to prevent.

That's also not realizing that a lot of people and drugs come through underground tunnels. If you take away the border people will start digging.

Or using boats. Or planes. Or getting through legal immigration with illegal documents.

[Ifreann]

It'll still be bloody expensive to build a double layer fence along the entire US/Mexico border.


It's not much of a deterrent if people are getting over. And it's a deterrent that would cost more than the problem it's meant to prevent.

That's also not realizing that a lot of people and drugs come through underground tunnels. If you take away the border people will start digging.

And start taking to the seas and the skies.

[Parpolitic Citizens]

That's also not realizing that a lot of people and drugs come through underground tunnels. If you take away the border people will start digging.

Or using boats. Or planes. Or getting through legal immigration with illegal documents.

Well to be honest, almost all of the non-latino illegals, like 40-50%, just over stay their vacation visa. If we want to stop illegal immigration we need to set up a national biometric ID in order to work. An iris scan would be fairly reasonable.

[Divair]

Or using boats. Or planes. Or getting through legal immigration with illegal documents.

Well to be honest, almost all of the non-latino illegals, like 40-50%, just over stay their vacation visa. If we want to stop illegal immigration we need to set up a national biometric ID in order to work. An iris scan would be fairly reasonable.

Or just make legal immigration easier.

Problem solved.

[Parpolitic Citizens]

Well to be honest, almost all of the non-latino illegals, like 40-50%, just over stay their vacation visa. If we want to stop illegal immigration we need to set up a national biometric ID in order to work. An iris scan would be fairly reasonable.

Or just make legal immigration easier.

Problem solved.

Some immigration is fine. But "easier" immigration will inevitably lower the standard of living for native Americans, concentrate wealth, and stoke the flames of fascism.

[Ifreann]

Or just make legal immigration easier.

Problem solved.

Some immigration is fine. But "easier" immigration will inevitably lower the standard of living for native Americans, concentrate wealth, and stoke the flames of fascism.

Which would lower immigration, because who wants to move to a fascist shithole?

[Parpolitic Citizens]

Some immigration is fine. But "easier" immigration will inevitably lower the standard of living for native Americans, concentrate wealth, and stoke the flames of fascism.

Which would lower immigration, because who wants to move to a fascist shithole?

Well the problem is I'm not the kind the people the fascists would like to have around.

[Wamitoria]

Some immigration is fine. But "easier" immigration will inevitably lower the standard of living for native Americans, concentrate wealth, and stoke the flames of fascism.

Considering the vast majority of extremely anti-immigrant Americans are old white people, I don't think we need to cater to them.

[Milks Empire]

Which would lower immigration, because who wants to move to a fascist shithole?

Well the problem is I'm not the kind the people the fascists would like to have around.

I'd be dead real quick-like with fascists in charge too, but I think you're exaggerating a bit.

[Parpolitic Citizens]

Some immigration is fine. But "easier" immigration will inevitably lower the standard of living for native Americans, concentrate wealth, and stoke the flames of fascism.

Considering the vast majority of extremely anti-immigrant Americans are old white people, I don't think we need to cater to them.

Well the fascism statement was a bit much. But The other concerns are real. Many illegal immigrants work under the table for less of what an American would make. Some of the money they earn is then sent back to their country of origin which hampers the multiplier effect. This allows This allows big business to keep a bigger share of the profits and keeps native Americans unemployed. Lastly, when we turn down immigration levels people are more likely to marry out side of their race and ethnicity. This reduces balkanization, which I consider to be a good thing considering the alternative.