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Postby Farnhamia » Tue May 29, 2012 10:54 am

Freiheit Reich wrote:Iran. I dislike their values and country but if we have the right to have nukes they should also. We need to respect other nations' sovereignty. If Iran uses their nuke than we should punish them. They have reason to worry. If the USA invades Iraq without just cause than why should our words matter. Iran might worry about the USA invading them. After Iraq the USA is no longer "a good guy." Ron Paul's philosophy that would ban "premeptive attack" is the fairest philosophy.

Fine, you explain to the dead how you punished Iran for using their nukes. Be sure to mention that you gave up trying to stop them from getting them in the first place. I'm sure the dead will want to know that.
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Postby Divair » Tue May 29, 2012 10:54 am

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I would look at you as if you were mad to think that I didn't know that. Have you no vices you simply cannot resist? Know that if you answer that you do not, I am quite prepared to pronounce you not human. :p

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Postby Rijanan » Tue May 29, 2012 10:57 am

Niether, but if i had to choose, it's israel, im christian, and jesus was a jew.
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Postby Great Europa (Ancient) » Tue May 29, 2012 10:57 am

Israel, when you look at it the Israelis were given that land by the U.N mandate, legally it is theirs (the original plans would have given much of Jordan to the Jews). Also the Arabs started it.

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Postby Amacia » Tue May 29, 2012 10:59 am

I think the one issue that has rarely been brought up is that weather Ahmadinejad wants to nuke Israel is irrelevant, since he doesn't have the power. The Ayatollah does have the power. So do we have any evidence that he would nuke Israel?
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Postby Corusanti Diplomat » Tue May 29, 2012 11:35 am

Israel. It's always better to have this country as an ally, rather than some crazy fanatical Iran - I mean the Iran's government, not people, no offense.
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Postby Milks Empire » Tue May 29, 2012 11:38 am

Great Europa wrote:Israel, when you look at it the Israelis were given that land by the U.N mandate, legally it is theirs (the original plans would have given much of Jordan to the Jews). Also the Arabs started it.

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Postby ThisIsNotACountry » Tue May 29, 2012 11:41 am

Khadgar wrote:Uh, neither side. Because whoever wins the war, the US will lose. Money, soldiers, lives. Fuck the Middle East.

Yeah man war is bad dude
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Postby Bleckonia » Tue May 29, 2012 11:42 am

Of course I support Israel! Iran is a radical, evil, theocratic nation. It's a shame that Russia and China are backing them.
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Postby Big Brain City » Tue May 29, 2012 11:44 am

I support Israel, but I believe they should stop claiming the West Bank and building settlements there. Stop the settlements and pull the colonists out of the west bank, then restart the sidetracked peace process. It's time for pax in the Middle East.
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Postby Knockercord » Tue May 29, 2012 11:44 am

If war did break out because Iran launched a nuke. The USA would fire so many nuclear missiles at Iran it wouldnt be funny. Iran's ass would be bleeding uncontrollably. Plus the UK would get involved and Russia and China wouldn't fight against the USA because they'd get themselves rocked. Yah, they are rising powers, but the US is a super power and can basically wipe anyone it wants off the map. Whether or not we do that is the gov't choice.

But in all, I am siding with Israel with the Iran problem.

Now with Israel/Palestine.....thats a whole different thing. I am pro-Palestine on that.
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Postby Farnhamia » Tue May 29, 2012 11:46 am

Knockercord wrote:If war did break out because Iran launched a nuke. The USA would fire so many nuclear missiles at Iran it wouldnt be funny. Iran's ass would be bleeding uncontrollably. Plus the UK would get involved and Russia and China wouldn't fight against the USA because they'd get themselves rocked. Yah, they are rising powers, but the US is a super power and can basically wipe anyone it wants off the map. Whether or not we do that is the gov't choice.

But in all, I am siding with Israel.

The US wouldn't respond with nuclear weapons, not to a single attack. We could punish Iran quite sufficiently with conventional weapons. Nuclear weapons have consequences, like radioactive fallout in the atmosphere. And other countries get nervous when the air is filled with missiles.
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Postby Brituctam » Tue May 29, 2012 11:46 am

Divair wrote:I'm living inside Israel. Should be fairly obvious whether or not I want to get missiles thrown at me.

Oh, and Iran will be alone when the war starts. China and Russia won't dare to piss off the US and the rest of the West.

Hahahahahahahahahaha!!! Wow, good one!! China-Russia together will kick USA butt!! By the way, most of the presidents of Latin American countries are socialist, what does that tell you, they support IRAN!!
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Postby Corusanti Diplomat » Tue May 29, 2012 11:48 am

Bleckonia wrote:Of course I support Israel! Iran is a radical, evil, theocratic nation. It's a shame that Russia and China are backing them.

Russia and China have the obvious political interests in supporting Iran. Plus they're opposing the US, it's traditional. It's kinda a realpolitik.

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Postby Divair » Tue May 29, 2012 11:57 am

Brituctam wrote:
Divair wrote:I'm living inside Israel. Should be fairly obvious whether or not I want to get missiles thrown at me.

Oh, and Iran will be alone when the war starts. China and Russia won't dare to piss off the US and the rest of the West.

Hahahahahahahahahaha!!! Wow, good one!! China-Russia together will kick USA butt!! By the way, most of the presidents of Latin American countries are socialist, what does that tell you, they support IRAN!!

1. China and Russia both have outdated equipment and horrible navies. Not only would they not be able to beat the USA (although the USA would take considerable casualties), but they wouldn't even join Iran's side in the first place.
2. Most of the "presidents" of Latin American countries are hardly socialist. Most of them are corrupt right wing extremists with the occasional center-left honest dude who gives a shit.
3. There's no connection between socialism and Iran. At all. Whatsoever.

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Postby Melas » Tue May 29, 2012 11:59 am

Divair wrote:
Brituctam wrote:Hahahahahahahahahaha!!! Wow, good one!! China-Russia together will kick USA butt!! By the way, most of the presidents of Latin American countries are socialist, what does that tell you, they support IRAN!!

1. China and Russia both have outdated equipment and horrible navies. Not only would they not be able to beat the USA (although the USA would take considerable casualties), but they wouldn't even join Iran's side in the first place.
2. Most of the "presidents" of Latin American countries are hardly socialist. Most of them are corrupt right wing extremists with the occasional center-left honest dude who gives a shit.
3. There's no connection between socialism and Iran. At all. Whatsoever.


you seriosuly believe that if a war happened bewteen U.S.A VS IRAN,RUSSIA,CHINA the U.S.A would have won? i seriously doubt that. btw IRAN FTW,israel shouldn't exist in the 1st place
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Postby Fedeledland » Tue May 29, 2012 12:00 pm

Big Brain City wrote:I support Israel, but I believe they should stop claiming the West Bank and building settlements there. Stop the settlements and pull the colonists out of the west bank, then restart the sidetracked peace process. It's time for pax in the Middle East.
Then wait to see if Assad can stop his mass murder mania. if he can't, then it's time to grow a Revolution Flower.

...And the West Bank has anything to do with Iran... how?


Brituctam wrote:
Divair wrote:I'm living inside Israel. Should be fairly obvious whether or not I want to get missiles thrown at me.

Oh, and Iran will be alone when the war starts. China and Russia won't dare to piss off the US and the rest of the West.

Hahahahahahahahahaha!!! Wow, good one!! China-Russia together will kick USA butt!! By the way, most of the presidents of Latin American countries are socialist, what does that tell you, they support IRAN!!


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Brituctam wrote:Hahahahahahahahahaha!!! Wow, good one!! China-Russia together will kick USA butt!! By the way, most of the presidents of Latin American countries are socialist, what does that tell you, they support IRAN!!

1. China and Russia both have outdated equipment and horrible navies. Not only would they not be able to beat the USA (although the USA would take considerable casualties), but they wouldn't even join Iran's side in the first place.
2. Most of the "presidents" of Latin American countries are hardly socialist. Most of them are corrupt right wing extremists with the occasional center-left honest dude who gives a shit.
3. There's no connection between socialism and Iran. At all. Whatsoever.


I agree with 1 and 3 but seriously, most Latin American dictators are socialist. Dictatorship in Latin America comes from both sides of the spectrum.
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Postby Fedeledland » Tue May 29, 2012 12:02 pm

Melas wrote:
Divair wrote:1. China and Russia both have outdated equipment and horrible navies. Not only would they not be able to beat the USA (although the USA would take considerable casualties), but they wouldn't even join Iran's side in the first place.
2. Most of the "presidents" of Latin American countries are hardly socialist. Most of them are corrupt right wing extremists with the occasional center-left honest dude who gives a shit.
3. There's no connection between socialism and Iran. At all. Whatsoever.


you seriosuly believe that if a war happened bewteen U.S.A VS IRAN,RUSSIA,CHINA the U.S.A would have won? i seriously doubt that. btw IRAN FTW,israel shouldn't exist in the 1st place


Okay, so, let's restate.

The Russian, Iranian and Chinese militaries all extremely suck with everything, while the Western ones are awesome. So can't get into America while the US can get into Euroasia.

And how come Israel shouldn't exist?
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Postby Divair » Tue May 29, 2012 12:02 pm

Melas wrote:
Divair wrote:1. China and Russia both have outdated equipment and horrible navies. Not only would they not be able to beat the USA (although the USA would take considerable casualties), but they wouldn't even join Iran's side in the first place.
2. Most of the "presidents" of Latin American countries are hardly socialist. Most of them are corrupt right wing extremists with the occasional center-left honest dude who gives a shit.
3. There's no connection between socialism and Iran. At all. Whatsoever.


you seriosuly believe that if a war happened bewteen U.S.A VS IRAN,RUSSIA,CHINA the U.S.A would have won? i seriously doubt that. btw IRAN FTW,israel shouldn't exist in the 1st place

Yes, the USA would win. Get real for a second and snap back into reality. I don't care how anti-USA you are (I am as well), but you HAVE to give them credit for having the strongest military. The USN can alone take on most of the world. Who the hell can stand up to 11 aircraft carriers with a few more in production?

And this is all irrelevant anyway because Russia and China won't intervene.

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Postby Geilinor » Tue May 29, 2012 12:06 pm

If China and the United States went to war, both economies would implode. China relies on exporting manufactured goods to countries like the US, and the US relies on Chinese imports.
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Postby Milks Empire » Tue May 29, 2012 12:06 pm

Divair wrote:
Melas wrote:you seriosuly believe that if a war happened bewteen U.S.A VS IRAN,RUSSIA,CHINA the U.S.A would have won? i seriously doubt that. btw IRAN FTW,israel shouldn't exist in the 1st place

Yes, the USA would win. Get real for a second and snap back into reality. I don't care how anti-USA you are (I am as well), but you HAVE to give them credit for having the strongest military. The USN can alone take on most of the world. Who the hell can stand up to 11 aircraft carriers with a few more in production?
And this is all irrelevant anyway because Russia and China won't intervene.

Not to mention I think the whole thing is just paranoia on Bibi's part.

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Postby Divair » Tue May 29, 2012 12:07 pm

Geilinor wrote:If China and America went to war, both economies would implode. China relies on exporting manufactured goods to countries like the US.

And Russia relies on exporting oil to the US and EU.
If Russia and China intervened the global market would collapse. We'd enter a world wide depression. No one would profit, not even the oil companies this time.

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Postby Divair » Tue May 29, 2012 12:08 pm

Milks Empire wrote:
Divair wrote:Yes, the USA would win. Get real for a second and snap back into reality. I don't care how anti-USA you are (I am as well), but you HAVE to give them credit for having the strongest military. The USN can alone take on most of the world. Who the hell can stand up to 11 aircraft carriers with a few more in production?
And this is all irrelevant anyway because Russia and China won't intervene.

Not to mention I think the whole thing is just paranoia on Bibi's part.

I don't really agree with that. I think Iran is most probably developing nuclear weapons, but I don't give two shits. I think they should be able to have them.

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Postby Milks Empire » Tue May 29, 2012 12:09 pm

Divair wrote:
Milks Empire wrote:Not to mention I think the whole thing is just paranoia on Bibi's part.

I don't really agree with that. I think Iran is most probably developing nuclear weapons, but I don't give two shits. I think they should be able to have them.

I highly doubt it. Khamenei wouldn't go against his own fatwa.

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Postby Melas » Tue May 29, 2012 12:10 pm

Divair wrote:
Melas wrote:
you seriosuly believe that if a war happened bewteen U.S.A VS IRAN,RUSSIA,CHINA the U.S.A would have won? i seriously doubt that. btw IRAN FTW,israel shouldn't exist in the 1st place

Yes, the USA would win. Get real for a second and snap back into reality. I don't care how anti-USA you are (I am as well), but you HAVE to give them credit for having the strongest military. The USN can alone take on most of the world. Who the hell can stand up to 11 aircraft carriers with a few more in production?

And this is all irrelevant anyway because Russia and China won't intervene.


well i am anti-usa but i do recognise that they do have a good military.i cant believe that they could pick on russia and china at the same time.... imagine how many troops russia and china would have if they mobilized,the economy would be fucked everything would be fucked but so would the U.S and face it they are the 2 biggest nations in the word its not gonna be easy to win them
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