Who's side are you on Israel or Iran?

[Seleucas]

If you are acquainted with my posts, you would know that I seriously question the motives of Israel and the United States in terms of Iran, and am very much in favor of liberalizing relations with said nation. However, I hate the notion that I am taking a 'side'; I want everyone to get along, and detest the unnecessary hostilities between these nations.

[Myrensis]

Tell me, did you read the post I was referring to? He said he didn't side with the aggressors and yet supports the continued aggression against Cyprus and the occupation of Northern Cyprus, thus pointing out that his viewpoint is hypocritical.

Ah, no. I thought you were suggesting that Iran had somehow acted aggressively toward Israel during the 74 war.

If I knew the answer I would be able to tell you but it is more to do with the various royal families wanting to cling onto power.

Which is another point that people seem to miss when cheerleading for military conflict with Iran. One of the reasons that the other ME powers fear Iran is because, even in the current time with all the anger and violence over Ahmadenijads 're-election', the Iranian regime still has far more popular legitimacy with it's people than most of the assorted despotic monarchies and dictatorships in the region.

They were fighting against Iraq, the country which cut loose and ran when the Coalition appeared on the horizon in 1991. If Iran couldn't defeat them, what makes you think that Iran could defeat Israel?

Neither does Iran. But I wasn't hinting at an occupation, rather a simple strike or air defence engagement.

Iran could not defeat Israel in an open military conflict. I was merely pointing out that in spite of the tech disparity, the Iranian military is not going to be nearly the sort of pushover Israel has become accustomed to when dealing with it's incompetent Arab neighbors. And a simple strike or air defence engagement will do nothing but strengthen the Iranian regime. Even if Israel manages to severely damage the Iranian nuclear program, which is unlikely given that is widely dispersed and hardened, unlike the Iraqi and Syrian "Build a single big reactor with a "BOMB ME!" sign on it", it will kill the opposition movement in Iran far more effectively than Ahmadenijad or the Ayatollahs ever could.

How many people do you think are going to be willing to come out in protest or publically question the government when the state controlled media is doing nothing but flashing images of bombed out buildings and dead Iranians and accusing all opposition of simply being US/Israeli agitators?

[Arborlawn]

I am "on" Israel's side.

However, I really don't even want to deal with these Persians. I really don't. Let's just give them some Schwarma or something. I mean, really.

Iran isn't all that bad. The problem here is that there is a lack of respect for culture on the side of the western world. Some nations don't want democracy, or, secularism. If they want an Islamic Republic governed by Shariah Law, then let them do it.

[Strong Homogeneity]

When you ask me to choose between a violent bully with a list of human rights violations longer than your leg having nuclear weapons illegally and using that threat to impose their will on their neighbors and Iran, I'll choose Iran every time.

[Jafas United]

When you ask me to choose between a violent bully with a list of human rights violations longer than your leg having nuclear weapons illegally and using that threat to impose their will on their neighbors and Iran, I'll choose Iran every time.

Because supporting functioning democracies which maintain rights for its citizens and minority groups such as LGBTS is so mainstream.

[Disserbia]

israel almost wiped out palestine off the map and is in the process of permanently doing so israel kills women children infants newborns babies pregnant women old people disabled people people in general that aren't Resistance fighters dont tell me hamas fatah or hezbollah have no right to fire rockets at isarel when they do the same and kill 10X the amount of people hamas fatah and hezbollah killed combined since 1948

Palestinians have a right to lob missiles at Isreal?

Ok how about this.

You live in an urban center like Manhattan etc., have for all your life. Your parents lived their, your grandparents lived their, their parents lived their etc. Yet some separatist group in the suburbs suddenly decides they don't like you living there no more. They start firing missiles into your neighborhood. Maybe they kill a few kids on the way to school, and old couple out for a walk.... How does that strike you as a resistance? Its terrorism. Israel has every right to defend against terrorist that threaten its national; security.

Israel exists because the UN passed a declaration declaring their right to exist. What about that don't you understand, why is it necessary to wipe it off the map?

Israel broke the ceasefire, that's why Hamas started firing rockets. Was it right of them to do this? No, were the the aggressors, no. Additionally people besides Hamas who fire rockets and try to frame Hamas is not actually something you can blame Hamas for, and while these people were responsible for firing all the rockets they did do some of it. The more you know.

[Priory Academy USSR]

I'm on Israel's side. in the unlikely/impossible event that Iran attacks Israel with nukes, Israel's small size will mean that it would be totally obliterated. Anyway, Israel has a right to distrust Arab countries after all the wars they've been through.
I think the reason lots of people dislike Israel is because they don't understand why they do things. People in the West have never recently been in fear of their own soveriegnty, since any 'enemy' would be too far away. But with Israel, the 'enemy' are just around the corner every day and the government will do anything to make sure that they stay safe.

[Disserbia]

I'm on Israel's side. in the unlikely/impossible event that Iran attacks Israel with nukes, Israel's small size will mean that it would be totally obliterated. Anyway, Israel has a right to distrust Arab countries after all the wars they've been through.
I think the reason lots of people dislike Israel is because they don't understand why they do things. People in the West have never recently been in fear of their own soveriegnty, since any 'enemy' would be too far away. But with Israel, the 'enemy' are just around the corner every day and the government will do anything to make sure that they stay safe.

Don't make assumptions about people's life experiences because they have different views than you. Iran and the Arab world have a right to distrust Israel after all the wars they've been through as well. Unfortunately in wars the morals of both sides are severely mired.

[New Abooutland]

iran there not a bunch of terrorists and i do not want to be on the losing side (Israel Or the OBAMA kissers)

[Kemaliste]

And extreme religious/white western nationalism makes you ignore the fact that Israel is a bloody terrorist state.

Your extreme left liberalism makes you reflexively hate the single liberal democratic state in the Middle East that isn't controlled by Islamists or a military dictatorship. Terrorists? Hardly.

I don't hate Israel. I don't even care about what's Israel is doing around her borders. But Israel is threatening Iran, our neighbour which I can't ignore. And people support it because they are religious/white nationalists. And those people are supposed to be liberal or something, whatever. They are fully hypocritical, that's all.

And yes I hate the each country in the Middle East ruled from Washington. Just like Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Qatar.

[EggyBaby]

China and Russia won't dare to piss off the US and the rest of the West.

Literally all China has to do is raise America's interest levels by 2 percent and the USA will be toast

[Kemaliste]

If there is no agreement between the two, how then, is it being violated?

Yes there is no an agreement signed by Israel and Iran just like Treaty of Guarantee which could justify a possible action of Israel.

And just because they have different religious beliefs to you makes them evil? Saudi Arabia will probably strike Iran first for whatever reasons it has.

When did I say something like that ? my country shares the same sect with them but I know that our people are not sectarianist. But those brutal kingdoms are totally sectarianist and they don't recognize any other sect rather than Wahhabism or brutal Sunnism. That's why they've taken sides against Iran and Syria where the rulers are Alevi or Shia, and their big brothers encourage them as those two do not obey American imperialism.

Considering most of the Arab armour and equipment was also modern, it was a great show of power. The Arabs didn't know how to use it properly. Israel did and that is why they will win.

I believe that Iran knows how to manage a war. Israel was brave enough to attack those shitty countries in the past, why can't they attack now in the same way ? they have no balls to do that ?

Yeah, I'm agnostic and not a white nationalist. Because there is no single "white nation" and even if there were, I still wouldn't support it.

I will not buy it.

[SD_Film Artists]

Well.... one side is calling us the "Great Devil!!1" and the other is a relatively large trade partner.

[Shuggy555]

Well.... one side is calling us the "Great Devil!!1" and the other is a relatively large trade partner.

Well, with all the sanctions and evil glares, can you blame them?

[SD_Film Artists]

Well.... one side is calling us the "Great Devil!!1" and the other is a relatively large trade partner.

Well, with all the sanctions and evil glares, can you blame them?

Chicken or the egg?

[Shuggy555]

Well, with all the sanctions and evil glares, can you blame them?

Chicken or the egg?

Well, america did mess around with iranian politics until the 1979 revolution and hostage situation then they attacked iran in 1988 which also had the effect of shooting down a iranian passanger plane...

I think america is the one to blame here, if they didn't mess with iran so much, there wouldn't be as much hate...

[Chinese Regions]

Neither, I am against Israel but that does not mean I support Iran, I wont follow the "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" rule that has caused many deaths in human history.

Why are you Anti-Israel?

Because Palestine of course.

[Melas]

Why are you Anti-Israel?

Because Palestine of course.

agreed

[SD_Film Artists]

Chicken or the egg?

Well, america did mess around with iranian politics until the 1979 revolution and hostage situation then they attacked iran in 1988 which also had the effect of shooting down a iranian passanger plane...

I think america is the one to blame here, if they didn't mess with iran so much, there wouldn't be as much hate...

I should have mentioned that I'm British, not American. But either way, Iran has been the aggressor in the last 20 years. I think that's more important than the rights and wrongs of the Shah several decades ago.

[Tehraan]

If both the US and Israel seized to be hostile to Iran, its government will no longer be able to legitimize itself. I think a large part of what has prevented the major democratic movements from succeeding in Iran is because of hostility from Israel and the US is galvanizing support of the population in favor of the theocracy. Without the apparent threat of an outside force Iran's regime can no longer present itself as the defenders of the nation.

Of course this doesn't matter for the US or Israel because their intentions have little to do with the well being of the Iranian people and more with save guarding their own interests. But that's a long story.

[SD_Film Artists]

Why are you Anti-Israel?

Because Palestine of course.

On that issue, I support a two-state solution as they're both as bad as eachother.

[Kemaliste]

Because Palestine of course.

On that issue, I support a two-state solution as they're both as bad as eachother.

Actually Palestine under Fatah's rule would be much more democratic and secular than theocratic Israel.

[Napkiraly]

China and Russia won't dare to piss off the US and the rest of the West.

Literally all China has to do is raise America's interest levels by 2 percent and the USA will be toast

And if America's economy goes bye-bye, then so does the Chinese economy. Which means all those Chinese workers are going to be really pissed-I think we all know what happens to authoritarian regimes when its pissed off the the people.

[Duck Duck Evolution]

Iran. Now, let's not get involved and just watch, m'kay?

[Petrovsegratsk]

I'm pretty sure by now you've heard that Iran has been trying to develope nukes, and that Israel and the U.S. are trying to stop them from going nuclear . Iran on the other hand is backed by Russia and China. If this leads to war the sides would probably be Iran, Russia, China VS Israel , the U.S. and the E.U. So who's side are you on?

Israel.

Israel did nothing to Iran, so they should fuck off.