Who's side are you on Israel or Iran?

[Wamitoria]

Nations like the US have the raw military and economic power capable of reducing Iran to naught but rubble and corpses.

Because they're simply stronger, more developed, more economically successful than Iran.

This all might be true, but the Persian people are not afraid. I wasn't trying to say that Iran could ever win in a war against the United States and Israel (although they could if Russia and China pulled through....) but I was trying to say how Persians are not afraid of others.

Russia and China wouldn't help. To be quite honest, nuclear weapons are the single greatest threat to Iranian national sovereignty. You all have experienced war before yet I have a strange feeling that the Iranian leadership does not truly understand why the US is actually opposed to them having nuclear weapons. It's not that the US is worried they won't be able to invade Iran if Iran gets weapons. And it's not proliferation either (we know that Iran isn't stupid enough to give weapons to Hezbollah or Hamas).

If Iran gets nukes, then the rest of the middle east is going to want nukes. I don't know about you, but the idea of a nuclear-armed Saudi Arabia is a fuckton scarier than the idea of a nuclear Iran.

[Stuker National Socialist North Amerika]

If its Israel vs. Iran, definitely Iran. I hate jews and the genicidal state of Israel so i'd like nothing more then to see that nation turned to ashes (and given back to Palestine). But if its U.S. vs. Iran... U.S., I dont feel like having bombs and missiles droped apon me. Haha

[Suidwes-Afrika]

If its Israel vs. Iran, definitely Iran. I hate jews and the genicidal state of Israel so i'd like nothing more then to see that nation turned to ashes (and given back to Palestine). But if its U.S. vs. Iran... U.S., I dont feel like having bombs and missiles droped apon me. Haha

If the nation is turned to ashes, you would be giving the Palestinians back ashes. Why would they want them then?

[Disserbia]

He said he dislikes zionism, not that he thinks Israel should not exist. Not everyone in Israel is a zionist and not everyone who supports the state of Israel is a zionist either. He also criticized Iran and Assad. Nowhere in that post did he make the claim you said he is stop putting words in people's mouths.

ZIONISM
noun
a worldwide Jewish movement that resulted in the establishment and development of the state of Israel.

Despite what pricks like the Likud Party would have you believe, you don't have to be a chest-pounding religious nut in order to be a Zionist in Israel. In fact, the Labor Party of Israel, a political party that supports a two-state solution and is opposed to war with Iran, is avowedly Zionist.

It effected the development of the state of Israel that does not mean that that defines the word. A lot of things contributed to the development of the state of Israel.

[Vassel]

I am with Iran.
Also,how would the EU join this?

[Wamitoria]

Despite what pricks like the Likud Party would have you believe, you don't have to be a chest-pounding religious nut in order to be a Zionist in Israel. In fact, the Labor Party of Israel, a political party that supports a two-state solution and is opposed to war with Iran, is avowedly Zionist.

It effected the development of the state of Israel that does not mean that that defines the word. A lot of things contributed to the development of the state of Israel.

Particularily Zionism. And the British.

[Disserbia]

I'm agreeing with you. I agree completely. It is apartheid.

wrong person i was talking to the other guy the one who said i made baseless acusations and i agree with you you are smart unlike some poeple on this form you arent blind

Its hard to ignore blatant hypocrisy that adversely effects so many people. Injustice is not something I am a fan of.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

I hate jews... "genicidal state of Israel..." i'd like nothing more then to see that nation turned to ashes

Ummm...?

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

Why in the Hell would I support a genocidal theocracy based off of eliminating everyone of a different religion? Atleast Israel doesnt want to genocide people based off of religion. Israel has my support.

[Wamitoria]

I'm agreeing with you. I agree completely. It is apartheid.

wrong person i was talking to the other guy the one who said i made baseless acusations and i agree with you you are smart unlike some poeple on this form you arent blind

Wait, me?

The "quote" button is your friend dude.

[Wamitoria]

Why in the Hell would I support a genocidal theocracy based off of eliminating everyone of a different religion?

Nobody's asking you to support the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan.

Oh, wait, you were talking about Iran. Excuse me while a facepalm again.

[Costa Fiero]

Since the last time I checked there was not an agreement between Israel and Iran which ensures the safety of Jewish minority in Iran and gives Israel the right to interfere if the agreement is violated.

If there is no agreement between the two, how then, is it being violated?

Saudi Arabia and Kuwait are sectarianist American puppets. I would not even be surprised if they fought along with Israel.

And just because they have different religious beliefs to you makes them evil? Saudi Arabia will probably strike Iran first for whatever reasons it has.

Yes, I saw. One side with an army with great technological equipments and one side with armies with camels. Well, even my father could beat San Marino, Liechtenstein, Andorra, Papue New Guinea and Madagasar united. What a great show-off of power.

Considering most of the Arab armour and equipment was also modern, it was a great show of power. The Arabs didn't know how to use it properly. Israel did and that is why they will win.

And extreme religious/white western nationalism makes you ignore the fact that Israel is a bloody terrorist state.

Yeah, I'm agnostic and not a white nationalist. Because there is no single "white nation" and even if there were, I still wouldn't support it.

[Venetoland]

Neither. Iran is a totalitarian theocracy, and Israel is a terroristic police state.

Cite? (WRT to Israel)

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

Why in the Hell would I support a genocidal theocracy based off of eliminating everyone of a different religion?

Nobody's asking you to support the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan.

Oh, wait, you were talking about Iran. Excuse me while a facepalm again.

I meant if I had to support one. Iran has publicly called for the extermination of Israel and has actively tried to uptain nuclear weapons to make it happen, I dont want another holocaust.

[Wamitoria]

Nobody's asking you to support the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan.

Oh, wait, you were talking about Iran. Excuse me while a facepalm again.

I meant if I had to support one. Iran has publicly called for the extermination of Israel and has actively tried to uptain nuclear weapons to make it happen, I dont want another holocaust.

They're obtaining weapons out of the belief that it will guarantee their safety from foreign invasion, not because they want to start a war with Israel or exterminate Jews.

[Myrensis]

Isn't this funny. I sure as hell don't consider Israel as an aggressor. Tell me, what happened in 1974 Kemaliste?

Exactly what elements of the Iranian military were involved in the Yom Kippur War?

Saudi Arabia has more power than Iran does. Kuwait has more power than Iran does. The Iranian military is equipped with mostly outdated equipment and is inept as a fighting force. We're talking about a country that used infantry wave tactics in the 1980's.

So why, and this was even before the issue of nuclear power came up, is the rest of the Middle East so bed wetting terrified of Iran, if even Kuwait is more powerful? Iran is technologically inferior yes, but they do not suffer from nearly the same level of endemic ineptitude that has allowed Israel to stomp numerically superior Arab armies so often.

Yes, Iran used infantry wave tactics in the 80's, and managed to hold out for 9 years against an enemy that by the end of the war had nearly 5 times the number of tanks, aircraft and artillery, and the support of multiple major western powers. I'm not sure what your definition of 'inept' is, but the more common one wouldn't seem to apply.

You really haven't seen what happened in 1967 and 1973 have you? Israel is more the capable of taking on Iran.

If they shared a border and Iran invaded, maybe. The Israeli Defense Force is very good at what it does, defending Israel. It in no way, shape or form has the capability to conduct an extended war (and necessary occupation), of a nation 1000 miles away across territory where their welcome is questionable at best.

[North Arabia]

He said he dislikes zionism, not that he thinks Israel should not exist. Not everyone in Israel is a zionist and not everyone who supports the state of Israel is a zionist either. He also criticized Iran and Assad. Nowhere in that post did he make the claim you said he is stop putting words in people's mouths.

ZIONISM
noun
a worldwide Jewish movement that resulted in the establishment and development of the state of Israel.

Despite what pricks like the Likud Party would have you believe, you don't have to be a chest-pounding religious nut in order to be a Zionist in Israel. In fact, the Labor Party of Israel, a political party that supports a two-state solution and is opposed to war with Iran, is avowedly Zionist.

2 state solution is a fail west bank and gaza combined is barely a state

[Cresilia]

Yeah, extreme nationalisation does tend to make you blind to the crimes of your own government.

And extreme religious/white western nationalism makes you ignore the fact that Israel is a bloody terrorist state.

Your extreme left liberalism makes you reflexively hate the single liberal democratic state in the Middle East that isn't controlled by Islamists or a military dictatorship. Terrorists? Hardly.

[Fr33domland]

Neither. Anyone who is not a member of either country and supports going to war needs to be imprisoned for public endangerment.

[Cresilia]

If its Israel vs. Iran, definitely Iran. I hate jews and the genicidal state of Israel so i'd like nothing more then to see that nation turned to ashes (and given back to Palestine). But if its U.S. vs. Iran... U.S., I dont feel like having bombs and missiles droped apon me. Haha

So blind Antisemitism here? Almost par for the course on NSG.

[Zirconim]

Neither.

[Cresilia]

israel almost wiped out palestine off the map and is in the process of permanently doing so israel kills women children infants newborns babies pregnant women old people disabled people people in general that aren't Resistance fighters dont tell me hamas fatah or hezbollah have no right to fire rockets at isarel when they do the same and kill 10X the amount of people hamas fatah and hezbollah killed combined since 1948

Palestinians have a right to lob missiles at Isreal?

Ok how about this.

You live in an urban center like Manhattan etc., have for all your life. Your parents lived their, your grandparents lived their, their parents lived their etc. Yet some separatist group in the suburbs suddenly decides they don't like you living there no more. They start firing missiles into your neighborhood. Maybe they kill a few kids on the way to school, and old couple out for a walk.... How does that strike you as a resistance? Its terrorism. Israel has every right to defend against terrorist that threaten its national; security.

Israel exists because the UN passed a declaration declaring their right to exist. What about that don't you understand, why is it necessary to wipe it off the map?

[Deus Est Machina]

I'm extremely suspicious of both of them. Hell, they can wipe each other off the map for all I care. One is a repressive theocratic government, and the other is a repressive apartheid theocratic government. No thanks!

I would encourage them to play nice, but I think its beyond that at this point.

[Costa Fiero]

Exactly what elements of the Iranian military were involved in the Yom Kippur War?

Tell me, did you read the post I was referring to? He said he didn't side with the aggressors and yet supports the continued aggression against Cyprus and the occupation of Northern Cyprus, thus pointing out that his viewpoint is hypocritical.

So why, and this was even before the issue of nuclear power came up, is the rest of the Middle East so bed wetting terrified of Iran, if even Kuwait is more powerful? Iran is technologically inferior yes, but they do not suffer from nearly the same level of endemic ineptitude that has allowed Israel to stomp numerically superior Arab armies so often.

If I knew the answer I would be able to tell you but it is more to do with the various royal families wanting to cling onto power.

Yes, Iran used infantry wave tactics in the 80's, and managed to hold out for 9 years against an enemy that by the end of the war had nearly 5 times the number of tanks, aircraft and artillery, and the support of multiple major western powers. I'm not sure what your definition of 'inept' is, but the more common one wouldn't seem to apply.

They were fighting against Iraq, the country which cut loose and ran when the Coalition appeared on the horizon in 1991. If Iran couldn't defeat them, what makes you think that Iran could defeat Israel?

If they shared a border and Iran invaded, maybe. The Israeli Defense Force is very good at what it does, defending Israel. It in no way, shape or form has the capability to conduct an extended war (and necessary occupation), of a nation 1000 miles away across territory where their welcome is questionable at best.

Neither does Iran. But I wasn't hinting at an occupation, rather a simple strike or air defence engagement.

[Secruss]

I'm extremely suspicious of both of them. Hell, they can wipe each other off the map for all I care. One is a repressive theocratic government, and the other is a repressive apartheid theocratic government. No thanks!

I would encourage them to play nice, but I think its beyond that at this point.

I feel your sentiments. There's really no good-guys on either side. And for that matter, aren't they separated by 1000 miles?