I Forget, Does Assassination Count as Terrorism?

[No true scotsman]

Basically the message becomes: if you dare do this, prepare for retribution.

Doesn't that make police terrorists or judges?

Maybe it matters if you're operating within the law?

[Skama]

I was just nitpicking. e.g: terrorism, which the word itself says nothing about law or not, so it's still terror, in a way

[Oratiana]

It's pretty much definitive 'terrorism', but I don't think the courts or the government are going to SAY that, because it's bad politics.

fbi's definition of terrorism: The unlawful use of force or violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a Government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives.


based on this definition, the killer's intent is key in defining whether this is an act of terrorism. if this man confesses to trying to desuade people from getting an abortion, that's terrorism. if there is sufficient evidence that he was a member of an anti-abortion group, it could be considered terrorism. if he just hated the doctor, that's murder.

[Saint Jade IV]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/06/01/abortion.dan.holman/

This is one of the most disgusting things I have ever read. Ever.

[You-Gi-Owe]

I am a very imperfect person.

There is a part of me that feels this was a very late term abortion.

[Muravyets]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/06/01/abortion.dan.holman/

This is one of the most disgusting things I have ever read. Ever.

Holy shit. That's not just disgusting. It's terrifying.

[Muravyets]

I am a very imperfect person.

There is a part of me that feels this was a very late term abortion.

There's a part of me that wants to ask, "And just what the fuck is that supposed to mean, eh?"

But the main part of me prevails, and it says that it's obvious enough what you mean that it lets me off the hook of ever paying attention to anything you ever say about anything ever again. What point is there in questioning a bark?

[Dempublicents1]

and there is a good case to be made that those who can't seem to make it to church regularly don't really take their religion seriously enough to be concerned with.

Not really.

[Muravyets]

I just heard Rachel Maddow say something germane to this topic:

Earlier this year, rightwing Republicans like John Boehner and Michelle Bachman blasted the Obama Homeland Security Department and called for HDS Secretary Janet Napolitano to be removed because she supposedly released a security report talking about the potential for rising danger from domestic rightwing extremist groups. The rightwingers who denounced Napolitano for releasing that report conveniently ignored the facts that the report had actually been commissioned by Bush and that it gave equal warnings against leftwing extremist groups.

But setting aside their hypocritical bullshit for a moment, the said report specifically mentioned potential increasing danger from extremist groups "focused on a single issue" such as abortion and "sovereign citizens" groups (i.e. separatists) such as a group called "The Freemen."

Maddow then stated that, according to released FBI information, the murderer of Dr. Tiller was known to have been associated with BOTH anti-abortion groups and The Freemen.

So, yeah, I think it's pretty obvious that assassination can indeed be terrorism and I will go so far as to say it can also be pretty clearly connected to terrorist groups.

[Saint Jade IV]

I am a very imperfect person.

There is a part of me that feels this was a very late term abortion.

I second Murayvets.

[Gauntleted Fist]

I am a very imperfect person.

There is a part of me that feels this was a very late term abortion.

Yes, because being pro-choice and doing what he trained to do obviously justifies being murdered. I love this train of thought.

[The Black Forrest]

And, lest you forget, c. 40,000,000 deaths by abortion... but of course that's not important in the face of choice.

Actually, no it isn't important. Why does that matter? Is it an acceptable reason for murder? What if he stopped at 39999999?

Hey I know since you just his murder by the fact he murdered. We should murder his killer and then murder that killer and so on and so and so. After awhile the question of abortion is left the final murderer.

Why stop there? If I can use your logic, the fact you condone it; does that not make you target?

Here is what I really find odd about this thread. Where has there been any report that the killer was pro or anti anything?

Google is a neat tool; use it.

On what evidence are people deciding this had anything to do with abortion. It is the usual mindless lemmings being led about by the manipulative media trying to sell an ideology...

Again google is a neat tool; use it.

[Hamilay]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/06/01/abortion.dan.holman/

This is one of the most disgusting things I have ever read. Ever.

I think all abortion doctors should die and the guy who murdered Tiller is justified. But I don't advocate murder, no sir.

The cognitive dissonance hangs thick in the air. Is this shit even legal?

[Heinleinites]

You know, I'm not even going to bother. Welcome to my ignore list!

I wondered why my life had suddenly turned into a bleak, gray, morass reminiscent of a Igmnar Bergman film, and now I know. But, somehow, I expect I'll soldier on.

I figured the thread was already heavy with self-righteousness and moral grandstanding from both sides, along with long, dumb arguments about whether it was spelled 'foetus' or 'fetus', so I thought I'd go for the joke. Think of me as the illegal alien of comedy: I'll do the jokes that other people aren't willing to do.

[Intangelon]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/06/01/abortion.dan.holman/

This is one of the most disgusting things I have ever read. Ever.

I think all abortion doctors should die and the guy who murdered Tiller is justified. But I don't advocate murder, no sir.

The cognitive dissonance hangs thick in the air. Is this shit even legal?

How is that not advocating murder? Are you seriously praying for fate to take your side and take out any doctors you don't like in Final Destination/Rube Goldberg style?

You may think you've weaseled out of not calling for murder with that thinly-veiled piece of shit you decided to post, but I'm here to tell you it's not gonna pass me without a challenge.

[Free Soviets]

it gave equal warnings against leftwing extremist groups.

did it? that would be weird - all we've got is the ELF.

[Intangelon]

it gave equal warnings against leftwing extremist groups.

did it? that would be weird - all we've got is the ELF.

Earth Liberation Front
Animal Liberation Front
Earth First!
The odd assortment of idiots who torch new home construction sites (some of the same people, most likely).
Fuckwads who vandalize Hummers (I'm against Hummers, but I'm against fuckwads and vandals much more adamantly).

[Ravea]

it gave equal warnings against leftwing extremist groups.

did it? that would be weird - all we've got is the ELF.

Earth Liberation Front
Animal Liberation Front
Earth First!
The odd assortment of idiots who torch new home construction sites (some of the same people, most likely).
Fuckwads who vandalize Hummers (I'm against Hummers, but I'm against fuckwads and vandals much more adamantly).

Are you against Visigoths and Huns as well?

Sorry, lame joke, i know.

[Intangelon]

did it? that would be weird - all we've got is the ELF.

Earth Liberation Front
Animal Liberation Front
Earth First!
The odd assortment of idiots who torch new home construction sites (some of the same people, most likely).
Fuckwads who vandalize Hummers (I'm against Hummers, but I'm against fuckwads and vandals much more adamantly).

Are you against Visigoths and Huns as well?

Sorry, lame joke, i know.

Far from lame -- I applaud anyone who knows that Vandals were people before their name was appropriated to name criminals.

[Hamilay]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/06/01/abortion.dan.holman/

This is one of the most disgusting things I have ever read. Ever.

I think all abortion doctors should die and the guy who murdered Tiller is justified. But I don't advocate murder, no sir.

The cognitive dissonance hangs thick in the air. Is this shit even legal?

How is that not advocating murder? Are you seriously praying for fate to take your side and take out any doctors you don't like in Final Destination/Rube Goldberg style?

You may think you've weaseled out of not calling for murder with that thinly-veiled piece of shit you decided to post, but I'm here to tell you it's not gonna pass me without a challenge.

Obvious sarcasm is obvious.

[Ravea]

Far from lame -- I applaud anyone who knows that Vandals were people before their name was appropriated to name criminals.

I'm glad someone actually got the joke.

[Intangelon]

Obvious sarcasm is obvious.

No. No it isn't. You were being sarcastic? Where was the smiley? Listen carefully -- tone of voice is impossible to distinguish in text, okay? I thought the cognitive dissonance crack was some kind of mockery.

I apologize for reacting as though you were serious. Separate your satire from your admission of satire more effectively, please.

[Hamilay]

Obvious sarcasm is obvious.

No. No it isn't. You were being sarcastic? Where was the smiley? Listen carefully -- tone of voice is impossible to distinguish in text, okay? I thought the cognitive dissonance crack was some kind of mockery.

I apologize for reacting as though you were serious. Separate your satire from your admission of satire more effectively, please.

If you read the article you'll notice that I'm essentially paraphrasing the words of Holman and the 'is this shit even legal' comment should give you a clue that I don't support it...

I suppose that I've forgotten that with only 18 posts and the huge influx of trolls on the new forum it's difficult to make a distinction at times. No harm done.

[Intangelon]

Obvious sarcasm is obvious.

No. No it isn't. You were being sarcastic? Where was the smiley? Listen carefully -- tone of voice is impossible to distinguish in text, okay? I thought the cognitive dissonance crack was some kind of mockery.

I apologize for reacting as though you were serious. Separate your satire from your admission of satire more effectively, please.

If you read the article you'll notice that I'm essentially paraphrasing the words of Holman and the 'is this shit even legal' comment should give you a clue that I don't support it...

I suppose that I've forgotten that with only 18 posts and the huge influx of trolls on the new forum it's difficult to make a distinction at times. No harm done.

Fair enough.

[Cameroi]

refusing to kiss someone's a$$ counts as terrorism,
if someone as immature as those who came up with the label is doing the counting.