Americans Becoming More Pro-Life

[No Water No Moon]

Oh boy. Well.....You see......

I'm only 16. I know, you're probably thinking I should not commet about such things as abortion at such a young age.

Not at all. The NS terms and conditions require that you be 13 or older. If you meet that condition, then you can voice an opinion about any subject.

And it's none of my business if you stay up late. Or stay up until dawn and skip a whole night's sleep.

It's none of my business, but, I do advise you to get some sleep. Sleep knits up the ravell'd sleeves of care.

Macbeth. Nice.

[AiliailiA]

The reasons people were giving for having an abortion instead of adoption

Are you suggesting adoption as a viable alternative for abortion?

It really isn't, is it? It seems to me that a massive government subsidy for adoption/fostering would be necessary to stimulate the parenting side of the adoption market.

It's very difficult to calculate. I'm thinking of starting a thread about it. I welcome your suggestions by TG (and anyone else's suggestions too).

[Stovokor]

And unless you're a vegan, that's irrelevant.

Birth's an easy brightline people. This ain't a hard issue. If it's born and will grow up, it's a person. If it ain't born and ain't paying rent in the mother's body, abort away!

Rent!

What an excellent idea. About half a million abortions a year could be avoided, simply by giving women a good financial incentive not to abort. We should pay rent on behalf of the human fetus.

Then if the mother still wants to give up the child at birth, I'm sure some generous pro-lifer will offer to adopt it. It would only be a few hundred thousand more orphans.

Oh god no, think of the debt!...

[No Water No Moon]

Rent!

What an excellent idea. About half a million abortions a year could be avoided, simply by giving women a good financial incentive not to abort. We should pay rent on behalf of the human fetus.

Then if the mother still wants to give up the child at birth, I'm sure some generous pro-lifer will offer to adopt it. It would only be a few hundred thousand more orphans.

Oh god no, think of the debt!...

The 'Pro-life' camp will foot the bill, I'm sure.

[Lackadaisical Hopes]

I strongly believe that I and I alone have the right to choose what happens to my body. And no one can convince me otherwise.

[Tyler Schrakamp]

According to a new Gallup poll, more Americans consider themselves supporters of fetal rights. Today, 50 percent of Americans identify as "pro-life." Only 41 percent of Americans identify themselves as "pro-choice," a record low.

Among Republicans, support for fetal rights is 72 to 22 percent. Among independents, support is 47 to 41 percent. Among Democrats, 58 percent identify as "pro-choice" and 34 percent consider themselves "pro-life."

This historic poll comes after significant efforts by Republicans to restrict abortion at the state level since their victories in the 2010 midterm elections. Recently, Democrats have tried to label these attempts and Republican support for the Catholic Church against the Obama administration's efforts to force them to buy contraception a "war on women."

According to the new Gallup poll, however, most Americans do not want a complete ban on induced abortion. Rather, the average American believes that abortion should be "legal only under certain circumstances." Only 25 percent of Americans believe that abortion should be "legal under any circumstances." Though the poll was not specific, "certain circumstances" usually refers to legalized abortion in cases of maternal life or health, rape, incest, and fetal defects.

Each year, there are about 1.2 million induced abortions in the United States, most of which are elective.

NSG, why do you think support for the American right-to-life movement is growing?

'Pro-Choice' Americans At Record Low, Poll Finds

The percent of Americans who identify as "pro-choice" regarding legalized abortion is at a new low of 41 percent, according to a newly released Gallup poll. The figure is one percent lower than the previous all-time low registered by Gallup, which was in May 2009.

The decline appears to fall along party lines, with the percent of Republicans identifying as "pro-choice" decreasing from 28 percent last May, to 22 percent in this most recent poll. Democrats remain somewhat consistent, around 60 percent identify as pro-choice.

Pro-choice and pro-life was the language used in the Gallup poll questionnaire.

Potentially troubling for Democrats heading into the fall is the drop among voters who are registered as Independents identifying as "pro-choice." The survey found 41 percent of Independents identified as "pro-choice," while 47 percent identified as "pro-life," marking only the second time since 2001 that the number of "pro-life" Independents has outweighed the number of "pro-choice" Independents.

The reason for the shift in numbers is unclear, but the potential political implications may not actually be that great.

When polled on the question of legality, 52 percent of Americans said they believe that abortion should be legal "in certain circumstances." That number remains consistent with polling from May 2011.

Gallup found that 25 percent believe that abortion should be legal "in all cases," while 20 percent believe it should be illegal "in all cases." Those numbers are also consistent with polling from the same time last year.

Link: http://news.yahoo.com/pro-choice-americans-record-low-poll-finds-162145636--abc-news-politics.html

The higher fertility rate among religious conservatives than among the general population. Also, because Americans are beginning to realize that life is sacred.

[Stovokor]

The 'Pro-life' camp will foot the bill, I'm sure.

Why do I doubt that?

[AiliailiA]

Rent!

What an excellent idea. About half a million abortions a year could be avoided, simply by giving women a good financial incentive not to abort. We should pay rent on behalf of the human fetus.

Then if the mother still wants to give up the child at birth, I'm sure some generous pro-lifer will offer to adopt it. It would only be a few hundred thousand more orphans.

Oh god no, think of the debt!...

Well exactly.

I'd pay for it, but would the "personal responsiblity" ideologues pay for it? I don't think they would. I think they'd put the responsibility for caring for unwanted children on those "responsible" for the existence of the children. Then, when those people could not pay (particularly for neonatal services, but also for all the costs of raising a child) they'd turn their backs and say "not my problem".

They'd bring children into the world, blovinating about how they all deserve "a chance at life" and then abandon them. That's the pro-life agenda in a nutshell: quantity not quality of human lives.

"Go forth an multiply all the problems of the world". It's a despicable and barbaric ideology. It was wrong a thousand years ago, it was wrong two or five thousand years ago. It's just wrong.

[AiliailiA]

I strongly believe that I and I alone have the right to choose what happens to my body. And no one can convince me otherwise.

Strongly supporting your right to change gender. You can have my tax money for that bro/sis.

You know you won't be able to get pregnant, though?

[Cromarty]

I strongly believe that I and I alone have the right to choose what happens to my body. And no one can convince me otherwise.

Strongly supporting your right to change gender. You can have my tax money for that bro/sis.

You know you won't be able to get pregnant, though?

LH isn't Lacky

[Laerod]

The higher fertility rate among religious conservatives than among the general population. Also, because Americans are beginning to realize that life is sacred.

I'd propose that a lot of people that lean towards pro-choice don't realize they are pro-choice because of the systematic disinformation campaigns by the anti-abortion crowd. Better worded polls tend to support that assessment.

[Stovokor]

The higher fertility rate among religious conservatives than among the general population. Also, because Americans are beginning to realize that life is sacred.

Life sacred? I find this concept laughable in the context of religion, since such institutions prove on a daily basis how meaningless life can be.

[Khadgar]

The higher fertility rate among religious conservatives than among the general population. Also, because Americans are beginning to realize that life is sacred.

All life is sacred? Because I commit germ genocide on a daily basis.

[Divair]

The hell is going on in the US? Moving backwards, are you?

[Farnhamia]

The hell is going on in the US? Moving backwards, are you?

You know how the planets sometimes appear to move backwards in their orbits because the Earth is moving, too? It's like that. We generally progress but sometimes we appear to regress.

[Divair]

The hell is going on in the US? Moving backwards, are you?

You know how the planets sometimes appear to move backwards in their orbits because the Earth is moving, too? It's like that. We generally progress but sometimes we appear to regress.

Just like in the south regarding LGBT rights?

Hopefully this turns around soon.

[Khadgar]

The hell is going on in the US? Moving backwards, are you?

Sampling bias I'd say. Look at the graph, it wavers up and down by 9 points in a couple years. That can't be accurate.

[Farnhamia]

You know how the planets sometimes appear to move backwards in their orbits because the Earth is moving, too? It's like that. We generally progress but sometimes we appear to regress.

Just like in the south regarding LGBT rights?

Hopefully this turns around soon.

Indeed.

@Khadgar: It may be sampling bias, but that's disappointing, seeing how it's Gallup. If the OP had posted a Rasmussen poll, that would be understandable.

[Alaje]

The hell is going on in the US? Moving backwards, are you?

The US and the World have been going downhill for quite a time, Liberals and Conservatives fuck everything up.

[Divair]

The hell is going on in the US? Moving backwards, are you?

Sampling bias I'd say. Look at the graph, it wavers up and down by 9 points in a couple years. That can't be accurate.

I was thinking that might be it. Nothing concerning abortion has really come up for a while, so such a rapid change is.. unreasonable, to say the least.

[Auralia]

Actually, the Gallup Poll asks another question about that:

personal morality =/= what you think others should do.

This begs the question - why apply moral standards to yourself but not others?

[Divair]

personal morality =/= what you think others should do.

This begs the question - why apply moral standards to yourself but not others?

Because morals are subjective.

[Alaje]

This begs the question - why apply moral standards to yourself but not others?

Because morals are subjective.

If that's the case no one's morals matter, and all laws are subjective.

[Divair]

Because morals are subjective.

If that's the case no one's morals matter, and all laws are subjective.

Morals =/= laws.

Laws = based on rights and occasionally efficiency/survival.

[The Antillean Confederation]

Though I personally disapprove of aborting unborn children for any reason other than medical emergency, I will defend to the death other people's decision to do so.

This.