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On the issue of abortion, do you consider yourself pro-life or pro-choice?

Pro-life (American)
255
25%
Pro-life (non-American)
65
6%
Pro-choice (American)
391
39%
Pro-choice (non-American)
245
24%
No opinion (American)
28
3%
No opinion (non-American)
17
2%
 
Total votes : 1001

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Postby Ifreann » Thu May 24, 2012 4:05 am

Magmia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Except the rich mothers, they'll probably take a trip abroad for their abortions.



Should infertile women also be excluded? Maybe even women who aren't pregnant?

I meant that men should not be debating about abortion since they are not the ones getting pregnant......

Infertile women aren't the ones getting pregnant either. And women who aren't pregnant aren't the ones decided whether to have an abortion or not.

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Postby AiliailiA » Thu May 24, 2012 4:05 am

Laerod wrote:
Ailiailia wrote:
I think pro-choice debaters probably are going to too far if they say that sperm are germs, or that fetuses are parasites.

Here's the thing though, referring to a fetus as parasitic is factually correct while referring to it as an infant or newborn is not.


A fetus may be a "parasite" in a biological sense, but surely when a woman welcomes it in her body it has some other quality?

Like that it carries on her genes, or provides her with a child which she wants. Isn't it more like a symbiote in that case, which serves her interests as well as its own?
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Postby Magmia » Thu May 24, 2012 4:08 am

Ifreann wrote:
Magmia wrote:I meant that men should not be debating about abortion since they are not the ones getting pregnant......

Infertile women aren't the ones getting pregnant either. And women who aren't pregnant aren't the ones decided whether to have an abortion or not.

Dude you took that way to seriously, I just feel like $hit and needed to vent, thats all

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Postby Ifreann » Thu May 24, 2012 4:11 am

Magmia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Infertile women aren't the ones getting pregnant either. And women who aren't pregnant aren't the ones decided whether to have an abortion or not.

Dude you took that way to seriously, I just feel like $hit and needed to vent, thats all

You feel like shit because men have opinions on abortion? DWI.

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Postby AiliailiA » Thu May 24, 2012 4:12 am

Magmia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Except the rich mothers, they'll probably take a trip abroad for their abortions.



Should infertile women also be excluded? Maybe even women who aren't pregnant?

I meant that men should not be debating about abortion since they are not the ones getting pregnant......


Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.
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Ifreann wrote:
DnalweN acilbupeR wrote:
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Postby Laerod » Thu May 24, 2012 4:13 am

Magmia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Except the rich mothers, they'll probably take a trip abroad for their abortions.



Should infertile women also be excluded? Maybe even women who aren't pregnant?

I meant that men should not be debating about abortion since they are not the ones getting pregnant......

Arguably, we shouldn't be the ones deciding.

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Postby Ifreann » Thu May 24, 2012 4:14 am

Laerod wrote:
Magmia wrote:I meant that men should not be debating about abortion since they are not the ones getting pregnant......

Arguably, we shouldn't be the ones deciding.

Not until we go all Arnie/seahorse and start getting pregnant ourselves.
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Postby The Federal Republic of Auegria » Thu May 24, 2012 4:15 am

Azrael wrote:Goddammit, I voted for the wrong choice.


yeah, me too, oops.

-1 pro-life, +1 pro-choice from me.

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Postby Magmia » Thu May 24, 2012 4:18 am

Ifreann wrote:
Magmia wrote:Dude you took that way to seriously, I just feel like $hit and needed to vent, thats all

You feel like shit because men have opinions on abortion? DWI.

NO, if you look at the posts on here, you will understand why :(

a woman on here who had an abortion thought I was calling her insane and a baby killer, thats why I feel like shit :(

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Postby AiliailiA » Thu May 24, 2012 4:18 am

Magmia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Infertile women aren't the ones getting pregnant either. And women who aren't pregnant aren't the ones decided whether to have an abortion or not.

Dude you took that way to seriously, I just feel like $hit and needed to vent, thats all


Stop feeling like shit.

Do what any animal would do: slink away and recover from your injuries. Heal yourself.

Don't hang around here, asking us to heal you. Learn from your own mistakes.
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Ifreann wrote:That's not a Freudian slip. A Freudian slip is when you say one thing and mean your mother.
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Postby Laerod » Thu May 24, 2012 4:19 am

Ifreann wrote:
Laerod wrote:Arguably, we shouldn't be the ones deciding.

Not until we go all Arnie/seahorse and start getting pregnant ourselves.

Eh, even then. I don't approve of other women deciding whether someone should be allowed to have an abortion or not either.

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Postby Magmia » Thu May 24, 2012 4:20 am

Ailiailia wrote:
Magmia wrote:Dude you took that way to seriously, I just feel like $hit and needed to vent, thats all


Stop feeling like shit.

Do what any animal would do: slink away and recover from your injuries. Heal yourself.

Don't hang around here, asking us to heal you. Learn from your own mistakes.

ugh.......

Didn't askf or healing, just needed to vent, and everyone around me is asleep. So what am I to do?

Alright, shutting up now.....

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Postby AiliailiA » Thu May 24, 2012 4:28 am

Magmia wrote:
Ailiailia wrote:
Stop feeling like shit.

Do what any animal would do: slink away and recover from your injuries. Heal yourself.

Don't hang around here, asking us to heal you. Learn from your own mistakes.

ugh.......

Didn't askf or healing, just needed to vent, and everyone around me is asleep. So what am I to do?


Not vent.

You are dependent on other people. I am too. Anyone posting in General is in some small part, dependent on other people. Some of us are more dependent on this forum than others, to maintain our self-respect. I personally am recklessly dependent on it. I care way too much about what happens here.

But none of us have the right to "vent".

A belief of yours was crushed. That hurts I know. Stop begging for mercy or some kind of Undo. Slink away, and heal your wounds.
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Ifreann wrote:That's not a Freudian slip. A Freudian slip is when you say one thing and mean your mother.
Ethel mermania wrote:
Ifreann wrote:
DnalweN acilbupeR wrote:
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What are the colons meant to convey here?
In my experience Colons usually convey shit

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Postby Magmia » Thu May 24, 2012 4:31 am

Ailiailia wrote:
Magmia wrote:ugh.......

Didn't askf or healing, just needed to vent, and everyone around me is asleep. So what am I to do?


Not vent.

You are dependent on other people. I am too. Anyone posting in General is in some small part, dependent on other people. Some of us are more dependent on this forum than others, to maintain our self-respect. I personally am recklessly dependent on it. I care way too much about what happens here.

But none of us have the right to "vent".

A belief of yours was crushed. That hurts I know. Stop begging for mercy or some kind of Undo. Slink away, and heal your wounds.

I don't care about my belief, I care that I hurt another human being. Man do I really appear that self-absorbed?

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Postby AiliailiA » Thu May 24, 2012 4:37 am

Magmia wrote:
Ailiailia wrote:
Not vent.

You are dependent on other people. I am too. Anyone posting in General is in some small part, dependent on other people. Some of us are more dependent on this forum than others, to maintain our self-respect. I personally am recklessly dependent on it. I care way too much about what happens here.

But none of us have the right to "vent".

A belief of yours was crushed. That hurts I know. Stop begging for mercy or some kind of Undo. Slink away, and heal your wounds.

I don't care about my belief, I care that I hurt another human being. Man do I really appear that self-absorbed?


You're getting really twisted up about this.

What I'm saying is that you can stop talking any time, and the good people will judge you by what you say next time. Enough apologies already. What matters more is what beliefs you hold next time you comment on the subject.

It's not for me to accept your apology, though. You didn't personally offend me.

Go to bed. It will all look better in the morning. :)
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Cannot think of a name wrote:"Where's my immortality?" will be the new "Where's my jetpack?"
Maineiacs wrote:"We're going to build a canal, and we're going to make Columbia pay for it!" -- Teddy Roosevelt
Ifreann wrote:That's not a Freudian slip. A Freudian slip is when you say one thing and mean your mother.
Ethel mermania wrote:
Ifreann wrote:
DnalweN acilbupeR wrote:
: eugenics :
What are the colons meant to convey here?
In my experience Colons usually convey shit

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Postby Samuraikoku » Thu May 24, 2012 4:39 am

Pro-choice and non-American.

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Postby Magmia » Thu May 24, 2012 4:45 am

Ailiailia wrote:
Magmia wrote:I don't care about my belief, I care that I hurt another human being. Man do I really appear that self-absorbed?


You're getting really twisted up about this.

What I'm saying is that you can stop talking any time, and the good people will judge you by what you say next time. Enough apologies already. What matters more is what beliefs you hold next time you comment on the subject.

It's not for me to accept your apology, though. You didn't personally offend me.

Go to bed. It will all look better in the morning. :)

Haha. It is already morning where I live
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Postby AiliailiA » Thu May 24, 2012 4:47 am

Magmia wrote:
Ailiailia wrote:
You're getting really twisted up about this.

What I'm saying is that you can stop talking any time, and the good people will judge you by what you say next time. Enough apologies already. What matters more is what beliefs you hold next time you comment on the subject.

It's not for me to accept your apology, though. You didn't personally offend me.

Go to bed. It will all look better in the morning. :)

Haha. It is already morning where I live


Shift worker?
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Cannot think of a name wrote:"Where's my immortality?" will be the new "Where's my jetpack?"
Maineiacs wrote:"We're going to build a canal, and we're going to make Columbia pay for it!" -- Teddy Roosevelt
Ifreann wrote:That's not a Freudian slip. A Freudian slip is when you say one thing and mean your mother.
Ethel mermania wrote:
Ifreann wrote:
DnalweN acilbupeR wrote:
: eugenics :
What are the colons meant to convey here?
In my experience Colons usually convey shit

NSG junkie. Getting good shit for free, why would I give it up?

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Postby Magmia » Thu May 24, 2012 4:49 am

Ailiailia wrote:
Magmia wrote:Haha. It is already morning where I live


Shift worker?

Oh boy. Well.....You see......

I'm only 16. I know, you're probably thinking I should not commet about such things as abortion at such a young age.

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Postby Inter de Milano » Thu May 24, 2012 4:52 am

Now thats a good thing. If only the Democratic Party would become more pro life...
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Postby AiliailiA » Thu May 24, 2012 4:57 am

Magmia wrote:
Ailiailia wrote:
Shift worker?

Oh boy. Well.....You see......

I'm only 16. I know, you're probably thinking I should not commet about such things as abortion at such a young age.


Not at all. The NS terms and conditions require that you be 13 or older. If you meet that condition, then you can voice an opinion about any subject.

And it's none of my business if you stay up late. Or stay up until dawn and skip a whole night's sleep.

It's none of my business, but, I do advise you to get some sleep. Sleep knits up the ravell'd sleeves of care.
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Cannot think of a name wrote:"Where's my immortality?" will be the new "Where's my jetpack?"
Maineiacs wrote:"We're going to build a canal, and we're going to make Columbia pay for it!" -- Teddy Roosevelt
Ifreann wrote:That's not a Freudian slip. A Freudian slip is when you say one thing and mean your mother.
Ethel mermania wrote:
Ifreann wrote:
DnalweN acilbupeR wrote:
: eugenics :
What are the colons meant to convey here?
In my experience Colons usually convey shit

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Postby The Jahistic Unified Republic » Thu May 24, 2012 5:00 am

Genivaria wrote:Next thing you know Sperm cells will be considered human, which would make masturbation Genocide.

Funyn of how pro life people thinks life begins at conception... conception means sperm touches egg... your point is moot.

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Postby Magmia » Thu May 24, 2012 5:00 am

Ailiailia wrote:
Magmia wrote:Oh boy. Well.....You see......

I'm only 16. I know, you're probably thinking I should not commet about such things as abortion at such a young age.


Not at all. The NS terms and conditions require that you be 13 or older. If you meet that condition, then you can voice an opinion about any subject.

And it's none of my business if you stay up late. Or stay up until dawn and skip a whole night's sleep.

It's none of my business, but, I do advise you to get some sleep. Sleep knits up the ravell'd sleeves of care.

Yeah, an afternoon nap will definitly be in order 8)

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Postby Cromarty » Thu May 24, 2012 5:02 am

Magmia wrote:The reasons people were giving for having an abortion instead of adoption

Are you suggesting adoption as a viable alternative for abortion?
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Postby AiliailiA » Thu May 24, 2012 5:04 am

The Jahistic Unified Republic wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Next thing you know Sperm cells will be considered human, which would make masturbation Genocide.

Funyn of how pro life people thinks life begins at conception... conception means sperm touches egg... your point is moot.


"Next thing you know" is a huge tell, that what follows isn't the sincere opinion of the writer.

Congrats on saying "moot" instead of "mute" though.
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Ifreann wrote:That's not a Freudian slip. A Freudian slip is when you say one thing and mean your mother.
Ethel mermania wrote:
Ifreann wrote:
DnalweN acilbupeR wrote:
: eugenics :
What are the colons meant to convey here?
In my experience Colons usually convey shit

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