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On the issue of abortion, do you consider yourself pro-life or pro-choice?

Pro-life (American)
255
25%
Pro-life (non-American)
65
6%
Pro-choice (American)
391
39%
Pro-choice (non-American)
245
24%
No opinion (American)
28
3%
No opinion (non-American)
17
2%
 
Total votes : 1001

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Zeppy
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Postby Zeppy » Fri Jun 08, 2012 6:39 pm

Blakk Metal wrote:One can still use that argument on men. After all, they don't have two X-chromosomes like a real person would.

One is almost completely ignored.

Males and females have about the same amount of genetic information.

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Postby Blakk Metal » Fri Jun 08, 2012 6:39 pm

Christian Democrats wrote:
Blakk Metal wrote:There are 7 recorded cases of such.

Link?

Look it up on google.

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Postby Tlaceceyaya » Fri Jun 08, 2012 6:42 pm

Christian Democrats wrote:
Tlaceceyaya wrote:So people with detrimental haploidy syndrome are not human beings?

You made up that condition. There is no such thing as a haploid human.

Blakk Metal wrote:By your argument, neither are people with Down Syndrome.

People suffering from Down syndrome lack no genetic material; they have a third 21st chromosome (extra genetic material).

Actually, I did not make it up. It's simply very rare, as there are only seven recorded cases.

And by your argument, then, peoples with Down syndrome are 1/46th more human than everyone else.
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Postby Blakk Metal » Fri Jun 08, 2012 6:42 pm

Tlaceceyaya wrote:
Christian Democrats wrote:You made up that condition. There is no such thing as a haploid human.


People suffering from Down syndrome lack no genetic material; they have a third 21st chromosome (extra genetic material).

Actually, I did not make it up. It's simply very rare, as there are only seven recorded cases.

And by your argument, then, peoples with Down syndrome are 1/46th more human than everyone else.

WORSHIP THE SUPERHUMANS! WORSHIP!

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Christian Democrats
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Postby Christian Democrats » Fri Jun 08, 2012 6:43 pm

Blakk Metal wrote:
Christian Democrats wrote:Link?

Look it up on google.

No, it would be impossible for someone to survive with only 23 chromosomes.
Leo Tolstoy wrote:Wrong does not cease to be wrong because the majority share in it.
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GA#175: Organ and Blood Donations Act (68%)^
SC#082: Repeal "Liberate Catholic" (80%)
GA#200: Foreign Marriage Recognition (54%)
GA#213: Privacy Protection Act (70%)
GA#231: Marital Rape Justice Act (81%)^
GA#233: Ban Profits on Workers' Deaths (80%)*
GA#249: Stopping Suicide Seeds (70%)^
GA#253: Repeal "Freedom in Medical Research" (76%)
GA#285: Assisted Suicide Act (70%)^
GA#310: Disabled Voters Act (81%)
GA#373: Repeal "Convention on Execution" (54%)
GA#468: Prohibit Private Prisons (57%)^

* denotes coauthorship
^ repealed resolution
#360: Electile Dysfunction
#452: Foetal Furore
#560: Bicameral Backlash
#570: Clerical Errors

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Zeppy
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Postby Zeppy » Fri Jun 08, 2012 6:44 pm

Christian Democrats wrote:Link?

If you like reading scientific articles

Trying to find one that involves humans.
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Postby Tubbsalot » Fri Jun 08, 2012 6:44 pm

Christian Democrats wrote:No, it would be impossible for someone to survive with only 23 chromosomes.

Yes, as you know from your extensive education in genetics and physiology. :roll:
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Postby Christian Democrats » Fri Jun 08, 2012 6:46 pm

Zeppy wrote:
Christian Democrats wrote:Link?

If you like reading scientific articles

Trying to find one that involves humans.

Yes, I know that frogs can be haploid. So can flies and some other creatures.

Humans cannot be haploid.
Leo Tolstoy wrote:Wrong does not cease to be wrong because the majority share in it.
GA#160: Forced Marriages Ban Act (79%)
GA#175: Organ and Blood Donations Act (68%)^
SC#082: Repeal "Liberate Catholic" (80%)
GA#200: Foreign Marriage Recognition (54%)
GA#213: Privacy Protection Act (70%)
GA#231: Marital Rape Justice Act (81%)^
GA#233: Ban Profits on Workers' Deaths (80%)*
GA#249: Stopping Suicide Seeds (70%)^
GA#253: Repeal "Freedom in Medical Research" (76%)
GA#285: Assisted Suicide Act (70%)^
GA#310: Disabled Voters Act (81%)
GA#373: Repeal "Convention on Execution" (54%)
GA#468: Prohibit Private Prisons (57%)^

* denotes coauthorship
^ repealed resolution
#360: Electile Dysfunction
#452: Foetal Furore
#560: Bicameral Backlash
#570: Clerical Errors

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Postby Tubbsalot » Fri Jun 08, 2012 6:47 pm

Christian Democrats wrote:Humans cannot be haploid.

I've noticed a persistent issue with your thinking, and it's that you seem to believe that things are true merely by virtue of your having stated them.

Why can't humans be haploid? Explain the mechanism by which this is forbidden, please.
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Postby Blakk Metal » Fri Jun 08, 2012 6:56 pm

Christian Democrats wrote:
Blakk Metal wrote:Look it up on google.

No, it would be impossible for someone to survive with only 23 chromosomes.

https://www.google.com/search?q=detrime ... y+syndrome
Tubbsalot wrote:
Christian Democrats wrote:Humans cannot be haploid.

I've noticed a persistent issue with your thinking, and it's that you seem to believe that things are true merely by virtue of your having stated them.

Why can't humans be haploid? Explain the mechanism by which this is forbidden, please.

IMAAAAAGINAAATION...

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Postby Christian Democrats » Fri Jun 08, 2012 6:58 pm

Blakk Metal wrote:
Christian Democrats wrote:No, it would be impossible for someone to survive with only 23 chromosomes.

https://www.google.com/search?q=detrime ... y+syndrome

A link to a Google search isn't a source. Also, notice that the fourth result is a link back to this thread.
Leo Tolstoy wrote:Wrong does not cease to be wrong because the majority share in it.
GA#160: Forced Marriages Ban Act (79%)
GA#175: Organ and Blood Donations Act (68%)^
SC#082: Repeal "Liberate Catholic" (80%)
GA#200: Foreign Marriage Recognition (54%)
GA#213: Privacy Protection Act (70%)
GA#231: Marital Rape Justice Act (81%)^
GA#233: Ban Profits on Workers' Deaths (80%)*
GA#249: Stopping Suicide Seeds (70%)^
GA#253: Repeal "Freedom in Medical Research" (76%)
GA#285: Assisted Suicide Act (70%)^
GA#310: Disabled Voters Act (81%)
GA#373: Repeal "Convention on Execution" (54%)
GA#468: Prohibit Private Prisons (57%)^

* denotes coauthorship
^ repealed resolution
#360: Electile Dysfunction
#452: Foetal Furore
#560: Bicameral Backlash
#570: Clerical Errors

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Blakk Metal
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Postby Blakk Metal » Fri Jun 08, 2012 7:00 pm

Christian Democrats wrote:

A link to a Google search isn't a source. Also, notice that the fourth result is a link back to this thread.

Read the previews from the results.

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Postby Tlaceceyaya » Fri Jun 08, 2012 7:02 pm

Christian Democrats wrote:

A link to a Google search isn't a source. Also, notice that the fourth result is a link back to this thread.

That's because it's rarely ever mentioned. However, there IS, indeed, mention of it elsewhere on the internet.
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Postby Christian Democrats » Fri Jun 08, 2012 7:04 pm

Blakk Metal wrote:
Christian Democrats wrote:A link to a Google search isn't a source. Also, notice that the fourth result is a link back to this thread.

Read the previews from the results.

I already did. Everything on there is nonscientific and cites Wikipedia, which is often inaccurate. Wikipedia lacks a citation.
Leo Tolstoy wrote:Wrong does not cease to be wrong because the majority share in it.
GA#160: Forced Marriages Ban Act (79%)
GA#175: Organ and Blood Donations Act (68%)^
SC#082: Repeal "Liberate Catholic" (80%)
GA#200: Foreign Marriage Recognition (54%)
GA#213: Privacy Protection Act (70%)
GA#231: Marital Rape Justice Act (81%)^
GA#233: Ban Profits on Workers' Deaths (80%)*
GA#249: Stopping Suicide Seeds (70%)^
GA#253: Repeal "Freedom in Medical Research" (76%)
GA#285: Assisted Suicide Act (70%)^
GA#310: Disabled Voters Act (81%)
GA#373: Repeal "Convention on Execution" (54%)
GA#468: Prohibit Private Prisons (57%)^

* denotes coauthorship
^ repealed resolution
#360: Electile Dysfunction
#452: Foetal Furore
#560: Bicameral Backlash
#570: Clerical Errors

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Postby Blakk Metal » Fri Jun 08, 2012 7:06 pm

Christian Democrats wrote:
Blakk Metal wrote:Read the previews from the results.

I already did. Everything on there is nonscientific and cites Wikipedia, which is often inaccurate. Wikipedia lacks a citation.

So do you. And Wikipedia, unlike you, has less of a reason to make up bullshit.

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Postby Christian Democrats » Fri Jun 08, 2012 7:12 pm

Blakk Metal wrote:
Christian Democrats wrote:I already did. Everything on there is nonscientific and cites Wikipedia, which is often inaccurate. Wikipedia lacks a citation.

So do you. And Wikipedia, unlike you, has less of a reason to make up bullshit.

I'm not the one on whom lies the burden of proof. I don't need to try to prove a negative.
Leo Tolstoy wrote:Wrong does not cease to be wrong because the majority share in it.
GA#160: Forced Marriages Ban Act (79%)
GA#175: Organ and Blood Donations Act (68%)^
SC#082: Repeal "Liberate Catholic" (80%)
GA#200: Foreign Marriage Recognition (54%)
GA#213: Privacy Protection Act (70%)
GA#231: Marital Rape Justice Act (81%)^
GA#233: Ban Profits on Workers' Deaths (80%)*
GA#249: Stopping Suicide Seeds (70%)^
GA#253: Repeal "Freedom in Medical Research" (76%)
GA#285: Assisted Suicide Act (70%)^
GA#310: Disabled Voters Act (81%)
GA#373: Repeal "Convention on Execution" (54%)
GA#468: Prohibit Private Prisons (57%)^

* denotes coauthorship
^ repealed resolution
#360: Electile Dysfunction
#452: Foetal Furore
#560: Bicameral Backlash
#570: Clerical Errors

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Postby Madoka Kaname » Fri Jun 08, 2012 7:28 pm

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Postby The Steel Magnolia » Fri Jun 08, 2012 7:35 pm

As much as I really hate to admit it, as I'm adamantly Pro-Choice, CD is right in that so far there hasn't been a scientific source offered up yet.

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Postby Tlaceceyaya » Fri Jun 08, 2012 7:38 pm

Christian Democrats wrote:
Blakk Metal wrote:So do you. And Wikipedia, unlike you, has less of a reason to make up bullshit.

I'm not the one on whom lies the burden of proof. I don't need to try to prove a negative.

Clicky.
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Postby Torcularis Septentrionalis » Fri Jun 08, 2012 7:48 pm

The Steel Magnolia wrote:As much as I really hate to admit it, as I'm adamantly Pro-Choice, CD is right in that so far there hasn't been a scientific source offered up yet.

It almost makes me what to become a biologist, produce a fetus with Detrimental Haploidy Syndrome, and study it hardcore.
But I'm shit at biology.
Someone else do this and write a book like, now.
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Postby Christian Democrats » Fri Jun 08, 2012 8:02 pm

Tlaceceyaya wrote:
Christian Democrats wrote:I'm not the one on whom lies the burden of proof. I don't need to try to prove a negative.

Clicky.

Thank you for providing a copy of the Wikipedia article, which has no source, on a different site.

No one has proven that humans can be haploid.
Leo Tolstoy wrote:Wrong does not cease to be wrong because the majority share in it.
GA#160: Forced Marriages Ban Act (79%)
GA#175: Organ and Blood Donations Act (68%)^
SC#082: Repeal "Liberate Catholic" (80%)
GA#200: Foreign Marriage Recognition (54%)
GA#213: Privacy Protection Act (70%)
GA#231: Marital Rape Justice Act (81%)^
GA#233: Ban Profits on Workers' Deaths (80%)*
GA#249: Stopping Suicide Seeds (70%)^
GA#253: Repeal "Freedom in Medical Research" (76%)
GA#285: Assisted Suicide Act (70%)^
GA#310: Disabled Voters Act (81%)
GA#373: Repeal "Convention on Execution" (54%)
GA#468: Prohibit Private Prisons (57%)^

* denotes coauthorship
^ repealed resolution
#360: Electile Dysfunction
#452: Foetal Furore
#560: Bicameral Backlash
#570: Clerical Errors

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Postby Blakk Metal » Fri Jun 08, 2012 8:04 pm

Christian Democrats wrote:
Tlaceceyaya wrote:Clicky.

Thank you for providing a copy of the Wikipedia article, which has no source, on a different site.

It is not a Wikipedia article.
No one has proven that humans can be haploid.

We've proven frogs can be haploid, therefore humans can too.

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Postby Christian Democrats » Fri Jun 08, 2012 8:06 pm

Blakk Metal wrote:
Christian Democrats wrote:Thank you for providing a copy of the Wikipedia article, which has no source, on a different site.

It is not a Wikipedia article.
No one has proven that humans can be haploid.

We've proven frogs can be haploid, therefore humans can too.

Go to Wikipedia, where the same article exists. The article to which you provide a link is a copy-paste from Wikipedia.

Frogs and humans are different species. It is possible for some types of frogs to be haploid but not humans.
Leo Tolstoy wrote:Wrong does not cease to be wrong because the majority share in it.
GA#160: Forced Marriages Ban Act (79%)
GA#175: Organ and Blood Donations Act (68%)^
SC#082: Repeal "Liberate Catholic" (80%)
GA#200: Foreign Marriage Recognition (54%)
GA#213: Privacy Protection Act (70%)
GA#231: Marital Rape Justice Act (81%)^
GA#233: Ban Profits on Workers' Deaths (80%)*
GA#249: Stopping Suicide Seeds (70%)^
GA#253: Repeal "Freedom in Medical Research" (76%)
GA#285: Assisted Suicide Act (70%)^
GA#310: Disabled Voters Act (81%)
GA#373: Repeal "Convention on Execution" (54%)
GA#468: Prohibit Private Prisons (57%)^

* denotes coauthorship
^ repealed resolution
#360: Electile Dysfunction
#452: Foetal Furore
#560: Bicameral Backlash
#570: Clerical Errors

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Postby Christian Democrats » Fri Jun 08, 2012 8:18 pm

A defective human somatic cell can be haploid, but an entire human being cannot be haploid.

Hypothetically, a haploid cell resulting from an error in the first division of a zygote would lead to a spontaneous abortion almost immediately thereafter because a human being cannot be haploid.

Therefore, it is fallacious to equate human gametes with unborn humans because gametes are haploid, whereas unborn humans, like born humans, have full sets of genetic information (give or take a little because of the potential for genetic defects). Human beings, born and unborn, are diploid creatures.
Leo Tolstoy wrote:Wrong does not cease to be wrong because the majority share in it.
GA#160: Forced Marriages Ban Act (79%)
GA#175: Organ and Blood Donations Act (68%)^
SC#082: Repeal "Liberate Catholic" (80%)
GA#200: Foreign Marriage Recognition (54%)
GA#213: Privacy Protection Act (70%)
GA#231: Marital Rape Justice Act (81%)^
GA#233: Ban Profits on Workers' Deaths (80%)*
GA#249: Stopping Suicide Seeds (70%)^
GA#253: Repeal "Freedom in Medical Research" (76%)
GA#285: Assisted Suicide Act (70%)^
GA#310: Disabled Voters Act (81%)
GA#373: Repeal "Convention on Execution" (54%)
GA#468: Prohibit Private Prisons (57%)^

* denotes coauthorship
^ repealed resolution
#360: Electile Dysfunction
#452: Foetal Furore
#560: Bicameral Backlash
#570: Clerical Errors

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Postby Tlaceceyaya » Fri Jun 08, 2012 8:18 pm

Christian Democrats wrote:
Tlaceceyaya wrote:Clicky.

Thank you for providing a copy of the Wikipedia article, which has no source, on a different site.

No one has proven that humans can be haploid.

It is not a copy of it. It is unrelated to wikipedia.
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Also, Bonobos.
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