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On the issue of abortion, do you consider yourself pro-life or pro-choice?

Pro-life (American)
255
25%
Pro-life (non-American)
65
6%
Pro-choice (American)
391
39%
Pro-choice (non-American)
245
24%
No opinion (American)
28
3%
No opinion (non-American)
17
2%
 
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Postby Church of Thomas Hayden » Sat Jun 02, 2012 7:17 pm

Farnhamia wrote:It's none of your business what I do with my body or how I make my reproductive choices. It really isn't. I'll not tell you how to live your life, you return the favor and don't tell me how to live mine.


Wait, wait, wait...hang on.

I have a friend who wants to test a non-FDA approved treatment for genital blastocysts using nothing but a .410 Shotgun and a ouija board.

And this guy wants something from YOUR body.

So let me broker this deal: Anti-abortionists let my friend test his revolutionary ballistic surgical method to those short-sighted cunts at the AMA, and in return, Farnhamia will forego her next menstrual cycle.

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Postby Not a pipe » Sat Jun 02, 2012 7:17 pm

Yuonela wrote:
United Arcadia wrote:Life begins at conception

They are not sentient at conception. Do you support meat eating?
Good point!

Nevertheless, my opinion about abortion is that it should be permitted in case of rape or something, but if they did it themself, it is their own fault and has to deal with consequence (although exceptions might still be possible; I am unsure).

But whatever the case, murder of a pregnant woman should not be considered double homicide; that is a stupid idea.

Also, do you like to eat human fetus? Maybe some people do, I don't know. If that is the case then according to argument above perhaps could be eating. But it is bad to just waste things. Eating is not waste, though.
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Postby Kronikta » Sat Jun 02, 2012 7:17 pm

Faeggot wrote:I haven't read the thing in a while, but didn't God order at least one war where everything alive was to be killed? That sounds closer to "murder" than expelling something that isn't even aware and can often cause you serious health problems...


There is a difference between "murder" and a divine order of the purging of the enemies of the God. They were wicked peoples who sacrificed their children on altars of fire to false gods of stone and wood. The nation itself needed to be utterly destroyed, because it was an abomination before His eyes.

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Postby Genivaria » Sat Jun 02, 2012 7:19 pm

Kronikta wrote:
Faeggot wrote:I haven't read the thing in a while, but didn't God order at least one war where everything alive was to be killed? That sounds closer to "murder" than expelling something that isn't even aware and can often cause you serious health problems...


There is a difference between "murder" and a divine order of the purging of the enemies of the God. They were wicked peoples who sacrificed their children on altars of fire to false gods of stone and wood. The nation itself needed to be utterly destroyed, because it was an abomination before His eyes.

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!!!
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Postby Church of Thomas Hayden » Sat Jun 02, 2012 7:19 pm

Kronikta wrote:
Faeggot wrote:I haven't read the thing in a while, but didn't God order at least one war where everything alive was to be killed? That sounds closer to "murder" than expelling something that isn't even aware and can often cause you serious health problems...


There is a difference between "murder" and a divine order of the purging of the enemies of the God. They were wicked peoples who sacrificed their children on altars of fire to false gods of stone and wood. The nation itself needed to be utterly destroyed, because it was an abomination before His eyes.


Is your God like the God of the Orcs or something?

Jesus, switch out a few proper nouns and you have exactly the mentality of Mussolinni or Cthulhu.

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Postby Imsogone » Sat Jun 02, 2012 7:19 pm

Yuonela wrote:
United Arcadia wrote:
That is a human being in its most basic form the instant of conception. Whether you like it or not. That is the beginning of life. Disgusting how casually today's society is willing to throw away human life. :palm:

Fuck fetuses.

What is the woman is in danger of death?


Then you let the woman die, because, clearly, she's reached her potential, and therefore is of no further use. Of course, afterwards you can sue the unaborted fetus for murdering it's mother and all of her potential unborn children.
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Postby Faeggot » Sat Jun 02, 2012 7:19 pm

Kronikta wrote:
Faeggot wrote:I haven't read the thing in a while, but didn't God order at least one war where everything alive was to be killed? That sounds closer to "murder" than expelling something that isn't even aware and can often cause you serious health problems...


There is a difference between "murder" and a divine order of the purging of the enemies of the God. They were wicked peoples who sacrificed their children on altars of fire to false gods of stone and wood. The nation itself needed to be utterly destroyed, because it was an abomination before His eyes.

"Everything alive" includes things that weren't wicked. Animals, children, babies. Babies don't sacrifice children, last I checked. Divine order could have put them up for adoption or something. Why punish them just for being in the same general area?

I think someone ended up sparing the king.

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Postby Farnhamia » Sat Jun 02, 2012 7:19 pm

Church of Thomas Hayden wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:It's none of your business what I do with my body or how I make my reproductive choices. It really isn't. I'll not tell you how to live your life, you return the favor and don't tell me how to live mine.


Wait, wait, wait...hang on.

I have a friend who wants to test a non-FDA approved treatment for genital blastocysts using nothing but a .410 Shotgun and a ouija board.

And this guy wants something from YOUR body.

So let me broker this deal: Anti-abortionists let my friend test his revolutionary ballistic surgical method to those short-sighted cunts at the AMA, and in return, Farnhamia will forego her next menstrual cycle.

I ran out of menstrual cycles years ago.
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Postby Farnhamia » Sat Jun 02, 2012 7:20 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Kronikta wrote:
There is a difference between "murder" and a divine order of the purging of the enemies of the God. They were wicked peoples who sacrificed their children on altars of fire to false gods of stone and wood. The nation itself needed to be utterly destroyed, because it was an abomination before His eyes.

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!!!

Use your indoor voice, please.
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Postby Genivaria » Sat Jun 02, 2012 7:20 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Genivaria wrote:BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!!!

Use your indoor voice, please.

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Postby Church of Thomas Hayden » Sat Jun 02, 2012 7:24 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Church of Thomas Hayden wrote:
Wait, wait, wait...hang on.

I have a friend who wants to test a non-FDA approved treatment for genital blastocysts using nothing but a .410 Shotgun and a ouija board.

And this guy wants something from YOUR body.

So let me broker this deal: Anti-abortionists let my friend test his revolutionary ballistic surgical method to those short-sighted cunts at the AMA, and in return, Farnhamia will forego her next menstrual cycle.

I ran out of menstrual cycles years ago.


Hence all are satisfied.

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Postby Church of Thomas Hayden » Sat Jun 02, 2012 7:26 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Use your indoor voice, please.

SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE!


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Postby Pyravar » Sat Jun 02, 2012 7:27 pm

Minnysota wrote:It doesn't matter if it does or not, we shouldn't be basing civil rights and legislation on the Bible.



Look instead to the teachings of the Jade Emperor
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Postby Kronikta » Sat Jun 02, 2012 7:31 pm

Church of Thomas Hayden wrote:Is your God like the God of the Orcs or something?

Jesus, switch out a few proper nouns and you have exactly the mentality of Mussolinni or Cthulhu.


I'm having trouble understanding how you came to that conclusion...

Yahweh is not a bloodthirsty God. He is actually very merciful and forgiving (remember Nineveh?)... He gave Israel NUMEROUS chances to repent over MANY years before disciplining them according to the Covenant. Elohim gave Israel specific instructions on who to annihilate and who to leave alone. They reasons I can find (I don't know all of the details of everything, so I am not in the right place to judge the actions of the Almighty) for the destruction of those nations is because their very cores were tainted by irreversible and irredeemable evil, and they were also occupying the land he promised to Israel. Many also fought against Israel, which is a fairly bad idea when they have the favor of the King and Creator of the Universe... Lesson is to NOT get Elohim pissed at you, cause then you're pretty much screwed.

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Postby Church of Thomas Hayden » Sat Jun 02, 2012 7:31 pm

Pyravar wrote:
Minnysota wrote:It doesn't matter if it does or not, we shouldn't be basing civil rights and legislation on the Bible.



Look instead to the teachings of the Jade Emperor


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Postby Nocturnylvania » Sat Jun 02, 2012 7:32 pm

Faeggot wrote:I haven't read the thing in a while, but didn't God order at least one war where everything alive was to be killed? That sounds closer to "murder" than expelling something that isn't even aware and can often cause you serious health problems...


God himself has directly performed post-birth abortions on both humans and animals alike. It says all, that includes even newly born firstborns who would have had no chance to commit a sin yet.

Exodus 12:29
"And it came to pass, that at midnight the LORD smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat on his throne unto the firstborn of the captive that was in the dungeon; and all the firstborn of cattle."
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Postby Church of Thomas Hayden » Sat Jun 02, 2012 7:33 pm

Kronikta wrote:
Church of Thomas Hayden wrote:Is your God like the God of the Orcs or something?

Jesus, switch out a few proper nouns and you have exactly the mentality of Mussolinni or Cthulhu.


I'm having trouble understanding how you came to that conclusion...

Yahweh is not a bloodthirsty God. He is actually very merciful and forgiving (remember Nineveh?)... He gave Israel NUMEROUS chances to repent over MANY years before disciplining them according to the Covenant. Elohim gave Israel specific instructions on who to annihilate and who to leave alone. They reasons I can find (I don't know all of the details of everything, so I am not in the right place to judge the actions of the Almighty) for the destruction of those nations is because their very cores were tainted by irreversible and irredeemable evil, and they were also occupying the land he promised to Israel. Many also fought against Israel, which is a fairly bad idea when they have the favor of the King and Creator of the Universe... Lesson is to NOT get Elohim pissed at you, cause then you're pretty much screwed.


So, yes. An Orc God.

A perfect all powerful being that ever has to use violence is bad at his job and needs to drop a descriptor or two.

A perfect being that gives finite chances to imperfect beings is apparently the factory irregular version of perfect.
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Postby Genivaria » Sat Jun 02, 2012 7:33 pm

Kronikta wrote:
Church of Thomas Hayden wrote:Is your God like the God of the Orcs or something?

Jesus, switch out a few proper nouns and you have exactly the mentality of Mussolinni or Cthulhu.


I'm having trouble understanding how you came to that conclusion...

Yahweh is not a bloodthirsty God. He is actually very merciful and forgiving (remember Nineveh?)... He gave Israel NUMEROUS chances to repent over MANY years before disciplining them according to the Covenant. Elohim gave Israel specific instructions on who to annihilate and who to leave alone. They reasons I can find (I don't know all of the details of everything, so I am not in the right place to judge the actions of the Almighty) for the destruction of those nations is because their very cores were tainted by irreversible and irredeemable evil, and they were also occupying the land he promised to Israel. Many also fought against Israel, which is a fairly bad idea when they have the favor of the King and Creator of the Universe... Lesson is to NOT get Elohim pissed at you, cause then you're pretty much screwed.

Yeah, how dare they live there first?
And how DARE they seek to defend their land against those who would commit genocide against them.
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Postby Simon Cowell of the RR » Sat Jun 02, 2012 7:34 pm

Kronikta wrote:
Faeggot wrote:I haven't read the thing in a while, but didn't God order at least one war where everything alive was to be killed? That sounds closer to "murder" than expelling something that isn't even aware and can often cause you serious health problems...


There is a difference between "murder" and a divine order of the purging of the enemies of the God. They were wicked peoples who sacrificed their children on altars of fire to false gods of stone and wood. The nation itself needed to be utterly destroyed, because it was an abomination before His eyes.

So it's bad. Unless it isn't. And the only thing we have to distinguish between the two is...what?
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Postby Yuonela » Sat Jun 02, 2012 7:35 pm

Kronikta wrote:
Faeggot wrote:I haven't read the thing in a while, but didn't God order at least one war where everything alive was to be killed? That sounds closer to "murder" than expelling something that isn't even aware and can often cause you serious health problems...


There is a difference between "murder" and a divine order of the purging of the enemies of the God. They were wicked peoples who sacrificed their children on altars of fire to false gods of stone and wood. The nation itself needed to be utterly destroyed, because it was an abomination before His eyes.

And yet Moab and Abraham were completely justified in offering their sacrifices? Some God you got there, buddy.
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Postby Genivaria » Sat Jun 02, 2012 7:35 pm

Simon Cowell of the RR wrote:
Kronikta wrote:
There is a difference between "murder" and a divine order of the purging of the enemies of the God. They were wicked peoples who sacrificed their children on altars of fire to false gods of stone and wood. The nation itself needed to be utterly destroyed, because it was an abomination before His eyes.

So it's bad. Unless it isn't. And the only thing we have to distinguish between the two is...what?

God declares them bad, therefore slaughtering them all except the young women is perfectly ok.
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Postby Church of Thomas Hayden » Sat Jun 02, 2012 7:38 pm

Simon Cowell of the RR wrote:
Kronikta wrote:
There is a difference between "murder" and a divine order of the purging of the enemies of the God. They were wicked peoples who sacrificed their children on altars of fire to false gods of stone and wood. The nation itself needed to be utterly destroyed, because it was an abomination before His eyes.

So it's bad. Unless it isn't. And the only thing we have to distinguish between the two is...what?


Swift and blinding violence followed by perpetual torture.

Its what George Wendell Jones called a "bright line".

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Postby Minnysota » Sat Jun 02, 2012 7:40 pm

United Arcadia wrote:Thous shalt not kill. If you actually crack your Bibles open and read intently before spouting off you'd see that God says that murder is wrong. Life begins at conception therefore it is murder. Use your brains people :palm:


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Postby Nocturnylvania » Sat Jun 02, 2012 7:43 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Simon Cowell of the RR wrote:So it's bad. Unless it isn't. And the only thing we have to distinguish between the two is...what?

God declares them bad, therefore slaughtering them all except the young women is perfectly ok.


You're mistaken on this. The word of God is quite clear on this that even young women are to be murdered smote with the edge of the sword.

Judges 21:10
And the congregation sent thither twelve thousand men of the valiantest, and commanded them, saying, Go and smite the inhabitants of Jabeshgilead with the edge of the sword, with the women and the children.
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Postby Kronikta » Sat Jun 02, 2012 7:44 pm

Church of Thomas Hayden wrote:So, yes. An Orc God.

A perfect all powerful being that ever has to use violence is bad at his job and needs to drop a descriptor or two.

A perfect being that gives finite chances to imperfect beings is apparently the factory irregular version of perfect.


Who says he is bad at his job? Do you even know what his job is? Once you know every little detail about everyone, everything, how the universe works, all the hows, whys, whens, whats, who's, and etc... then come back to me about judging the actions and character of God.

And I never said that he us a specific number of outs before whipping us... As long as we are willing to try, repent, and learn from our mistakes, he will show us mercy and grace, but if we refuse, that's when we have to worry. He is very slow to anger, but when he does get angry (and he does on occasion)... you really do not want to be the one that anger is directed at.

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