Americans Becoming More Pro-Life

[Genivaria]

Abortion is immoral because that person never had a chance at life, how ever, the death penalty is justifiable because the criminals had their chance and blew it.

By that logic masturbating or using a condom is immoral because "they never had a chance at life".
So what?

[Faeggot]

The most direct translation of the "Thou shalt not kill" commandment was closer to "Thou shalt not murder". Murder being entirely different, as it is for no reason and it only applies to people. Fetuses aren't people yet. It could arguably apply to the last month or two of pregnancy since they're mostly developed by then, but seeing as pregnancy causes pretty severe physical and psychological pain and/or harm even when going well that it could be seen as self-defense.

I have heard some argue with other Bible verses I do not know as well, and since I am not even Christian anyways I have not bothered to look into much else. The general consensus of people who could put together a decent argument was no, though.

[Rick Rollin]

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=181406

Goddamit, this is the real thread.

[The Republic of Lanos]

Source?

To whom are you referring?

The OP. I may be a center-right Catholic American but come on...

[Alyekra]

The most direct translation of the "Thou shalt not kill" commandment was closer to "Thou shalt not murder". Murder being entirely different, as it is for no reason and it only applies to people. Fetuses aren't people yet. It could arguably apply to the last month or two of pregnancy since they're mostly developed by then, but seeing as pregnancy causes pretty severe physical and psychological pain and/or harm even when going well that it could be seen as self-defense.

I have heard some argue with other Bible verses I do not know as well, and since I am not even Christian anyways I have not bothered to look into much else. The general consensus of people who could put together a decent argument was no, though.

What makes a fetus into a human exactly?

[Yuonela]

The Bible is not a document on which law should be based. So honestly, as an atheist, I couldn't give two shits about what is and isn't regulated in that book.

[Alyekra]

To whom are you referring?

The OP. I may be a center-right Catholic American but come on...

Well actually the OP's flaw is in assuming that legal = moral.

I hate to invoke Godwin, but Hitler's jewish concentration camps were technically legal.

[Faeggot]

The most direct translation of the "Thou shalt not kill" commandment was closer to "Thou shalt not murder". Murder being entirely different, as it is for no reason and it only applies to people. Fetuses aren't people yet. It could arguably apply to the last month or two of pregnancy since they're mostly developed by then, but seeing as pregnancy causes pretty severe physical and psychological pain and/or harm even when going well that it could be seen as self-defense.

I have heard some argue with other Bible verses I do not know as well, and since I am not even Christian anyways I have not bothered to look into much else. The general consensus of people who could put together a decent argument was no, though.

What makes a fetus into a human exactly?

I use "person" in the sense of general awareness and capacity to feel, not in genetic material. Late-term fetuses have brains developed enough to feel physical pain, and even babies can interact with their environment enough for most people to realize they're not brain-dead.

[Church of Thomas Hayden]

god kills embryos all the time. if he can, i can.

Isn't that the same reasoning you used to get out of having killed all the first born of the HOA Committee that time they fined you for weeds on your lawn?

[United Arcadia]

Thous shalt not kill. If you actually crack your Bibles open and read intently before spouting off you'd see that God says that murder is wrong. Life begins at conception therefore it is murder. Use your brains people

[The Multiversal Species Alliance]

Abortion is immoral because that person never had a chance at life, how ever, the death penalty is justifiable because the criminals had their chance and blew it.

a pro-lifer and a supporter of the death penalty? that is something you don't see everyday

Actually, many "Pro-Lifers" support the death penalty.

[The Multiversal Species Alliance]

"And when he hath made her to drink the water, then it shall come to pass, [that], if she be defiled, and have done trespass against her husband, that the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, [and become] bitter, and her belly shall swell, and her thigh shall rot: and the woman shall be a curse among her people." - Num 5:27

[Kronikta]

The one thing Yahweh despises the most I've observed is unjustifiable (just because "you felt like it") violence. From my own studies, it appears to me that the "Ten Commandments" are more accurately the "Ten Words" or "Ten Statements". They are stating the list of characteristics that someone (who is in a proper relationship with God) would have. For example, if you are in a proper relationship with God, you would not murder... It just wont even cross your mind. Same thing with thievery, adultery, idolatry, and so forth. As for abortion... You have to decide if it is actually murder or not, and beforehand have to decide if a fetus is in fact a human being or not. My personal belief is that life begins at conception and is the point in which God places a soul within that child, and the abortion of that unborn child would be the murder of an innocent.

[Yuonela]

Life begins at conception

They are not sentient at conception. Do you support meat eating?

[Ashmoria]

The most direct translation of the "Thou shalt not kill" commandment was closer to "Thou shalt not murder". Murder being entirely different, as it is for no reason and it only applies to people. Fetuses aren't people yet. It could arguably apply to the last month or two of pregnancy since they're mostly developed by then, but seeing as pregnancy causes pretty severe physical and psychological pain and/or harm even when going well that it could be seen as self-defense.

I have heard some argue with other Bible verses I do not know as well, and since I am not even Christian anyways I have not bothered to look into much else. The general consensus of people who could put together a decent argument was no, though.

What makes a fetus into a human exactly?

its not what makes it human, its what makes it a living person.

until a fetus can survive outside its mother, its not alive. it might become a person, it has a good chance to become a person but it isnt a person until it is born and can survive.

[Yuonela]

(who is in a proper relationship with God) would have. For example, if you are in a proper relationship with God

Not to nitpick, but in traditional Judaism, one is not meant to have a personal relationship with God.

[Church of Thomas Hayden]

Thous shalt not kill. If you actually crack your Bibles open and read intently before spouting off you'd see that God says that murder is wrong. Life begins at conception therefore it is murder. Use your brains people

In that case, I'm sorry I fertilized your caviar.

I guess I'll take them on weekends?

[Alyekra]

Life begins at conception

They are not sentient at conception. Do you support meat eating?

What's your opinion on this?

I fail at formatting BBC hnnnnggg

[Church of Thomas Hayden]

"And when he hath made her to drink the water, then it shall come to pass, [that], if she be defiled, and have done trespass against her husband, that the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, [and become] bitter, and her belly shall swell, and her thigh shall rot: and the woman shall be a curse among her people." - Num 5:27

I heard this is what Jules from Pulp Fiction said at his divorce hearing.

[United Arcadia]

Life begins at conception

They are not sentient at conception. Do you support meat eating?

That is a human being in its most basic form the instant of conception. Whether you like it or not. That is the beginning of life. Disgusting how casually today's society is willing to throw away human life.

[Faeggot]

Thous shalt not kill. If you actually crack your Bibles open and read intently before spouting off you'd see that God says that murder is wrong. Life begins at conception therefore it is murder. Use your brains people

I haven't read the thing in a while, but didn't God order at least one war where everything alive was to be killed? That sounds closer to "murder" than expelling something that isn't even aware and can often cause you serious health problems...

[Farnhamia]

They are not sentient at conception. Do you support meat eating?

That is a human being in its most basic form the instant of conception. Whether you like it or not. That is the beginning of life. Disgusting how casually today's society is willing to throw away human life.

It's none of your business what I do with my body or how I make my reproductive choices. It really isn't. I'll not tell you how to live your life, you return the favor and don't tell me how to live mine.

[Yuonela]

They are not sentient at conception. Do you support meat eating?

That is a human being in its most basic form the instant of conception. Whether you like it or not. That is the beginning of life. Disgusting how casually today's society is willing to throw away human life.

Fuck fetuses.

What is the woman is in danger of death?

[Ashmoria]

god kills embryos all the time. if he can, i can.

Isn't that the same reasoning you used to get out of having killed all the first born of the HOA Committee that time they fined you for weeds on your lawn?

hahahaha

HE NEEDED KILLING!

(how did he find out about that?)

[Yuonela]

That is a human being in its most basic form the instant of conception. Whether you like it or not. That is the beginning of life. Disgusting how casually today's society is willing to throw away human life.

It's none of your business what I do with my body or how I make my reproductive choices. It really isn't. I'll not tell you how to like your life, you return the favor and don't tell me how to live mine.

This^