Gillibrand - women in combat

[Ifreann]

the they like the pay part : mercenaries,scum really.And when they die they are treated like heroes (when they are in fact cold blooded murderers ).

The fuck are you talking about? You don't have to kill people to be in the military.

[Northern Dominus]

Clearly he's yet to meet a female fighter pilot. I've met and gotten to know a few from the Air Force and Navy. Dear god you want to talk about a tempered killer instinct...

Clearly he's never met a female. Ever.

Hell has no wrath like woman scorned.

Yeah well that's just blind fury, any human can do that. Fighter pilots have this rather unique focused form of fury, pinpoint accurate while still paying attention to every other damn thing going on around them.

[Norstal]

the they like the pay part : mercenaries,scum really.And when they die they are treated like heroes (when they are in fact cold blooded murderers ).
also,supporting wars that don't affect you is,in my eyes at least,stupid. I mean i can understand wars for helping suppressed populations but I think those should be swift (like : bomb the government,their supporters etc fast,install new government,leave )

I see you came from the 1940s. May we welcome you to the 21st century? Because that's not all what the military does.

[Buama]

the they like the pay part : mercenaries,scum really.And when they die they are treated like heroes (when they are in fact cold blooded murderers ).

The fuck are you talking about? You don't have to kill people to be in the military.

You don't necessarily need to kill people to be a murderer although it depends on your view on the degree to which being complicit impacts things.

[Ifreann]

The fuck are you talking about? You don't have to kill people to be in the military.

You don't necessarily need to kill people to be a murderer although it depends on your view on the degree to which being complicit impacts things.

That reminds me: Killing someone is only murder if it's illegal and done with malice aforethought(or something along those lines). Killing an enemy soldier in a war, killing while defending yourself, killing by accident. These things aren't murder.

[Romania Mare1]

the they like the pay part : mercenaries,scum really.And when they die they are treated like heroes (when they are in fact cold blooded murderers ).
also,supporting wars that don't affect you is,in my eyes at least,stupid. I mean i can understand wars for helping suppressed populations but I think those should be swift (like : bomb the government,their supporters etc fast,install new government,leave )

I see you came from the 1940s. May we welcome you to the 21st century? Because that's not all what the military does.

the main thing the military is supposed to do is look powerful and kill
For other things you can create different support groups.

[Romania Mare1]

You don't necessarily need to kill people to be a murderer although it depends on your view on the degree to which being complicit impacts things.

That reminds me: Killing someone is only murder if it's illegal and done with malice aforethought(or something along those lines). Killing an enemy soldier in a war, killing while defending yourself, killing by accident. These things aren't murder.

actually,it seems like justified murder/killing

[Ifreann]

I see you came from the 1940s. May we welcome you to the 21st century? Because that's not all what the military does.

the main thing the military is supposed to do is look powerful and kill
For other things you can create different support groups.

Speak for yourself, our military doesn't need to look powerful or kill.

[Romania Mare1]

the main thing the military is supposed to do is look powerful and kill
For other things you can create different support groups.

Speak for yourself, our military doesn't need to look powerful or kill.

then what does it do exactly ?

[Buama]

That reminds me

Lay v. Legal terminology. It's pretty clearly the former being set forth by the poster.

[Ifreann]

That reminds me: Killing someone is only murder if it's illegal and done with malice aforethought(or something along those lines). Killing an enemy soldier in a war, killing while defending yourself, killing by accident. These things aren't murder.

actually,it seems like justified murder/killing

That's simply wrong. Murder is intentional, illegal killing. The exact wording of the laws will vary from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, but that's what murder is. Deal with it.

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Speak for yourself, our military doesn't need to look powerful or kill.

then what does it do exactly ?

• Preparation for the defence of the state against armed attack.
• Assisting the Garda Síochána (police force), including the protection of the internal security of the state.
• Peace-keeping, crisis management and humanitarian relief operations in support of the United Nations.
• Policing the fisheries, in accordance with the state's obligations under European Union agreements.
• Miscellaneous civil contingency duties requested by the Government such as search and rescue, air ambulance provision, providing secure air transport for ministers, assistance in the event of natural and other disasters, ensuring the maintenance of essential services, and assisting in dealing with oil pollution at sea.

[Ifreann]

That reminds me

Lay v. Legal terminology. It's pretty clearly the former being set forth by the poster.

Calling something other than intentional, illegal killing 'murder' is just hyperbole.

[Tekania]

I see you came from the 1940s. May we welcome you to the 21st century? Because that's not all what the military does.

the main thing the military is supposed to do is look powerful and kill
For other things you can create different support groups.

In my service we tried to stay invisible and kill.

[Buama]

Lay v. Legal terminology. It's pretty clearly the former being set forth by the poster.

Calling something other than intentional, illegal killing 'murder' is just hyperbole.

On what basis?

[Romania Mare1]

actually,it seems like justified murder/killing

That's simply wrong. Murder is intentional, illegal killing. The exact wording of the laws will vary from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, but that's what murder is. Deal with it.

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then what does it do exactly ?

• Preparation for the defence of the state against armed attack.
• Assisting the Garda Síochána (police force), including the protection of the internal security of the state.
• Peace-keeping, crisis management and humanitarian relief operations in support of the United Nations.
• Policing the fisheries, in accordance with the state's obligations under European Union agreements.
• Miscellaneous civil contingency duties requested by the Government such as search and rescue, air ambulance provision, providing secure air transport for ministers, assistance in the event of natural and other disasters, ensuring the maintenance of essential services, and assisting in dealing with oil pollution at sea.

those actually seem ok albeit I am not sure about the peace keeping part. Anyway,I may have been wrong but I always saw the military as ''the kill machine'' and never understood why anyone would want to go overseas and fight in wars and stuff (i still don't get that part ). To do it for money is low.
But the other stuff is 100% ok

[Romania Mare1]

the main thing the military is supposed to do is look powerful and kill
For other things you can create different support groups.

In my service we tried to stay invisible and kill.

disgusting

[Ifreann]

Calling something other than intentional, illegal killing 'murder' is just hyperbole.

On what basis?

The basis that that's what murder is.

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That's simply wrong. Murder is intentional, illegal killing. The exact wording of the laws will vary from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, but that's what murder is. Deal with it.

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• Preparation for the defence of the state against armed attack.
• Assisting the Garda Síochána (police force), including the protection of the internal security of the state.
• Peace-keeping, crisis management and humanitarian relief operations in support of the United Nations.
• Policing the fisheries, in accordance with the state's obligations under European Union agreements.
• Miscellaneous civil contingency duties requested by the Government such as search and rescue, air ambulance provision, providing secure air transport for ministers, assistance in the event of natural and other disasters, ensuring the maintenance of essential services, and assisting in dealing with oil pollution at sea.

those actually seem ok albeit I am not sure about the peace keeping part. Anyway,I may have been wrong but I always saw the military as ''the kill machine'' and never understood why anyone would want to go overseas and fight in wars and stuff (i still don't get that part ).

There's this whole peace thing we've got going on. Being in the military doesn't always mean going to war.

[Romania Mare1]

There's this whole peace thing we've got going on. Being in the military doesn't always mean going to war.

I know that,but you are trained to be ready for that shit. Anyway,I am against a big,strong military (mainly because it eats resources to be honest ),not against smaller,make sure criminals don't run wild types of military.

[Poorisolation]

There's this whole peace thing we've got going on. Being in the military doesn't always mean going to war.

I know that,but you are trained to be ready for that shit. Anyway,I am against a big,strong military (mainly because it eats resources to be honest ),not against smaller,make sure criminals don't run wild types of military.

How do you tell the difference? After all the most successful criminals tend to end up running countries and countries can support armies and air forces and navies of their own so before long you find yourself either being invaded and needing to spend more on the military budget or needing to spend more on the military budget not to be invaded.

Yes there is such a thing as over prepared but given the lead time required to create a useful military force I rather suspect you are underestimating the size of the forces required just to preserve the peace.

[Romania Mare1]

I know that,but you are trained to be ready for that shit. Anyway,I am against a big,strong military (mainly because it eats resources to be honest ),not against smaller,make sure criminals don't run wild types of military.

How do you tell the difference? After all the most successful criminals tend to end up running countries and countries can support armies and air forces and navies of their own so before long you find yourself either being invaded and needing to spend more on the military budget or needing to spend more on the military budget not to be invaded.

Yes there is such a thing as over prepared but given the lead time required to create a useful military force I rather suspect you are underestimating the size of the forces required just to preserve the peace.

in such a case I get all over the morality part and support military action but not only against the government but against any and all targets of importance (civilian or not ) albeit i think it would be actually better to just supply arms to the population and let them die trying to stop the violent regime.
Anyway,in the way i see the world such regimes should come to a quick end. I am against military personnel but I said nothing about a few rockets.I mean how hard can it be to blast a few buildings,kill the chiefs,support a coup,go home and sleep ?

[The Corparation]

How do you tell the difference? After all the most successful criminals tend to end up running countries and countries can support armies and air forces and navies of their own so before long you find yourself either being invaded and needing to spend more on the military budget or needing to spend more on the military budget not to be invaded.

Yes there is such a thing as over prepared but given the lead time required to create a useful military force I rather suspect you are underestimating the size of the forces required just to preserve the peace.

in such a case I get all over the morality part and support military action but not only against the government but against any and all targets of importance (civilian or not ) albeit i think it would be actually better to just supply arms to the population and let them die trying to stop the violent regime.
Anyway,in the way i see the world such regimes should come to a quick end. I am against military personnel but I said nothing about a few rockets.I mean how hard can it be to blast a few buildings,kill the chiefs,support a coup,go home and sleep ?

Because somebody has to fire those rockets and maintain those rockets. And there's more to war then just chucking out the old government of the nation you invaded.

[Condominiums]

Yes, because clearly that impacted Kim Campbell's ability to land an A-10 with no landing gear.

And that compromised this woman's supreme ability:
http://www.f-16.net/news_article2987.html

Such a waste of talent, putting her into the cockpit of an F-22. That alone will prevent her from deploying.

[Northern Dominus]

And that compromised this woman's supreme ability:
http://www.f-16.net/news_article2987.html

Such a waste of talent, putting her into the cockpit of an F-22. That alone will prevent her from deploying.

Better than putting her in the cockpit of an F-35, then she'd never get off of the ground
Plus she was an F-15 driver before moving over to the F-22, and considering the problems the Raptor has been having, she'll deploy one way or another.

[Tekania]

In my service we tried to stay invisible and kill.

disgusting

Don't see what's inherently disgusting about that.

[Northern Dominus]

disgusting

Don't see what's inherently disgusting about that.

I would make another hot-bunking joke here but I'm equally confused. Personally I'd be all for the Coast Guard getting leftover Los Angeles class subs from the Navy, would certainly give the drug runners from Columbia and Mexico a lot to think about.